Crude oil to natural gas boiler (without space elements)

[OxCD]

8 hours ago, Lifegrow said:

Again, it's utter nonsense. Regularly we've posed questions to the devs on twitch, and regularly they get answered by someone who *thinks* they know the answer, and respond with any old answer to appease twitch chat. 9 times out of 10 it's wrong, misleading or *subject to change*.

Just like when we were told "nobody knows how voids were added to the game" or "morbs will totally be ranch-able in the future" or "yeah, we've totally fixed (insert any ancient bug here)".These are just farcical things that get fed to twitch chat by people who are already out of their comfort zone.

Basing your facts off a vod that you can't find, from a stream you don't remember, at a time you can't recall is not exactly citing your source.

I'm aware, doesn't change a thing. If enough people told you the earth was made of biscuit, would you believe them?

Ok let say you stay on your opinion, and I stay on mine

I've never pretended beeing able to cite any source, as I don't even know if any record exist. No need to be harsh.

I may be wrong after all, maybe I've misunderstood the info, or maybe my memory is pulling my strings.

And, basically, I was agreeing with your point view, about guidelines & setup personality. See my own oil-to-NG, I've many personal guidelines, including avoiding many exploits/glitchs/bugs/radish/sweet potato/rainbow trout. I even quoted your oil-to-NG boiler as one of my main inspiration, as it was already similar to my guidelines.

[Lifegrow]

6 hours ago, OxCD said:

Ok let say you stay on your opinion, and I stay on mine

I've never pretended beeing able to cite any source, as I don't even know if any record exist. No need to be harsh.

I may be wrong after all, maybe I've misunderstood the info, or maybe my memory is pulling my strings.

And, basically, I was agreeing with your point view, about guidelines & setup personality. See my own oil-to-NG, I've many personal guidelines, including avoiding many exploits/glitchs/bugs/radish/sweet potato/rainbow trout. I even quoted your oil-to-NG boiler as one of my main inspiration, as it was already similar to my guidelines.

Hey let's be clear here, we have no forced reason to agree, this is a FORUM - people often forget where that word originates from : "a meeting or medium where ideas and views on a particular issue can be exchanged."

I wasn't being harsh, I was being straight with you and explaining my point. I don't see anywhere where I was harsh with you, I provided an absurd analogy for comedic effect, but other than that I don't feel I was violent/mean towards you. Harsh would be "You're an idiot, now get out!" with no further explanation/expansion/justification  I'm British, we don't mince words for fear of unnecessary over-sensitivity. 

The main difference between my views and a lot of peoples views around here is that i'm willing to have mine changed by opposing facts. Had you come back with an official stance from Klei, i'd have been forced to eat my words and do a 180 on my stance. Knowing that this doesn't exist, I decided to share with you my opinions.

Disregard them if you want, that's entirely your choice/right. Me personally, I prefer to be informed and not go around spreading other peoples nonsense - I think we could do with more of that in the world right now.

 

[Gouflax]

I tried to work on a new concept. It's not very efficient (1100 kJ used for 1630 kJ generate), but I share it here. I tried to don't use the 1kg bucket trick.

On the left part, the boiler have a system to allow the crude oil to get out when it is at the good temperature to don't break the pipes.

On the center part, the 6 top chambers are cooled by the thermo-aquatuner (with ethanol) at -100°C (and the 2 bottom chambers at 0°C).
The methane is heated by the sour gas before enter the final cold chamber, and then, I use the natural gas and the sulfur to create some "cold tanks", to refresh the left rooms when they are too hot.

I was thinking about a system where there'd be an exchange between the 2 chambers when the left room is hotter than the right room, no matter the temperature, but I don't see how it could work.
Do you have any ideas ?

 

[Kutuluk]

 

Net production ~400 g/s Natural gas at 1 kg/s oil flow. Prototype.

[OxCD]

44 minutes ago, Kutuluk said:

 

Net production ~400 g/s Natural gas at 1 kg/s oil flow. Prototype.

Why don't you create your own topic please ? Instead of posting a cooker in each topic that is already talking about that.

To keep things clear.

And add details, otherwise posting means nothing as we don't even know what you're doing and how.

[Kutuluk]

1 hour ago, OxCD said:

Why don't you create your own topic please ? Instead of posting a cooker in each topic that is already talking about that.

To keep things clear.

And add details, otherwise posting means nothing as we don't even know what you're doing and how.

 

I show the appearance of my working circuits to give the authors food for thought. Perhaps this will give them new ideas. My English does not allow me to create my own topic, unfortunately =)

I can make a save with this scheme if anyone is interested.

 

[Gouflax]

@Kutuluk Thank you for your setup. But like OxCD said, with just a picture it's hard to understand how it work.

Can you show us the gas/liquid pipes views ?

[Kutuluk]

4 hours ago, Gouflax said:

@Kutuluk Thank you for your setup. But like OxCD said, with just a picture it's hard to understand how it work.

Can you show us the gas/liquid pipes views ?

I made a save with this setup.

The Galactic Dump.sav

[Kutuluk]

I polished the assembly, now it is self-powered. The production is 666 g/s of natural gas, the consumption is maximum 90 * 3 = 270. The total net output is at least 400 g/s.

The Galactic Dump.sav

[Gouflax]

Here is a new setup (i'm pretty happy about this one ) it's a 670 g/s build, without the 1kg bucket trick.

Like before, I use the "cold tanks" concept from the last one, and use the bottom "tank" to balance the temperature at the bottom of the boiler.
At the end, the crude oil is at 385°C, with a debit of 1500g/s.
With this system, there is a security output, that momentally stop the cooking procress to regulate the temperature.

The setup use 1500 kJ, and generate 3600 kJ.
The remaining problem about this setup is the crude oil that quit the setup by the security output. I can't reput it into the boiler, because the temperature balance would be broke.



 

[Gouflax]

Hi,

I worked on a new setup (1 kg/s of NG). It have a more simple architecture, with better thermical transferts, and a better heat save.

- Instead of ethanol, i use polluted water with the thermo-aquatuner.
- Instead of having the sulfur on rails, i stuck it in an automated door.
- Instead of putting the crude oil at 385°C in the boiler, I use a little room to transform it into petroleum with the heat of the sour gas. Before enter the boiler, the petroleum is at 440°C.

Electricity consumed : 2300 kJ
Electricity produced : 5600 kJ
==> Efficiency : 59%

I was wondering if compared to boilers with super-coolant, this king of boiler would be a waste or not.
What kind of electricity efficiency have a boiler with super-coolant ?

[Gouflax]

Hello everyone.

I share here a new setup (i think it will be my last one).

I managed to have the boiler and the generators in one block. All you need is to plug a heavy watt wire, one crude oil input, and one polluted water output.
It's designed to produce fuel for 5 generators. It's low, but in this configuration, I can have 5 thermoregulators and only 1 thermoaquatuner to cool all the system, and the gererators room is small enough to have the power control station bonus.

The setup use a few crude oil (675g/s), and have a good heat save (before it transform into sour gas, the petroleum is at 515/520°C).

Electricity datas :

Without power control station bonus :
Produced :2664 kJ
Consumed : 1320 kJ
Efficiency : 50.4%

With power control station bonus :
Produced :3868 kJ
Consumed : 1320 kJ
Efficiency : 65.9%

Here is the save file.Essai 147.sav

[Gouflax]

Hello,

I thinked I worked enough on sour gaz boilers, but someday you got a new idea and ... you know what it is...

This one is a 1 kg/s setup. The dimensions are 29x19.



The main problem I meet in my previous setup was the capacity of the TA+polluted water to cool the sour gas. Using the petroleum and the crude oil to cool it before the TA wasn't enough.

So before the TA loop, I use a 2^nd turbine. With this solution, the sour gas is cold enough to be managed by the TA.

The crude oil input is at 1493 g/s.
Before transform into sour gas, the petroleum is at 430/440 °C, after received the heat of the sour gas.



I also use separated metal tiles on the sour gas / NG exchange section, instead of one big metal square.

The first portion of metal tiles is replaced by an automated door where the sulfur is stocked. With the mass effect of the sulfur, the thermical exchange in this section always tend on the cold side.

 

 

Finally, the sour gas arrive on the chamber colded by 6 TRs. The heat of the TA, TRs and transformers is managed by one turbine.

This setup is stable, and you can stop and restart it whenever you want.

You can loop the setup with one oil well to have an autonomous ecosystem. You just need sand for the water sieve and one dupe to unleach the oil well pressure.

This loop have an electrical efficiency of 53%.
Without the oil well loop (boiler only), you have an efficiency of 62%.

Here is the file (the boiler is at the bottom of the asteroid).

NG 23.sav
 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[furytale]

Here is mine, 450g/s nat gas.