SOLUTION for Newbies wasting water and gas.

[lord_of_mangoes]

Why not make a change where you start with small pumps and small pipes that pump and transport max 1 kg of liquid or 100 grams of gas and thus don't waste water and gas simply because you don't think as a newbie that this will be an issue. It took me way too long to figure out that current pipes and pumps are just wasting water and gas without any notifications. Most machines take in f.e 1 kg water per second but because you send 10 kg in a second through pipes then 9 kg that aren't used just disappears. It is pretty much impossible to notice it when you don't know it before hand.

After you have unlocked more techs you should be able to build bigger pipes and pumps and thus make your pipelines cleaner looking and easier to manage. Bigger pumps would be also more energy effecient. For most machines you would still need small pipes as input and/or output and for connecting smaller pipelines with bigger main pipeline you need to use valve or something like that (but unlike current valve it would automatically but 100g gas or 1kg liquid into small pipeline and send rest back to the main pipeline..

This solution would be much much easier to understand than currently and it wouldn't pray on newbies who just aren't aware of wastefulness of pipes..

What you guys think??

[Masterpintsman]

How about just fixing the bugs which lead to matter vanishing inside the plumbings?

Has to be done anyway (preferably quickly as it isn't fun for anyone except those that use it to destroy unwanted gas) and makes your suggestion obsolete.

[Jomdorr]

please for the love of god make pump able to choose how much they suck up or add ones that pump different amounts like suggested

[lord_of_mangoes]

2 hours ago, Jomdorr said:

please for the love of god make pump able to choose how much they suck up or add ones that pump different amounts like suggested

Thank you for supporting this idea

9 hours ago, Masterpintsman said:

How about just fixing the bugs which lead to matter vanishing inside the plumbings?

Has to be done anyway (preferably quickly as it isn't fun for anyone except those that use it to destroy unwanted gas) and makes your suggestion obsolete.

That is not the only reason why suggested it. My suggestion would make piping and pumping water/gas scalable and quite realistic. In reality you wouldn't have endless walls of pipes but instead you have one big pipe as a mainline and smaller pipes that just feed from it. Having a possibility to upgrade 1kg/s pipeline into 10kg/s pipeline meens that you don't have to bury 10 lines of pipes into the walls but instead only 1 thus making managing your whole piping system and decorating you station easier. Also it could give better reason for using machines like valve that currently are used for leviating hidden penalty that most starting players aren't made aware of. I think that having a need for valve is quite interesting and that is why I wouldn't want to just get rid of those machines..

[Masterpintsman]

I think a 1kg/s pipe would be quite useless as it could only feed one single object and would just clutter the menu.
A pipe able to transfer 50kg/s (or more) to be used as a central backbone on the other hand...

But in the end the current ones seem to be enough, should the plumbing get fixed so that the matter put into them also comes out on the other side and buildings actually use their internal stockpile instead of waiting for the next resource packet.

Ceterum censeo bugs involving loss of resources mass like pumps, plumbing, water going downhill by steps, airlock doors in a row and so on should be attended with priority as affecting fundamental aspects of the game.

[lord_of_mangoes]

Leading 10kg water into a machine that only need 1kg is just stupid and I don't think that water getting wasted by that is necessarily a bug. 1kg pipes  would be thus much more logical (especially when all machines won't use 10kg per second). Like I said before 1kg pipes are not meant as main pipeline but most cases as pipes that feed from main pipeline into machines..

[Kael_Rus]

I'm on board with this idea. But isn't this what the valves are for already?

[lord_of_mangoes]

7 hours ago, Kael_Rus said:

I'm on board with this idea. But isn't this what the valves are for already?

Currently there are 2 problems with current system. 1) There is almost no clear indicator that machines are wasting water/gas and 2) valves are way too late tech and thus even when player manages to discover it (good luck doing that), it takes way too long to solve this problem and before that he/she has no way to combat machines wasting water/gas. My solution would solve both of those problems..

1) Having 1kg water pipe and 10kg pipeline makes it clear that machines don't need 10kg water per second and doing so is wasteful. You can make it even more clearer by limiting which kind of pipes you can use as input or output. F.e Blue input could shows that you can only connect it with 1kg pipe.

2) 1kg pipe option makes it possible to actually deal with this issue early on and thus you won't run out of water or gas way too quickly. 10kg pipes could be then used for more cost efficient machines. In that case valve could very well stay as late game tech..

[Kael_Rus]

You mean you don't have a dedicated researcher to get all the current research done before cycle 30?

 

Edit: and sometimes even cycle 20 if I start with a good one.

[lord_of_mangoes]

22 minutes ago, Kael_Rus said:

You mean you don't have a dedicated researcher to get all the current research done before cycle 30?

 

Edit: and sometimes even cycle 20 if I start with a good one.

I bet that reasearching is meant to be more longer than it is now.. Yes.. at the moment it is isn't massive problem but still. Most new players won't even discover this issue because it is way too hidden. Good luck finding a player who would actually start to check how many kg of water are going through pipes and in what rate. Most players probably won't think that this is a problem and thus will run out of water without even knowing why. As far as game design goes this just horrendously bad..