Your Chester Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 In terms of movement speed and health points, the Robot completely outperforms Wigfrid. The total damage dealt by the Moon-aligned doppelgänger surpasses that of the combat-focused character Wigfrid, and the damage multiplier of the Shadow-aligned build is fully on par with Wigfrid’s. What’s more, its 21 circuit slots make it far stronger than the old version of the Robot. The Robot is overwhelmingly overpowered right now. The skill tree’s low-cost quick resurrection and low-cost map teleportation abilities are also ridiculously strong. Its alignment mechanics and thoughtful design completely outshine the skill trees of both Wigfrid and Wendy. As an all-round powerhouse boasting great movement speed, quality-of-life perks, and top-tier combat capability, the Robot’s skill tree should be balanced to the mediocre standard set by Wigfrid and Wendy’s skill trees. The current skill tree of the Robot is still far too broken. Either set a unified balance standard—make all meta strong characters get garbage skill trees—or completely rework Wendy and Wigfrid’s skill trees. Treat every character fairly and with proper design effort, don’t take players for fools. Wigfrid has more than half of her skill points going into totally useless perks, and her skill tree only has 23 skills—the smallest roster out of all character skill trees. Most of her bonuses only add trivial, completely negligible perks that barely matter at all. 4 1 Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/171184-any-overpowered-character-ought-to-be-designed-to-the-same-trash-skill-tree-level-as-wigfrid-and-wendy/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
YouKnowWho142 Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 Dude, just stop. 23 1 Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/171184-any-overpowered-character-ought-to-be-designed-to-the-same-trash-skill-tree-level-as-wigfrid-and-wendy/#findComment-1864501 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waywarbler Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 8 minutes ago, Your Chester said: Its alignment mechanics and thoughtful design completely outshine the skill trees of both Wigfrid and Wendy. What suggestions do you have for WX-78's alignment skills? I'm curious. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/171184-any-overpowered-character-ought-to-be-designed-to-the-same-trash-skill-tree-level-as-wigfrid-and-wendy/#findComment-1864502 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WendyHater9000 Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 (edited) Ugh you mean spending like 5-6day to prepare chassis to deal higher dmg than Wigfrid is too op? Then you must have not heard a character called Winona And yah Wigfrid skill tree sux I agree about that Edited April 26 by WendyHater9000 3 Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/171184-any-overpowered-character-ought-to-be-designed-to-the-same-trash-skill-tree-level-as-wigfrid-and-wendy/#findComment-1864522 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord-King-Bear Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 We get that your mad about wig. Honestly tho Wx takes away a lot of the challenge of the game. Just got enlightened crown and it doesn’t even matter to him I already have infinite light now desire to run toad for lights. 1 Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/171184-any-overpowered-character-ought-to-be-designed-to-the-same-trash-skill-tree-level-as-wigfrid-and-wendy/#findComment-1864524 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cassielu Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 (edited) This sounds like an act of retaliation against society to me. All they need is a basic and weak skill tree like Wilson's. The deliberately frustrating designs like those of Wig and Wendy should not exist more. Edited April 26 by Cassielu 2 Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/171184-any-overpowered-character-ought-to-be-designed-to-the-same-trash-skill-tree-level-as-wigfrid-and-wendy/#findComment-1864528 Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaurun Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 (edited) 3 hours ago, Your Chester said: In terms of movement speed and health points, the Robot completely outperforms Wigfrid. The total damage dealt by the Moon-aligned doppelgänger surpasses that of the combat-focused character Wigfrid, and the damage multiplier of the Shadow-aligned build is fully on par with Wigfrid’s. What’s more, its 21 circuit slots make it far stronger than the old version of the Robot. The Robot is overwhelmingly overpowered right now. The skill tree’s low-cost quick resurrection and low-cost map teleportation abilities are also ridiculously strong. Its alignment mechanics and thoughtful design completely outshine the skill trees of both Wigfrid and Wendy. As an all-round powerhouse boasting great movement speed, quality-of-life perks, and top-tier combat capability, the Robot’s skill tree should be balanced to the mediocre standard set by Wigfrid and Wendy’s skill trees. The current skill tree of the Robot is still far too broken. Either set a unified balance standard—make all meta strong characters get garbage skill trees—or completely rework Wendy and Wigfrid’s skill trees. Treat every character fairly and with proper design effort, don’t take players for fools. Wigfrid has more than half of her skill points going into totally useless perks, and her skill tree only has 23 skills—the smallest roster out of all character skill trees. Most of her bonuses only add trivial, completely negligible perks that barely matter at all. Actually robot needs more time to setup than Wigfrid or Wendy. Wigfrid has damage boost, vampiric capabilities, cheap armor, shield, easy beefalo taming for speed - allearly on. She recieves AoE at later stages in the game + her songs require time to craft but overall she has an easy start. Wendy is kinda same, she had AoE out of pocket and some quality of life potions are boring but easily amassed. Yes I agree their skill trees are somewhat weaker than for example Walter, Wortox, or Willow. But this part Klei will surely address. Why you won't complain about Wilson actually? He has least powefrul skill tree, and Wolfgang has the most boring one. Anyway, WX reaches his power slowly cause they've nerfed how fast you get your circuits (e.g. nightvision requires also scanning a firefly and traveling to caves for lightbulbs at least besides just catching a mole). AoE is locked behind spring. QoL inventory circuit is locked kinda same way as elden spear for Wigfrid. You spend early game just gathering bio-data/scanning diffferent creatures for circuits with low stats and water vulnerability so early game feels like you're worse than Wilson. Only after visiting the ruins probably it start to feel better but not because of skill tree - just because you have gears now and probably vision/speed curcuits, which actually is quite same as it was. Now you need to spend your resources to setup these chassises (and you want to visit specific places to place them wise), add proper circuits to each, have food for each, have resources for each, have weapons and armor for each. Of course such upkeep which is really long would feel much better if you can transport resources and explore map not only by foot. I don't know if you tried to play as WX but early game he is really slow poor guy which requires expirience in the game. Skill tree actually made him a bit worse than it was early game. While late game he extremely shines. And this is about playstyle and goals. If you plan to run long-term world, he is cool. If you plan to do a boss rush, take Wolfgang/Willow. If you join public server and want to encourage everyone to fight - pick Wigfried. If you want to show everyone who is real spider queen on public server - pick Wendy. I mean, everyone agrees there's disbalance in skill trees, but Klei recognizes it already, so please be patient. I don't think Klei initially had in mind what they'll do with every character skills so each new skill tree is kinda a response for community reactions/expectations, so I think their best approach for now would be to finish all characters skill trees to than make proper comparisons and reworks. They've decided reworks has more priority than other characters skill trees - okay for me, I think you should be happy because it means the issues with Wigfried and Wendy will be addressed sooner. No need to harass robot, they understand and share your pain. Edited April 26 by shaurun 4 Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/171184-any-overpowered-character-ought-to-be-designed-to-the-same-trash-skill-tree-level-as-wigfrid-and-wendy/#findComment-1864535 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jakepeng99 Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 It’s the Wigfrid guy. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/171184-any-overpowered-character-ought-to-be-designed-to-the-same-trash-skill-tree-level-as-wigfrid-and-wendy/#findComment-1864608 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reddddd Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 15 hours ago, Your Chester said: In terms of movement speed and health points, the Robot completely outperforms Wigfrid. The total damage dealt by the Moon-aligned doppelgänger surpasses that of the combat-focused character Wigfrid, and the damage multiplier of the Shadow-aligned build is fully on par with Wigfrid’s. What’s more, its 21 circuit slots make it far stronger than the old version of the Robot. The Robot is overwhelmingly overpowered right now. The skill tree’s low-cost quick resurrection and low-cost map teleportation abilities are also ridiculously strong. Its alignment mechanics and thoughtful design completely outshine the skill trees of both Wigfrid and Wendy. As an all-round powerhouse boasting great movement speed, quality-of-life perks, and top-tier combat capability, the Robot’s skill tree should be balanced to the mediocre standard set by Wigfrid and Wendy’s skill trees. The current skill tree of the Robot is still far too broken. Either set a unified balance standard—make all meta strong characters get garbage skill trees—or completely rework Wendy and Wigfrid’s skill trees. Treat every character fairly and with proper design effort, don’t take players for fools. Wigfrid has more than half of her skill points going into totally useless perks, and her skill tree only has 23 skills—the smallest roster out of all character skill trees. Most of her bonuses only add trivial, completely negligible perks that barely matter at all. I agree that wx needs nerfs but he inst overwhelmingly op lol? He is definetly unbalanced at this point - making so that other characters feel less relevant (like wigfrid and wendy) but that doesnt mean he outshines wigfrid in every aspect or that i'd rather use wx-78 instead of wendy, cause wendy skill tree is definetly co-op oriented, as is wendy. Wx skill tree seems to be focused specifically on his solo survivability which makes him such an strong all rounder, but not the strongest all rounder. Slight nerfs and tweaks are required on the overall utility but not in the sense that he should be nerfed to oblivion when there is still time to just REWORK his skill tree and make so it feels more punishing to plug and unplug circuits and more challenging to unlock chassis and circuits. Right now chassis are the easiest craft so far and circuits are all unlockable pretty early on, which makes him a very fast paced survivor while also making him too clutch and "chairwheel" in a sense. If to negate darkness you needed an more specific mob and to craft you needed an specific resource thats more rare than just an boring hunt for scanneable mobs. This is a WX-78 beta branch discussion, not wendy or wigfrid, if you have a suggestion for them go suggest them, dont clog the beta branch feedback with wendy and wigfrid complaints. 2 Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/171184-any-overpowered-character-ought-to-be-designed-to-the-same-trash-skill-tree-level-as-wigfrid-and-wendy/#findComment-1864624 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarrec Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 They already said they're going to go back to look at older skill tree people also forget skill tree are suppose to be for both new and old players not just players with hundreds of hours in the game personally I dont see the problem with wigfrids tree her problem is her half her songs are terrible with long start and short duration thats all they really need to fix on her 1 Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/171184-any-overpowered-character-ought-to-be-designed-to-the-same-trash-skill-tree-level-as-wigfrid-and-wendy/#findComment-1864627 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reddddd Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 12 hours ago, shaurun said: Actually robot needs more time to setup than Wigfrid or Wendy. Wigfrid has damage boost, vampiric capabilities, cheap armor, shield, easy beefalo taming for speed - allearly on. She recieves AoE at later stages in the game + her songs require time to craft but overall she has an easy start. Wendy is kinda same, she had AoE out of pocket and some quality of life potions are boring but easily amassed. Yes I agree their skill trees are somewhat weaker than for example Walter, Wortox, or Willow. But this part Klei will surely address. Why you won't complain about Wilson actually? He has least powefrul skill tree, and Wolfgang has the most boring one. Anyway, WX reaches his power slowly cause they've nerfed how fast you get your circuits (e.g. nightvision requires also scanning a firefly and traveling to caves for lightbulbs at least besides just catching a mole). AoE is locked behind spring. QoL inventory circuit is locked kinda same way as elden spear for Wigfrid. You spend early game just gathering bio-data/scanning diffferent creatures for circuits with low stats and water vulnerability so early game feels like you're worse than Wilson. Only after visiting the ruins probably it start to feel better but not because of skill tree - just because you have gears now and probably vision/speed curcuits, which actually is quite same as it was. Now you need to spend your resources to setup these chassises (and you want to visit specific places to place them wise), add proper circuits to each, have food for each, have resources for each, have weapons and armor for each. Of course such upkeep which is really long would feel much better if you can transport resources and explore map not only by foot. I don't know if you tried to play as WX but early game he is really slow poor guy which requires expirience in the game. Skill tree actually made him a bit worse than it was early game. While late game he extremely shines. And this is about playstyle and goals. If you plan to run long-term world, he is cool. If you plan to do a boss rush, take Wolfgang/Willow. If you join public server and want to encourage everyone to fight - pick Wigfried. If you want to show everyone who is real spider queen on public server - pick Wendy. I mean, everyone agrees there's disbalance in skill trees, but Klei recognizes it already, so please be patient. I don't think Klei initially had in mind what they'll do with every character skills so each new skill tree is kinda a response for community reactions/expectations, so I think their best approach for now would be to finish all characters skill trees to than make proper comparisons and reworks. They've decided reworks has more priority than other characters skill trees - okay for me, I think you should be happy because it means the issues with Wigfried and Wendy will be addressed sooner. No need to harass robot, they understand and share your pain. Wx is pretty strong early game idk, even compared to other characters. But i agree, if this is a Suggestion for wendy and wigfrid, it should be in the suggestion forum, not the wx 78 beta branch feedback forum. 4 1 Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/171184-any-overpowered-character-ought-to-be-designed-to-the-same-trash-skill-tree-level-as-wigfrid-and-wendy/#findComment-1864630 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sesekriri Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 The game should not be balanced around playing at the highest level and speedrunning and stuff. Movement speed is not as OP to the average player who will be taking a lot of hits. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/171184-any-overpowered-character-ought-to-be-designed-to-the-same-trash-skill-tree-level-as-wigfrid-and-wendy/#findComment-1864635 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Digi62BR Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 Posts like this honestly make me think that the beta branch should be closed or kept strictly for internal testing. The mentality of some people in this community is incredibly frustrating: you are basically asking to nerf and ruin a character that finally has a good, fun, and versatile design, just because you think the skill trees of other characters are bad. The logical step would be to ask Klei to buff and rework Wigfrid and Wendy so they become as good and fun as WX-78. Asking to drag a well-designed character down to a 'mediocre standard' is terrible game design and ruins the fun for everyone. 8 1 Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/171184-any-overpowered-character-ought-to-be-designed-to-the-same-trash-skill-tree-level-as-wigfrid-and-wendy/#findComment-1864638 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edible Coal Posted April 27 Share Posted April 27 7 hours ago, Digi62BR said: Posts like this honestly make me think that the beta branch should be closed or kept strictly for internal testing. The mentality of some people in this community is incredibly frustrating: you are basically asking to nerf and ruin a character that finally has a good, fun, and versatile design, just because you think the skill trees of other characters are bad. The logical step would be to ask Klei to buff and rework Wigfrid and Wendy so they become as good and fun as WX-78. Asking to drag a well-designed character down to a 'mediocre standard' is terrible game design and ruins the fun for everyone. nah, closed is a bad idea, you need more people to test stuff so they dont suck Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/171184-any-overpowered-character-ought-to-be-designed-to-the-same-trash-skill-tree-level-as-wigfrid-and-wendy/#findComment-1864732 Share on other sites More sharing options...
FluffyBun Posted April 27 Share Posted April 27 Wig's skill tree is fine Buffs beefalo Buffs helmet Adds Elding Spear Adds canister What else does Wiggy need? She has everything she ever need. A buffed helmet, buffed beefalo taming, and buffed spear. Wiggy's skill tree is perfection. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/171184-any-overpowered-character-ought-to-be-designed-to-the-same-trash-skill-tree-level-as-wigfrid-and-wendy/#findComment-1864752 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Siren11 Posted April 27 Share Posted April 27 12 hours ago, FluffyBun said: Wig's skill tree is fine Buffs beefalo Buffs helmet Adds Elding Spear Adds canister What else does Wiggy need? She has everything she ever need. A buffed helmet, buffed beefalo taming, and buffed spear. Wiggy's skill tree is perfection. Her affinities are really bad… 1 Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/171184-any-overpowered-character-ought-to-be-designed-to-the-same-trash-skill-tree-level-as-wigfrid-and-wendy/#findComment-1864845 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dingle Posted April 27 Share Posted April 27 Justice for Wigford! 1 Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/171184-any-overpowered-character-ought-to-be-designed-to-the-same-trash-skill-tree-level-as-wigfrid-and-wendy/#findComment-1864847 Share on other sites More sharing options...
FluffyBun Posted April 28 Share Posted April 28 11 hours ago, Siren11 said: Her affinities are really bad… She doesn't need to skill them to become competitive, and, frankly, having affinities does not suit wigfrid. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/171184-any-overpowered-character-ought-to-be-designed-to-the-same-trash-skill-tree-level-as-wigfrid-and-wendy/#findComment-1864990 Share on other sites More sharing options...
hhhhddh Posted April 28 Share Posted April 28 6 hours ago, FluffyBun said: She doesn't need to skill them to become competitive, and, frankly, having affinities does not suit wigfrid. That's the problem, a good skilltree should be like "these're all good let me choose", not "let's just skip the bad ones". Affinities are bad, Commander's Helm is not good enough, On 4/27/2026 at 12:51 PM, FluffyBun said: Wig's skill tree is fine Buffs beefalo Buffs helmet Adds Elding Spear Adds canister What else does Wiggy need? She has everything she ever need. A buffed helmet, buffed beefalo taming, and buffed spear. Wiggy's skill tree is perfection. and you didn't even mention Battle Rönd, did you just forget it? It's even kinda "ultimate skill" of the branch. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/171184-any-overpowered-character-ought-to-be-designed-to-the-same-trash-skill-tree-level-as-wigfrid-and-wendy/#findComment-1865040 Share on other sites More sharing options...
FluffyBun Posted April 28 Share Posted April 28 (edited) 3 hours ago, hhhhddh said: That's the problem, a good skilltree should be like "these're all good let me choose", not "let's just skip the bad ones". Affinities are bad, Commander's Helm is not good enough, There is never a skill tree whereby everything except the 15 most pickable ones are trash. It's called the WX-78 problem whereby every player will install exclusively speed (+1 light) and spin circuits on WX-78 simply because they are better for an experienced player. There is no reason to pick an inferior skill over a superior skill in any skill tree because you miss out on the opportunity cost of the better skill to skill the worse one. This applies doubly to WX-78 as there is absolutely 0 reason not to go for chassis teleportation, all circuits, and value points in transportation even though roto-mapping isn't "bad" per se. Also, Wigfrid was playable pre-skilltree anyway. 3 hours ago, hhhhddh said: and you didn't even mention Battle Rönd, did you just forget it? It's even kinda "ultimate skill" of the branch. Battle Rond is a waste of skill points unless you cannot kite. However, if you cannot kite, it is the best 3 skill points you can ever put into a character. Edited April 28 by FluffyBun Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/171184-any-overpowered-character-ought-to-be-designed-to-the-same-trash-skill-tree-level-as-wigfrid-and-wendy/#findComment-1865076 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrsBoris Posted April 28 Share Posted April 28 4 hours ago, hhhhddh said: It's even kinda "ultimate skill" of the branch. Ultimate skill? Do you think we could call it... The ultimate hope? *DANGANRONPA plays* 1 Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/171184-any-overpowered-character-ought-to-be-designed-to-the-same-trash-skill-tree-level-as-wigfrid-and-wendy/#findComment-1865099 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reddddd Posted April 28 Share Posted April 28 Just now, MrsBoris said: Ultimate skill? Do you think we could call it... The ultimate hope? *DANGANRONPA plays* The ultimate performancer! The true mastermind behind the assassination game! 1 Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/171184-any-overpowered-character-ought-to-be-designed-to-the-same-trash-skill-tree-level-as-wigfrid-and-wendy/#findComment-1865100 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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