tzl Posted April 3 Share Posted April 3 Is anyone else incredibly frustrated with the recent updates to WX-78? The new skill tree is ridiculously punishing, and it feels like the stats are just being constantly nerfed for no good reason. Instead of an exciting progression system, the skill tree feels like a massive chore. We are basically being forced to jump through overly complicated hoops just to claw back a fraction of the power and utility WX-78 used to have by default. And let's talk about the γ (Gamma) circuits. What is even the point of them right now? The abilities they provide have absolutely zero practical use in actual gameplay. Wasting precious circuit slots and resources on something that gives no tangible benefit in survival or boss fights is just bad design. WX-78 is supposed to be a highly adaptable automaton, but right now, playing them just feels restricted and underpowered. The constant numerical nerfs need to stop, the skill tree needs to be less clunky, and the γ circuits desperately need a complete rework so they actually do something useful. WX-78 deserves better. 5 1 Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/170456-wx-78%E2%80%99s-skill-tree-and-recent-nerfs-this-isnt-fun-anymore/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Webber Posted April 3 Share Posted April 3 Yeah, I’ve been thinking recently that yes we should keep the games challenging roots intact but it feel like if somebody makes something more fun that should be prioritized over challenge because the only reason the challenge is even there on the first place is there are people that find that fun? I also feel like if they’re going to have skill trees, they should make it so we can eventually unlock everything in the skill tree and the only thing that you have to choose between as lunar or shadow affinity, except for Winona (and technically wormwood and Maxwell sense they can only receive power from one side) wanna help me come up with a way to improve the sonic circuit and share any other ideas you might have: 1 Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/170456-wx-78%E2%80%99s-skill-tree-and-recent-nerfs-this-isnt-fun-anymore/#findComment-1857833 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheggf Posted April 3 Share Posted April 3 (edited) Absurdly exaggeratory and unhelpful. WX has one of the best skill trees that turned him from the worst character ever to one that's cool. You haven't actually said anything other than "it sucks". Edited April 3 by Cheggf 24 1 1 Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/170456-wx-78%E2%80%99s-skill-tree-and-recent-nerfs-this-isnt-fun-anymore/#findComment-1857977 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cuernito. Posted April 3 Share Posted April 3 And have you actually tried the new changes? please be honest. 12 Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/170456-wx-78%E2%80%99s-skill-tree-and-recent-nerfs-this-isnt-fun-anymore/#findComment-1858005 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Webber Posted April 3 Share Posted April 3 2 hours ago, Cheggf said: Absurdly exaggeratory and unhelpful. WX has one of the best skill trees that turned him from the worst character ever to one that's cool. You haven't actually said anything other than "it sucks". 48 minutes ago, Cuernito. said: And have you actually tried the new changes? please be honest. I think they’re talking about the Nerf that were given to certain aspects of the skill tree since I originally came out. Also, the gamma circuits are kind of underwhelming. 2 Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/170456-wx-78%E2%80%99s-skill-tree-and-recent-nerfs-this-isnt-fun-anymore/#findComment-1858021 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hungry French Posted April 4 Share Posted April 4 WX was strong. After rework, it became absurdly strong. After the tree, he became SSS absurd level. Nerfs are good. And the easing in this update... Just minor ones... 4 Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/170456-wx-78%E2%80%99s-skill-tree-and-recent-nerfs-this-isnt-fun-anymore/#findComment-1858120 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evelo Posted April 4 Share Posted April 4 9 hours ago, Cheggf said: WX has one of the best skill trees that turned him from the worst character ever to one that's cool. When was WX ever one of the worst characters? I guess pre-refresh I can see an argument, but post refresh? No? But, yeah the skill tree, though there are flaws with it, the nerfs are none of those flaws. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/170456-wx-78%E2%80%99s-skill-tree-and-recent-nerfs-this-isnt-fun-anymore/#findComment-1858127 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheggf Posted April 4 Share Posted April 4 33 minutes ago, Evelo said: When was WX ever one of the worst characters? I guess pre-refresh I can see an argument, but post refresh? No? But, yeah the skill tree, though there are flaws with it, the nerfs are none of those flaws. Pre refresh he at least could think about unique ways to overcharge, post refresh he literally didn't do anything except ignore game mechanics. Instead of interacting with the game in a unique and interesting way, his power was that he interacted with the game less. Oooooh, I'm ignoring temperature! Ooooh, I don't need to care about darkness! Ooooh, I'm walking a little faster! Most boring and least interactive thing ever. Nobody ever used any circuits except for speed and the ones that remove game mechanics, because there was no reason to. All the rest of the circuits sucked. 6 1 Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/170456-wx-78%E2%80%99s-skill-tree-and-recent-nerfs-this-isnt-fun-anymore/#findComment-1858131 Share on other sites More sharing options...
AliceShiki Posted April 4 Share Posted April 4 4 hours ago, Cheggf said: Pre refresh he at least could think about unique ways to overcharge, post refresh he literally didn't do anything except ignore game mechanics. Instead of interacting with the game in a unique and interesting way, his power was that he interacted with the game less. Oooooh, I'm ignoring temperature! Ooooh, I don't need to care about darkness! Ooooh, I'm walking a little faster! Most boring and least interactive thing ever. Nobody ever used any circuits except for speed and the ones that remove game mechanics, because there was no reason to. All the rest of the circuits sucked. I remember considering trying WX out before, but the more I looked him up at the wiki, I just thought... "Isn't this just... Faster Wilson who ignores Summer/Winter?" I do like playing Wilson from time to time, but when I want to do that, I just play Wilson. WX just... Didn't seem to have anything particularly appealing about him. I wouldn't say he was one of the worst characters necessary, but he was definitely one of the most boring ones. I like what I'm seeing from the skill tree that is making him look more interesting~ 2 Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/170456-wx-78%E2%80%99s-skill-tree-and-recent-nerfs-this-isnt-fun-anymore/#findComment-1858179 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piekam Posted April 4 Share Posted April 4 The skilltree itself looks promising for, its too early to say for sure... But the nerfs are so forced. I get it, now you can have the extra health etc AND still use the other circuits... But its just forcing people to use the hunger and sanity one for no reason. while health i get, could stay on 100 or hell, even 75 if they really felt like WX78 would have too much of that (i mean, they play the role of a tank so why wouldnt it-) i dont get the 100 sanity and 100 hunger changes. 125 was very stable, not too much, still would make you think "oh, maybe i should choose to have more of those actually-" but 100? While not bad, as i said, feels forced... imo if anything it should be like 125 hunger/150 sanity/75-100 health Hunger Circuits are good Sanity one could give less, or even no extra sanity, just giving the passive regen to it, or raising a cap at which a player can see shadows etc, could be neat. HP Circuits, if HP is set so low for a TANK character, should not be nerfed with that stat change aswell. 75 hp, one circuit could give 125, and each extra could raise it by 50 and 25 or something, to not be too op and to encourage using other ones. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/170456-wx-78%E2%80%99s-skill-tree-and-recent-nerfs-this-isnt-fun-anymore/#findComment-1858210 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evelo Posted April 4 Share Posted April 4 12 hours ago, Cheggf said: Pre refresh he at least could think about unique ways to overcharge, post refresh he literally didn't do anything except ignore game mechanics. Oh worst to play, not worst as in power level, alright yeah that's true. 1 Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/170456-wx-78%E2%80%99s-skill-tree-and-recent-nerfs-this-isnt-fun-anymore/#findComment-1858314 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sacco Posted April 5 Share Posted April 5 oh no!!! They reduced some stats!!! Let’s be honest, WX is still absurdly broken even after all the nerfs. If i was Klei i’d nerf the stats given by circuits to +25 for the small one and +75 for the big ones. People arejust scared of the word “nerf”. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/170456-wx-78%E2%80%99s-skill-tree-and-recent-nerfs-this-isnt-fun-anymore/#findComment-1858473 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gracilus Posted April 7 Share Posted April 7 On 4/3/2026 at 5:13 AM, tzl said: Is anyone else incredibly frustrated with the recent updates to WX-78? The new skill tree is ridiculously punishing, and it feels like the stats are just being constantly nerfed for no good reason. Instead of an exciting progression system, the skill tree feels like a massive chore. We are basically being forced to jump through overly complicated hoops just to claw back a fraction of the power and utility WX-78 used to have by default. And let's talk about the γ (Gamma) circuits. What is even the point of them right now? The abilities they provide have absolutely zero practical use in actual gameplay. Wasting precious circuit slots and resources on something that gives no tangible benefit in survival or boss fights is just bad design. WX-78 is supposed to be a highly adaptable automaton, but right now, playing them just feels restricted and underpowered. The constant numerical nerfs need to stop, the skill tree needs to be less clunky, and the γ circuits desperately need a complete rework so they actually do something useful. WX-78 deserves better. How is the skill tree punishing? could you explain further? The stats are being nerfed for VERY good reason. with all the circuit slots he has now, he can become a walking god. what stats are being nerfed for no good reason? cite examples maybe? why does the skill tree feel like a chore? is it the idea of having to play the game for a while before unlocking all the skill points? WX has more power than they used to. what aspect of them is weaker than before? you can get every benefit from being overcharged through the circuits, and more. they have been overbuffed to absolute oblivion. some of the gamma circuits are bad right now, but some actually have a pretty viable use. and how are you "wasting precious circuit slots" on using gamma circuits lmao? did you even touch the beta? like, at all? WX got a COMPLETELY SEPERATE SECTION for them. you aren't wasting any slots at all when you just shove them in their own dedicated section. the increased slots alone buff WX like crazy, and that isn't even apart of the skill tree. your just objectively wrong when you say these circuits give no tangible benefit to survival. the redigestion circuit turns excess rot into free food that never spoils. "WX is supposed to be a highly adaptable automaton, but right now, playing them feels restricted and underpowered". dude. it feels like you are just hating this update just to hate it. WX isn't adaptable? hmm, lets see, he can ignore summer, ignore winter, ignore darkness, become a walking tank, become faster than a beefalo, and stun bosses. nothing about WX even remotely feels like they aren't "adaptable". 6 Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/170456-wx-78%E2%80%99s-skill-tree-and-recent-nerfs-this-isnt-fun-anymore/#findComment-1858802 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schry Posted April 14 Share Posted April 14 Yeah, most of the gamma circuits are really foolish and useless, and the multiple nerfs before have made me pretty pessimistic about WX-78's skill tree. The newly released affinity skills aren't impressive either. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/170456-wx-78%E2%80%99s-skill-tree-and-recent-nerfs-this-isnt-fun-anymore/#findComment-1861619 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piekam Posted April 14 Share Posted April 14 i think after the updates its good enough, not great, wish there was more to the affinities tho. I think both should have the socket for inserting materials, and i think the lunar one should work like winonas, where you can "scan" wagstaffs blueprints or something, im not saying telebrella, but something new for the wx78 exclussivelly, but with the wagstaff twist you know. and for shadow i think the mask enemies from caves could have a similiar use as gestalts, or even ikers, as you cant have infested clones in the caves rn... also pure horror could be used instead of nightmare fuel, just to give that affinities resistance to planar or something, but otherwise the same as the nightmare fuel. as i said, pretty good, but i think there was a potential to do something greater. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/170456-wx-78%E2%80%99s-skill-tree-and-recent-nerfs-this-isnt-fun-anymore/#findComment-1861642 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lippy Posted Tuesday at 11:31 PM Share Posted Tuesday at 11:31 PM I don't understand the culture of "nerfing" things in a PVE COOP game. If all characters had an absolutely busted skill tree, it would beneficial to ALL players. Why would anyone want the opposite? I think every single character should become absurdly OP and have access to things that other character don't, making them even more unique and exciting to play. Why does Woodie get to run across the seven seas and wurt cant even swim? nope, fix that right now! I want to have fun! I want Wolfgang to have a chance to one shot an enemy during combat when he's at his peak strength. Also, 2x damage? rookie numbers... make it 4x. I want Wilson to gain survival perks for everyday he manages to survive. If you like to suffer, play as Wes, with your screen upside down or something. Now about WX, I think the gamma circuits should be at their max by having just one, having to plug two of them to get slightly better effects is dum dum, specially the spin-circuit since you can only get it during spring. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/170456-wx-78%E2%80%99s-skill-tree-and-recent-nerfs-this-isnt-fun-anymore/#findComment-1866107 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Echsrick Posted Wednesday at 12:13 AM Share Posted Wednesday at 12:13 AM i feel like wx is a bit too much for its skill tree like way over duned 1 Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/170456-wx-78%E2%80%99s-skill-tree-and-recent-nerfs-this-isnt-fun-anymore/#findComment-1866110 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hungry French Posted Wednesday at 12:20 AM Share Posted Wednesday at 12:20 AM On 05.04.2026 at 18:08, Sacco said: О нет!!! Они снизили некоторые характеристики!!! Давайте начистоту: даже после всех нерфов WX по-прежнему невероятно силен. На месте Клея я бы снизил характеристики, даваемые схемами, до +25 для маленьких и +75 для больших. Люди просто боятся слова «нерф». Or much weaker. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/170456-wx-78%E2%80%99s-skill-tree-and-recent-nerfs-this-isnt-fun-anymore/#findComment-1866113 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheggf Posted Wednesday at 01:10 AM Share Posted Wednesday at 01:10 AM 1 hour ago, Lippy said: I don't understand the culture of "nerfing" things in a PVE COOP game. If all characters had an absolutely busted skill tree, it would beneficial to ALL players. Why would anyone want the opposite? I think every single character should become absurdly OP and have access to things that other character don't, making them even more unique and exciting to play. Why does Woodie get to run across the seven seas and wurt cant even swim? nope, fix that right now! I want to have fun! I want Wolfgang to have a chance to one shot an enemy during combat when he's at his peak strength. Also, 2x damage? rookie numbers... make it 4x. I want Wilson to gain survival perks for everyday he manages to survive. If you like to suffer, play as Wes, with your screen upside down or something. Now about WX, I think the gamma circuits should be at their max by having just one, having to plug two of them to get slightly better effects is dum dum, specially the spin-circuit since you can only get it during spring. Just download cheat mods you clearly don't actually like to play games 10 Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/170456-wx-78%E2%80%99s-skill-tree-and-recent-nerfs-this-isnt-fun-anymore/#findComment-1866123 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hi. Posted Wednesday at 01:24 AM Share Posted Wednesday at 01:24 AM 1 hour ago, Lippy said: I want Wolfgang to have a chance to one shot an enemy during combat when he's at his peak strength. Also, 2x damage? rookie numbers... make it 4x. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/170456-wx-78%E2%80%99s-skill-tree-and-recent-nerfs-this-isnt-fun-anymore/#findComment-1866124 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Debruh Posted Wednesday at 07:08 AM Share Posted Wednesday at 07:08 AM 7 hours ago, Lippy said: If you like to suffer, play as Wes, with your screen upside down or something. This mentality goes both ways, though. If you want every character to be OP, then just download mods and use cheats, or something. 2 Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/170456-wx-78%E2%80%99s-skill-tree-and-recent-nerfs-this-isnt-fun-anymore/#findComment-1866152 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lippy Posted Wednesday at 02:18 PM Share Posted Wednesday at 02:18 PM 7 hours ago, Debruh said: This mentality goes both ways, though. If you want every character to be OP, then just download mods and use cheats, or something. I agree, but new players don't know that. Imagine how many potential players will never want to bother giving this game another chance because their first experience was miserable... 1 Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/170456-wx-78%E2%80%99s-skill-tree-and-recent-nerfs-this-isnt-fun-anymore/#findComment-1866178 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jakepeng99 Posted Wednesday at 04:11 PM Share Posted Wednesday at 04:11 PM 9 hours ago, Debruh said: This mentality goes both ways, though. If you want every character to be OP, then just download mods and use cheats, or something. Most already do.😏 1 hour ago, Lippy said: I agree, but new players don't know that. Imagine how many potential players will never want to bother giving this game another chance because their first experience was miserable... Making characters OP doesnt fix that at all. The only thing killing new players is the lack of knowledge, time management and skill at kiting and stuff. Making WX unkillable or something like they once were doesnt “fix” that besides making those who know about it unkillable. Especially if it’s locked behind playtime in a skilltree. 1 Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/170456-wx-78%E2%80%99s-skill-tree-and-recent-nerfs-this-isnt-fun-anymore/#findComment-1866186 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Debruh Posted Wednesday at 04:28 PM Share Posted Wednesday at 04:28 PM 2 hours ago, Lippy said: I agree, but new players don't know that. Imagine how many potential players will never want to bother giving this game another chance because their first experience was miserable... In addition to what Jakepeng said, the game also advertises itself as the uncompromising survival game, they probably installed it to be miserable. 2 Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/170456-wx-78%E2%80%99s-skill-tree-and-recent-nerfs-this-isnt-fun-anymore/#findComment-1866189 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WendyHater9000 Posted Wednesday at 11:39 PM Share Posted Wednesday at 11:39 PM (edited) 9 hours ago, Lippy said: I agree, but new players don't know that. Imagine how many potential players will never want to bother giving this game another chance because their first experience was miserable... This game is still having top 20 online player on steam fyi, meaning most people’s loves this kind of uncompromising gameplay. Asking devs to nerf their main aspect due to new players might not like it is some crazy thought lmao. Also WX is strong af. Do u guys here complaining even play wx? My boy can shred thru CC at day 31, that’s some Wortox level power. And also be able to press f without kiting by using shadow maul Edited Wednesday at 11:39 PM by WendyHater9000 1 Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/170456-wx-78%E2%80%99s-skill-tree-and-recent-nerfs-this-isnt-fun-anymore/#findComment-1866225 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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