Bring Back Alpha Usefulness (and some Beta)

[EsmeWatchesBird]

We’ve finally gotten to see what Klei was cooking up all this time that supposedly warranted the complete destruction of relevance of the Alpha circuit upgrade skills.

And i gotta say, it doesn’t cut it.

On behalf of the unofficial DS discord: Klei, PLEASE bring back some of the old stats for Alpha and Beta circuits. Make super-hardy more than a measly 10 more hp per circuit slot, make the beanbooster shield back to how it was, give us back the full dapperness modifier from processing, and make super illumination an actual competitor for night vision!

I know the nerfs were made in mind of “encouraging creativity” but they have really done the opposite. They have made the tanking playstyle for wx far less viable, and more importantly far less fun. They have also greatly reduced flexibility in the Beta board, now that in order to get enough light to be workable, you need to have so many super illuminations you might as well just use night vis.

It doesn’t help balance, and it doesn’t help fun. Even the tankiest WX has to make far more armor than the average player. Thats balance enough.

Let us actually utilize the circuit customization so much of this beta was focused on. 

Please.

(also, wx uses they/them pronouns. Respect that, or there will be a reckoning)

[Fishgirl]

ABSOLUTELY THIS.  I have nothing to add other than complete and utter agreement that i need to express beyond a like

[Lord-King-Bear]

28 minutes ago, EsmeWatchesBird said:

We’ve finally gotten to see what Klei was cooking up all this time that supposedly warranted the complete destruction of relevance of the Alpha circuit upgrade skills.

And i gotta say, it doesn’t cut it.

On behalf of the unofficial DS discord: Klei, PLEASE bring back some of the old stats for Alpha and Beta circuits. Make super-hardy more than a measly 10 more hp per circuit slot, make the beanbooster shield back to how it was, give us back the full dapperness modifier from processing, and make super illumination an actual competitor for night vision!

I know the nerfs were made in mind of “encouraging creativity” but they have really done the opposite. They have made the tanking playstyle for wx far less viable, and more importantly far less fun. They have also greatly reduced flexibility in the Beta board, now that in order to get enough light to be workable, you need to have so many super illuminations you might as well just use night vis.

It doesn’t help balance, and it doesn’t help fun. Even the tankiest WX has to make far more armor than the average player. Thats balance enough.

Let us actually utilize the circuit customization so much of this beta was focused on. 

Please.

(also, wx uses they/them pronouns. Respect that, or there will be a reckoning)

Y’all harp them so much chill he seems much more balanced. I love everything they put out. He’s still a solid pick. Not every character needs to be op god yet he’s still op despite nerfs. Summer immune winter immune darkness immune what else could you ask for? Just mad you can’t make him have what 600 hp. 440 flipping enormous. 

[Fishgirl]

22 minutes ago, Lord-King-Bear said:

 Summer immune winter immune darkness immune what else could you ask for?

you need higher standards if you think ignoring what will eventually be basic survival is "OP". nor is it actually interesting 

Edited April 14 by Fishgirl

[Baark0]

I feel like a fair middle ground for the illumination circuit would be to increase the circle of light's size, while keeping the cone the same. I feel like if the cone followed the mouse and had the option to be locked in place it'd be a lot more appealing, since having it be based on the direction your character is facing makes it kinda jank when it comes to kiting enemies.

[Lord-King-Bear]

10 minutes ago, Fishgirl said:

you need higher standards if you think ignoring what will eventually be basic survival is "OP". nor is it actually interesting 

When the game is a survival game making things that take away the survival aspect is op. Obviously not interesting but at this point the survival mechanics just hinder new players. No one else. He’s one of the most op with the amount of stats the ease of access of things. He literally negates everything. He literally has an answer for everything he’s the Swiss Army knife now 

[Fishgirl]

Just now, Lord-King-Bear said:

When the game is a survival game making things that take away the survival aspect is op. Obviously not interesting but at this point the survival mechanics just hinder new players. No one else. He’s one of the most op with the amount of stats the ease of access of things. He literally negates everything. He literally has an answer for everything he’s the Swiss Army knife now 

okay but do you think they're interesting. be honest. do you have to think about your choices when selecting circuits? the point of re-buffing the circuits isn't to make them what you believe to be "OP" (which i think is utterly ridiculous and these standards are what led to the state the tree is now, but i digress), but to allow players to have diverse choices and specialization.

 

Everyone talks about how "Oh my god! They can have a million zillion in one stat!" but are you truly looking at the context? Do you not see the opportunity cost? Specialization should be embraced into the kit. i should be allowed to be tanky if i do All The Circuits That Make Me Tanky. but no. People who didn't actually think about context or effort or anything ingame beyond a really high number screamed into the void and somehow klei answered. i love the community and the developers, but this beta has lessened my hope a little. i do not mean this rant to put anyone down, but to rather encourage players to actually interact with what they discuss.

[Jussatoon]

31 minutes ago, Fishgirl said:

i love the community and the developers, but this beta has lessened my hope a little. i do not mean this rant to put anyone down, but to rather encourage players to actually interact with what they discuss.

Although, I wouldn't entirely blame you if you did a little less sugarcoating; sometimes that's neccessary in desperate situations. 

[Eclipsed Nox]

Hace 2 horas, Lord-King-Bear dijo:

Todos ustedes les dan tanto amigo que parece mucho más equilibrio. Yo encanta todo lo que sacan. Sigue siendo una elección sólida. No todos los personajes necesarios ser dioses, pero el sello siendo op a pesar de los nerfs. Inmune de verano inmune de invierno oscuridad inmune ¿qué más podrias pedir? Locomotora simple, sin puertas haciendo que tenga 600 hp. 440 volteando enorme. 

Honestly, temperature isn't much of a problem in general, given how long the heat stones last and that Willow and Wilson can ignore winter, just like Willow with the Fireball/Beard abilities. Summer is ignored with the Eye-Brella, which isn't really that hard either, because it's not that hot in Oasis, and you don't use summer to explore caves anyway.

[EsmeWatchesBird]

Update on this: Beanbooster is back to 1hp/4seconds, yay! Still only out of combat though. Klei, PLEASE don’t make beanbooster a one-time shield, it actively encouraged taking minimal damage so its regen could outpace it and not eat into real health. Also make the other alphas worth it at all because the tinkering upgrades are NOT worth the skill points.

[doritosdamafia]

i have some ideas that could be cool

[Deurus]

I hope they address some of the issues with the gamma circuits. Right now, they seriously need better dynamics to feel more engaging and attractive. I’ve got a few suggestions if you want to check them out:

WX-78 Circuit Changes That Could Change the Meta

[-Nick-]

I think WX is in a relatively good spot right now. The old Alpha circuits stats were overtuned and then the nerf afterwards was too much. Then a few patches later with some minor buffs and changes it found a nice middle ground. 

Edited April 15 by -Nick-

[Hi.]

Is it crazy that I don't mind the nerfs? I was testing the New Wx with warbot and it's was very easy. Wx is very tanky with the extra hp and the speed and thermal circuits make WARBOT a joke. Wx has access to teleportation around the map, decent amount of hp, hp regen, decent damage potential and AOE, Speed, Temp immunity, infinite light, and the affinity perks. Maybe they changed somethings since the OP made this post but I think WX is fine.

 

Although maybe the bean booster shield could get a little bit of a buff and some of the gamma circuits could get buffed.

Edited April 15 by Hi.

[Fishgirl]

14 minutes ago, Hi. said:

Is it crazy that I don't mind the nerfs? I was testing the New Wx with warbot and it's was very easy. Wx is very tanky with the extra hp and the speed and thermal circuits make WARBOT a joke. Wx has access to teleportation around the map, decent amount of hp, hp regen, decent damage potential and AOE, Speed, Temp immunity, infinite light, and the affinity perks. Maybe they changed somethings since the OP made this post but I think WX is fine.

 

Although maybe the bean booster shield could get a little bit of a buff and some of the gamma circuits could get buffed.

it's not about being good or not, it's just funner to have better options. do you see yourself ever desiring the damage reduction of health or dapperness increase of sanity? its so pitiful now that id believe the answer would be no

[doritosdamafia]

35 minutes ago, Hi. said:

Is it crazy that I don't mind the nerfs? I was testing the New Wx with warbot and it's was very easy. Wx is very tanky with the extra hp and the speed and thermal circuits make WARBOT a joke. Wx has access to teleportation around the map, decent amount of hp, hp regen, decent damage potential and AOE, Speed, Temp immunity, infinite light, and the affinity perks. Maybe they changed somethings since the OP made this post but I think WX is fine.

 

Although maybe the bean booster shield could get a little bit of a buff and some of the gamma circuits could get buffed.

it's more about the fact that the alpha upgrade skills are not worth it, the only reason someone will use it is if they really want to use beanbooster and only that, the bônus of the other circuits in the same category are very little, unlike the beta and gamma that give actual value

1 hour ago, -Nick- said:

I think WX is in a relatively good spot right now. The old Alpha circuits stats were overtuned and then the nerf afterwards was too much. Then a few patches later with some minor buffs and changes it found a nice middle ground. 

the problem is that both beta and alpha skill upgrade got so nerffed that the upgrade 1 is only useful to get upgrade 2, and it's that way because klei removed most of the upgrade 1 bônus for the circuits, so or klei make upgrde 1 existence justifiable by re-adding some type of bônus or by fusing upgrade 1 and 2

Edited April 15 by doritosdamafia

[xhyom]

22 hours ago, Fishgirl said:

you need higher standards if you think ignoring what will eventually be basic survival is "OP". nor is it actually interesting 

Sure but to what extent will these standards go? How high will they go, and where is the line drawn? It feels like everytime there's a character skilltree something in this forum turns into a chore, not interactive, nor interesting, and ends up being completely circumvented by a perk. Then even more is demanded because the problem it already solved wasn't reaaally that much of a problem, so it kind of "doesn't count", the thing that was completely denied by the perk was never anything special in the first place… until the next ‘unremarkable’ thing gets bypassed as well

 

[doritosdamafia]

16 minutes ago, xhyom said:

Sure but to what extent will these standards go? How high will they go, and where is the line drawn? It feels like everytime there's a character skilltree something in this forum turns into a chore, not interactive, nor interesting, and ends up being completely circumvented by a perk. Then even more is demanded because the problem it already solved wasn't reaaally that much of a problem, so it kind of "doesn't count", the thing that was completely denied by the perk was never anything special in the first place… until the next ‘unremarkable’ thing gets bypassed as well

 

the line would be what we can make thats not character related tha helps deny said aspect of surviving