Could wheeler become a new character?

[Bumber64]

14 hours ago, Hungry French said:

DST, on the contrary, re-uses 99.9% of the percentage of DS and RoG...

People tend to hate when sequels take away features*. (Adventure mode and teleportato are missing.) You can't say the Animal Crossing series is all re-releases from Gamecube to Switch because they reuse 99.9% of the villagers and items each game, while adding more stuff, and having no plot. Future games are expected to build on existing content.

Klei has replaced graphics with HD, reworked characters, overhauled farming, reviving, sailing, armor, DFly (we know your opinion), added many more mobs, items, lunar content, seasonal events, rifts, skill trees, world regrowth, etc. There's more content added to DST at this point than it re-used. It doesn't even play the same due to dramatic shifts in balance.

*Personally, I'm irritated that the magic system has been slowly getting stripped away in The Elder Scrolls. Oblivion took away levitation. Skyrim took away custom spells completely.

14 hours ago, Hungry French said:

Lazy Deserter ( BOSS ITEM LOL )

14 hours ago, Hungry French said:

So let's not throw concepts around. The sequel in the gaming industry is generally recognized as continuing not only the plot of the original game, but also as a unique IP without re-use.

I think this creates a contradiction. For example, Final Fantasy is a (very) long-running series with many games. Each one re-uses most of the same monsters and spells. Some of the games have unrelated plots. Others are considered sequels. Crystal Chronicles is a spin-off (and Bravely Default?).

Under your definitions, sequels do not actually exist, because you'd try to slot them into spin-off, re-release, or standalone DLC instead.

Edited November 5, 2025 by Bumber64

[Hungry French]

21 minutes ago, Bumber64 said:

Людям обычно не нравится, когда в сиквелах убирают какие-то функции*. (Полагаю, Teleportato отсутствует.) Нельзя сказать, что серия Animal Crossing — это просто переиздания с Gamecube на Switch, потому что в каждой игре повторно используются 99,9 % жителей и предметов, при этом добавляется что-то новое. Ожидается, что сиквелы будут опираться на существующий контент.

Компания Klei заменила графику на HD, переработала персонажей, изменила подход к фермерству, возрождению, плаванию, DFly, добавила множество новых мобов, предметов, лунных объектов, сезонных событий, разломов, деревьев навыков, восстановления мира и т. д. В DST добавлено больше контента, чем использовано повторно. Из-за кардинальных изменений в балансе игра стала другой.

*Лично меня раздражает, что в The Elder Scrolls постепенно отказываются от магической системы. В Oblivion убрали левитацию. В Skyrim полностью убрали пользовательские заклинания.

There is only additional content in the DST. As it is, it's basically a copy of the DS. Imagine that the DLC for Isaac is sold only as a separate purchase of a separate game. That's what DST is doing. Only DLS are free.

Animal Crossing ?  Although there was a complete change of graphics, not HD textures that can be added to the DS... The DS and DST are on the same engine...

DST came out because Klei didn't want single players to pay for multiplayer. ( What's the point if they abandoned DS Alone lol )

 

[Bumber64]

30 minutes ago, Hungry French said:

The DS and DST are on the same engine...

This point is deceptive. Morrowind, Fallout 3, Skyrim, etc., all use the Gamebryo engine and similar construction kits for modding. However, trying to load a .esp (mod) file from a different game won't work. The other code is too different internally.

Trying to use a DS .lua script in DST is likely to cause crashes due to internal changes (functions, networked data, components, stategraphs, brains). They aren't compatible anymore. DS doesn't understand that there isn't only one player walking around loading areas and doing stuff, and that's not even the half of it. Tropical Experience mod couldn't just lazily drop Shipwrecked and Hamlet code into DST (there's 6 separate developers listed on the Steam page).

Edited November 5, 2025 by Bumber64

[Hungry French]

13 hours ago, Bumber64 said:

Этот момент вводит в заблуждение. В Morrowind, Fallout 3, Skyrim и т. д. используется движок Gamebryo и аналогичные конструкторы для моддинга. Однако попытка загрузить файл .esp (мод) из другой игры не увенчается успехом. Внутренний код слишком отличается.

Попытка использовать скрипт DS .lua в DST, скорее всего, приведёт к сбоям из-за внутренних изменений (функций, сетевых данных, компонентов, графиков состояний, мозгов). Они больше не совместимы. DS не понимает, что в зонах загрузки находится не один игрок, который что-то делает, и это даже не половина проблемы. Разработчики мода Tropical Experience не могли просто взять и добавить в DST код из Shipwrecked и Hamlet (на странице в Steam указаны 6 отдельных разработчиков).

The problem is that the DST code is tailored for multiplayer. We don't have a single player mode...

[oregu]

On 11/3/2025 at 2:45 AM, Edible Coal said:

i feel like this convo strays away from whatever can wheeler be in dst
 

the answer is always yes, klei can always add and make whoever into dst if they wish to , but i have a feeling that they wont do it consider they have to much stuff to work on and a extra character with a new skill tree is the last thing they need 

Yes. If they are to add Wheeler, she would probably be completely different also.