Gestalt Abigail lost AoE with Attack At

Gestalt Abigail does not have AOE. That was a bug.

Gestalt Abigail is different. She's not meant to be better in all situation. The situations she good are meant to just be different that regular Abigail. 

Changed Status to Closed

Jason, she was already worse in many situations including dealing with multiple mobs and bosses with ads. She doesn’t need to be useful in every situation but this change/fix solidifies Gestalt Abby as significantly less versatile than regular form.

Edited January 29, 2025 by JazzyGames

To be fair, there is something weird I'd like to point out.

Currently, Abigail's "Attack At" command has her get the "noattack" tag at the start and end of the dash, not only this is weird because it makes enemies randomly drop aggro even if she just hit them (randomly as in, it depends on when their targeting updates), it's also just weird for that attack to have it at all.

Why not remove this to remove that weird inconsistent mechanic from it, and address another issue:

Gestalt Abigail has no i-frames when attacking, which is normally the case for gestalt attacks (they use the "noattack" tag, but it makes sense for them).

Giving her invulnerability (not the "noattack" tag, you don't want aggro to be dropped mid attack, alternatively, use another tag that doesn't drop aggro but prevents hits, could do the same for the Attack At command if you insist on keeping that) could make her have a bit more of a go at dealing damage one enemy at a time, and against bosses, provided she attacks as the same time as them, as her rest "stun" at the end of the attack will still keep her vulnerable.

It might be too much, but given that she completely loses aoe as gestalt now, it might make her good enough at her specific niche. You'd still have to deal with her end lag after she attacks, and her flee behavior when below 25% health.

2 hours ago, JazzyGames said:

Jason, she was already worse in many situations including dealing with multiple mobs and bosses with ads. She doesn’t need to be useful in every situation but this change/fix solidifies Gestalt Abby as significantly less versatile than regular form.

Yes, Gestalt Abigail is less versatile. She's got a different strength. There is quite a commitment to choosing to have Gestalt Abigail active, because of that There's going to be a change to how you toggle Gestalt Abigail so the window is more forgiving. 
 

2 hours ago, hoxi said:

To be fair, there is something weird I'd like to point out.

We are thinking about some changes on this stuff.

Gestalt abigail does absolutely no damage with "Attack At". I can live with her losing aoe on it, but the skill is worthless as is.

Sorry, late to reply here. The attack at command also sets her target to the closest enemy at the point you tell her to go.

So you can set Gestalt Abigail's target with it.

And you are probably not going to use just Gestalt Abigail, so when she's in regular form, the AOE damage will still apply. 

13 hours ago, Jason said:

Sorry, late to reply here. The attack at command also sets her target to the closest enemy at the point you tell her to go.

So you can set Gestalt Abigail's target with it.

And you are probably not going to use just Gestalt Abigail, so when she's in regular form, the AOE damage will still apply. 

One of my favorite uses of "attack at" has become killing birds at dusk or with nightshade nostrum, even if the bird flies away sometimes, as it circumvents wendy being unable to kill them with a boomerang. I dont see the need to have aoe for this to work or why gestalt cant do single target damage to the enemy she would target otherwise.

Its extremely situational to attack at with gestalt since attacking  as Wendy will set her agro much easier and I cant imagine many fights I would use it where I want specifically gestalt abby to focus a different enemy than myself unless it lets her target something untargetable like rictus. Ive relied on normal abbys aoe to reveal rictus, so yet another gestalt L if it cant.

Also if Im going gestalt over shadow ideally I want to try to use gestalt in as many situations as possible -- reverting for cases like bee queen or spiders were aoe is simply indispensable.

 

Edited February 6, 2025 by Ridepod