Help dealing with WARBOT missiles (also Scion)

[CrimsonStrider]

My friend and I are doing a world with damage and nightmares on more, and we got stuck on Warbot and Scion. 

I'm Wendy and he's Willow. Neither of us play these characters. 

1. I normally use ice Crystaleyezer and tank the cold damage, but on this world Willow is unable to mitigate the damage and sanity loss while doing anything (4+ terrorbeaks).

Is Abi completely useless even with affinities? Drinking potions myself is useless as well right?

I also don't know now how I'd fight Warbot with Wanda using this strategy with normal settings because of the cold damage.

Is there a different method for dealing with the missiles that will work on console? I remember seeing people setup stars and thermal stones. How does that work?

2. Is there a consistent way to keep scion from doing that stupid attack in the wrong direction? There is no way to brute force the damage if you mess up with these settings and Scion starts going back towards the center. It feels even harder to lead him correctly with 2 people.

[Semind]

Willow is probably the strongest character at dealing with missiles*. Just farm enough embers to put like 80 fireballs in the arena (this is probably overkill, but I don't know what's a reasonable amount, 80 just seems like a solid guarantee of being enough). And since she places them quickly, it's actually viable to start putting more down mid-fight if you need em.

As for Scion, I couldn't tell you since I haven't seen the fight in multiplayer. As far as I can tell, based on the persistent complaints, you really can't do anything but try to get every player to stand in the optimal position. I can only offer that you might try using Lazy Explorers, mushcakes and copious amounts of healing to try surviving the strategy of going to stand on electrified floor whenever he's going for a slam in order to really guarantee that you'll lose as little ground as possible. I've seen that blue mushrooms can heal fast enough to outpace the damage, and as a bonus it keeps your enlightenment down.

*I would put characters like Wortox and WX who more easily get out of range of the missiles higher up but that doesn't exactly solve the situation in a multiplayer context

 

[RubLog6]

Get a **** ton of rocks for thermal stones, place them around the arena and willow fireballs. To heat them up.  You can also put them at the edge and the fireballs just outside so the missiles dont destroy the fireballs. If they do just cast more during the fight. Also, I think you just have to do a certain amount of damage to push Warbot past the first missile phase. Subsequent missile phases arent endless so the first one is the bigger hurdle.

[twitchgabo]

The most practical way I found for the missile is put A LOT of flammable items in clusters around the arena, like twigs, logs and boards. When the warbot starts spawning missiles you fire staff some of the flammable items to bait the missiles. 

[Edible Coal]

4 hours ago, CrimsonStrider said:

 

2. Is there a consistent way to keep scion from doing that stupid attack in the wrong direction? There is no way to brute force the damage if you mess up with these settings and Scion starts going back towards the center. It feels even harder to lead him correctly with 2 people.

Yes ! after scion health dips below 10k , if the dash after it will cause it to do the floor atk , it will compare the nearest player ( or most recent atk creature) and the center and see which will result in a closer dash to the center, you need to position yourself a straight line to the center , and when it winds up to dash, you quickly move to the side ( i recommend you at lease have a mag and cane)  

 

 

[CrimsonStrider]

Thanks.

Im guessing 1 missile destroys 1 fireball? Does 1 missile destroy 1 thermal?

How many thermal stones should we use as a rough start? Five stones per star and two or three separate star stations, each with multiple stars stacked? More or less? 

Are the missiles AoE to the thermals or can they be stacked?

Unfortunately in this world specifically we cannot tank the damage because of the high setting. We'll have to play around with Scion a bit more.

[Semind]

2 hours ago, CrimsonStrider said:

Thanks.

Im guessing 1 missile destroys 1 fireball? Does 1 missile destroy 1 thermal?

How many thermal stones should we use as a rough start? Five stones per star and two or three separate star stations, each with multiple stars stacked? More or less? 

Are the missiles AoE to the thermals or can they be stacked?

Unfortunately in this world specifically we cannot tank the damage because of the high setting. We'll have to play around with Scion a bit more.

Missiles do AoE so avoid stacking your decoy targets (thermals, heat sources). So since you should avoid stacking, your thermals per fireball/star is up to however many you can put close to heat without letting them too close to each other. Thermal stones take some amount of durability loss though idk how much so they can take a few missile hits before being destroyed. You can try making them last longer if you repair them with sewing kits too .

 

[CrimsonStrider]

We've since beat it on the dmg+ world and I've attempted it with Wanda on a normal world.

WARBOT is easy as long as you over prepare thermals. When I didnt have enough I simply had to leave because of the missiles. I think I used 15 to 20.

As for repairing, I dont know if it is worthwhile to. It seems, solo, the only opportunity is when he's firing and it makes more sense to attack him so that he does faster. Plus, there is spalsh dmg right? Still, I'll try next time my friend joins. They need to be repaired while he's firing because even with that many, multiple stones were breaking each time he entered that phase. 

Scion I still don't understand why he dashes in the middle. Solo, I feel like I was doing what they did in the video and it still dashed to the middle 3x or more. I squeezed out a win,  but it was very close and I wouldn't have been able to without auto pause on.

Am I doing something wrong? Or is that part of his behavior?  Is there some secret like dodging bonecage against AFW?

 

 

[Cruvimaster]

Wes doesn't have much difficulty facing the bosses (after learning the moveset of both bosses). When playing as Wes, it becomes very easy to use Wilson, and using Wigfrid becomes "godmode". I prefer fighting Scion with Wes than with Wanda.

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[CrimsonStrider]

2 hours ago, Cruvimaster said:

Wes doesn't have much difficulty facing the bosses (after learning the moveset of both bosses). When playing as Wes, it becomes very easy to use Wilson, and using Wigfrid becomes "godmode". I prefer fighting Scion with Wes than with Wanda.

You are misunderstanding.

I'm not unable to beat either of them.

Right now, I'm mainly trying to understand why Scion dashes away randomly even if I'm there smacking it.

I'm consistently beating Scion, but its that random dash that either makes the attempt a pain in the ass or in some cases ends it, for no apparent mistake on my part, and it pisses me off.

[Tigris Nano]

7 hours ago, CrimsonStrider said:

Right now, I'm mainly trying to understand why Scion dashes away randomly even if I'm there smacking it.

I'm consistently beating Scion, but its that random dash that either makes the attempt a pain in the ass or in some cases ends it, for no apparent mistake on my part, and it pisses me off.

It always tries to dash closer to center after first supernova attack so it can screw as much land as its possible.

Edited December 3, 2025 by Tigris Nano

[CrimsonStrider]

9 minutes ago, Tigris Nano said:

It always tries to dash closer to center after first supernova attack so it can screw as much land as its possible.

In the video that edible coal posted as well as a few others, that doesnt end up happening at all.

Is there some trick?

Like with NWP during his slamming phase, attacking during certain frames causes him to dash back instead of slam again.

Or being in a specific spot? Like when dodging bone cage?

 

[Semind]

36 minutes ago, CrimsonStrider said:

In the video that edible coal posted as well as a few others, that doesnt end up happening at all.

Is there some trick?

Like with NWP during his slamming phase, attacking during certain frames causes him to dash back instead of slam again.

Or being in a specific spot? Like when dodging bone cage?

 

There is a trick indeed. Scion's logic for the dash attack makes a check at the moment it starts raising from the ground as part of its pre-dash animation to see if the direction the player is in would make it dash towards or away from the center. If it sees that moving towards the player would place it near the edge, it'll target towards the center of the arena. I guess I'll spoiler the rest if anyone reading this would like to arrive at the conclusion themselves.

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The trick becomes to attack scion with your back towards the center of the arena and then, when Scion starts to move and has decided that it doesn't need to target the center of the arena (because it sees that moving towards you would put it closer to the middle), it goes on to use the same tracking logic that it had at the start of the fight. Meaning there's a window of time for you to reposition towards the arena's edge and make it dash towards it.

 

[Popian]

58 minutes ago, CrimsonStrider said:

Is there some trick?

On 11/21/2025 at 3:10 AM, Edible Coal said:

you need to position yourself a straight line to the center , and when it winds up to dash, you quickly move to the side ( i recommend you at lease have a mag and cane)

It is not necessary to direct the dashes away from center if you work on the slam to keep the field away from the legs. If you get good at it you can completely overlap new field over an old one.

It may be slightly unfavorable to have it "retreat" (1/2 outcomes) before supernova, but with experience you can manage it either way.

Edited December 3, 2025 by Popian

[CrimsonStrider]

5 hours ago, Semind said:

There is a trick indeed. Scion's logic for the dash attack makes a check at the moment it starts raising from the ground as part of its pre-dash animation to see if the direction the player is in would make it dash towards or away from the center. If it sees that moving towards the player would place it near the edge, it'll target towards the center of the arena. I guess I'll spoiler the rest if anyone reading this would like to arrive at the conclusion themselves.

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The trick becomes to attack scion with your back towards the center of the arena and then, when Scion starts to move and has decided that it doesn't need to target the center of the arena (because it sees that moving towards you would put it closer to the middle), it goes on to use the same tracking logic that it had at the start of the fight. Meaning there's a window of time for you to reposition towards the arena's edge and make it dash towards it.

 

Thats what I figured. I was hoping it wouldn't be the case, like I was attacking during x frame that changed his behavior. 

Is it a random check? Or pattern? Like dash, check, stomp?

I'll add this is confusing because I swear I saw in a patch notes after Scion that they fixed dashing to the center. I was under the assumption he was not intended to be doing that.

So after the first Nova, keep my back towards center. 

As he dashes, run and let him track to where I want to go.

If he decides to stomp instead, run under him and change his direction, then run back. Im assuming I have enough time with that while just using a cane?

 

5 hours ago, Popian said:

It is not necessary to direct the dashes away from center if you work on the slam to keep the field away from the legs. If you get good at it you can completely overlap new field over an old one.

It may be slightly unfavorable to have it "retreat" (1/2 outcomes) before supernova, but with experience you can manage it either way.

Thanks. I'm already doing that, I'm trying to learn how to avoid needing to do that.

The issue as Wanda is that there are situations where he dashes far enough into his field and your age/watch status prevents you from being able to tank the field and minimize the cast.

Edited December 3, 2025 by CrimsonStrider

[Edible Coal]

2 hours ago, CrimsonStrider said:

Thats what I figured. I was hoping it wouldn't be the case, like I was attacking during x frame that changed his behavior. 

Is it a random check? Or pattern? Like dash, check, stomp?

 

it start to behave differently after is below 10k health, u know it when scion start targeting the center instead of you

2 hours ago, CrimsonStrider said:

If he decides to stomp instead, run under him and change his direction, then run back. Im assuming I have enough time with that while just using a cane?

 

yup,it takes a bit of pratice, but you will get used to it pretty fast