Spider Queen and Ancient Guardian. And Maybe Bee Queen.

[Hungry French]

Spider Queen -

Her spider spawn ability works a bit strangely... Why is it scripted so that it cannot start the birth of spiders in any state other than passive?  Even when you hit her. Because of that, you can kill her and she won't spawn any spider... It doesn't seem to be the way it should be... This makes him another Tree Guardian...

Ancient Guardian - his jump attack... It's not coded correctly... It should happen every 10 seconds, but as with the spider Queen, he
can't do it in any state other than calm...
Although he can do it if you're far away from him, but it's intentionally coded so that he bypasses the timer in such conditions.

About Queen Bee and panflute...
a lot of people are killing her thanks to panfute. Because she flies away and then comes back. This action is called dodge. 
Isn't this kind of behavior harmful to the fight?
If she can't do this, she would be more aggressive, which would require long-range weapons or gunpowder in the second phase, and panflute spam would not be encouraged in the third and fourth phases.

[Mike23Ua]

So let me get this straight, you want bosses to be harder so people less skilled than you suffer trying to defeat them that much more?

I think if anything Klei needs to actually make them easier if fought solo, and getting stronger (with new group focused attacks) when fought in groups. 
a lot of RogueLite games adjust enemy abilities based on how many players are fighting them. And I think if done well… that’s something DST should have too.

For Example: Bee Queen could aim her stinger at a player then butt slam the ground when fighting her solo, this will get her stinger stuck in the ground leaving her vulnerable for a few free cheap hits before breaking free.

When fought in groups: She doesn’t do the get stuck butt slam and instead tries to spear into a player (screen side swipe attacks similar to how Eye of Terror Works)

[Bumber64]

4 hours ago, Mike23Ua said:

So let me get this straight, you want bosses to be harder so people less skilled than you suffer trying to defeat them that much more?

I know enough to assume any such post by this user is in bad faith. They've previously complained that bosses have too high health, and lament that Klei stopped working on the old DS. Probably trying to make bosses miserable for everyone so they can advocate for a health nerf or something, IDK.

Edited August 17, 2025 by Bumber64

[Hungry French]

10 hours ago, Mike23Ua said:

Итак, давайте проясним: вы хотите, чтобы боссы были сложнее, чтобы люди, менее опытные, чем вы, мучились, пытаясь их победить?

Я думаю, что если Клей и должен что-то изменить, так это сделать их более слабыми, если сражаться с ними в одиночку, и более сильными (с новыми групповыми атаками), если сражаться с ними в группе.
Во многих играх RogueLite способности врагов зависят от того, сколько игроков с ними сражаются. И я думаю, что если всё сделать правильно… то же самое должно быть и в DST.

Например, Пчелиная Королева может направить жало на игрока, а затем ударить им о землю во время одиночной атаки. Жало застрянет в земле, и она станет уязвимой для нескольких бесплатных и дешёвых ударов, прежде чем вырвется на свободу.

При сражении в группе: она не наносит удар по заднице, а вместо этого пытается пронзить игрока (атаки с движением руки в сторону экрана, похожие на те, что использует Eye of Terror).

In this case, I'm talking about the incorrect coding of the 2 bosses. 
The spider queen simply cannot perform her function during combat - spider spawn. 
And the guardian cannot do the main feature of the second phase - jumping.
The Queen Bee is just a bonus reflection.

About the bosses... Maybe changing the movie layout is not the best idea. The boss fight set is made in such a way that it would not be fair for solo. Because of this, they require additional items for the battle, which slightly disfigures the preparation.

It's just easier to weaken the hp of the bosses. Ideally, there should be different levels of difficulty. 
And additionally, multiplayer scaling.

6 hours ago, Bumber64 said:

I know enough to assume any such post by this user is in bad faith. They've previously complained that bosses have too high health, and lament that Klei stopped working on the old DS. Probably trying to make bosses miserable for everyone so they can advocate for a health nerf or something, IDK.

At the moment, I've come to terms with the abandonment of DS. 
And these changes won't make Spider Queen and Ancient Guardian unbearable. We'll just make their movie set doable.
Imagine that any other boss cancels his abilities because you hit her... It's not right somehow.

6 hours ago, Bumber64 said:

I know enough to assume any such post by this user is in bad faith. They've previously complained that bosses have too high health, and lament that Klei stopped working on the old DS. Probably trying to make bosses miserable for everyone so they can advocate for a health nerf or something, IDK.

Since I kill a lot of bosses with different hp scores.
And so far I've come to the conclusion that the hp of bosses should be more dependent on the movset, which makes them fun or boring. 
Daywalker, Frost Jaw or Klaus are pretty funny bosses, even though they have about 4 times more hp than in DS, all because they are diverse.
The same Shadow Pieces are the most boring bosses in the third phase. Dodging a single attack of 7500-10000 hp is absolutely boring. As if Deerclops or Bearger had 8000 and 12000 hp...
At the same time, I believe that Eye of Terror and Antlion could have higher hp. 
Antlion feels great with 12,000 hp. And the Eye of Terror with 10,000 hp. 
Although it is obvious that there should be more in the team because there are 6 people who can strengthen each other... This is not normal...

[Mike23Ua]

From my point of view having bought this game for at least 30 people by now, it’s not the easiest game to get into… and it can take such a long long time (literal hours) before players get to experience anything new or exciting going down in the game world.

I know it’s not everyone’s cup of Tea so to Speak… but I can’t help but shake the feeling that it COULD BE, if only Klei were just a little more lenient on how they expect us to play the game.

Take myself for example: I highly dislike games that follow a predictable pattern you can learn and beat easily, which is why my favorite genre of game is RogueLites: Sure I can learn enemy patterns and behaviors, unless they have multiple combat scenarios. But what I can not learn is picking up a scroll that applies a negative effect on my character I wasn’t ready for (such as jumping causes you to catch on fire and take self damage)

When it comes to DST I like to play with world Gen settings (highly random) random season starts, lengths, etc.. because I’m looking for that Unpredictable “Wrench” to get thrown into my plans.

Everyone who comes on these forums knows I absolutely HATE DST boss fights, but no one has dared to ever stop and ask me why. They automatically assume that I hate them because I can’t do them.

And that’s only Partially true: I hate them because they’re meant to be done in a group, and do not scale downward to be more enjoyable if playing solo.

I will NEVER understand why Dragonfly Faints to the ground so players can get free hits in on her if a group attacks her, but if playing solo it’s almost impossible to reach the *faint mechanic* threshold alone.

Pair that alongside the bosses always being the same every single fight …. Every failed attempt to defeat them they have the same exact attack patterns, you can quickly see where one might grow bored.

TMNT Splintered Fate (Newly Released TMNT RogueLite on Xbox Series X/S) only has 4 bosses (5 if you own the DLC) but what prevents these bosses from becoming the same old boring fight over and over again, is that their entire combat mechanics, maneuvers etc are randomized each run.

I hate DST bosses for several reasons: Fight them Once & it’s the same thing over and over and over again till the ends of time. High amounts of health that take forever to kill Solo..(and that’s assuming you don’t have to roll the world back on your failed attempts) And then sometimes: The loot, reward or whatever you get from fighting them just isn’t worth all the effort you put into fighting them in the first place.

Ive Never fought FrostJaw, I have no use for “Wormhole portals on the ocean”

I have absolutely no idea why every update Klei crams a new boss down our throats, but that’s the route they choose to go down.

TL:DR- Make them fun & Accessible to players of various skill levels but also if we’re going to be fighting the same bosses over and over and over again-learn from TMNT Splintered fate and give them a variety of combat scenarios to make them much less predictable and highly repetitive.

[Hungry French]

35 minutes ago, Mike23Ua said:

С моей точки зрения, учитывая, что я купил эту игру как минимум для 30 человек, она не самая простая для освоения... и может пройти очень много времени (буквально часы), прежде чем игроки увидят что-то новое или захватывающее в игровом мире.

Я знаю, что это, так сказать, не для всех... но я не могу избавиться от ощущения, что это МОГЛО БЫ быть так, если бы Klei была чуть более снисходительна к тому, как мы играем.

Возьмём, к примеру, меня: я терпеть не могу игры с предсказуемым сюжетом, которые можно легко изучить и пройти. Именно поэтому мой любимый жанр игр — RogueLites. Конечно, я могу изучить тактику и поведение врагов, если только у них нет нескольких сценариев боя. Но я не могу предугадать, что подберу свиток, который окажет негативное влияние на моего персонажа, к чему я не был готов (например, если прыгнуть, то ты загоришься и получишь урон).

Когда дело доходит до летнего времени, я люблю экспериментировать с настройками генерации мира (высокая степень случайности), началом и продолжительностью сезонов и т. д., потому что я ищу ту самую непредсказуемую «загвоздку», которая нарушит мои планы.

Все, кто заходит на эти форумы, знают, что я АБСОЛЮТНО НЕНАВИЖУ бои с боссами в DST, но никто не осмеливается спросить меня, почему. Они автоматически предполагают, что я их ненавижу, потому что не могу их пройти.

И это верно лишь отчасти: я ненавижу их, потому что они предназначены для игры в группе и не становятся более увлекательными, если играть в одиночку.

Я НИКОГДА не пойму, почему Стрекоза падает на землю, чтобы игроки могли нанести ей несколько бесплатных ударов, если на неё нападает группа, но если играть в одиночку, то практически невозможно достичь порога *механического падения*.

Добавьте к этому то, что боссы в каждом бою одни и те же... При каждой неудачной попытке победить их они используют одни и те же схемы атак, и вы быстро поймёте, что это может наскучить.

В TMNT Splintered Fate (новая версия TMNT RogueLite для Xbox Series X/S) всего 4 босса (5, если у вас есть дополнение), но эти боссы не превращаются в одно и то же скучное сражение, потому что вся их боевая механика, манёвры и т. д. меняются при каждом прохождении.

Я ненавижу боссов DST по нескольким причинам: сразись с ними один раз, и это будет повторяться снова и снова до скончания времён. У них огромное количество здоровья, и на их убийство в одиночку уходит целая вечность. (И это при условии, что тебе не придётся откатывать мир назад после неудачных попыток.) А иногда: добыча, награда или что-то ещё, что ты получаешь за победу над ними, не стоит всех усилий, которые ты прикладываешь.

Я никогда не сражался с ФростДжо, и мне не нужны «червоточины в океане»

Я совершенно не понимаю, почему с каждым обновлением Klei вставляет нам палки в колёса, но они выбрали именно этот путь.

TL;DR: сделайте их увлекательными и доступными для игроков с разным уровнем подготовки, но при этом, если мы собираемся снова и снова сражаться с одними и теми же боссами, возьмите пример с TMNT Splintered fate и добавьте разнообразие в боевые сценарии, чтобы сделать их менее предсказуемыми и однообразными.

Frostjaw is by the way one of the most adequate bosses for solo. Due to the fact that he's a stun, he takes a lot of damage and gets through in about 2 minutes, so he's not a bad boss.

About the newbies... Yes, DST is not easy for beginners, but this is not simplicity that comes from ignorance. 
Klei left a lot of cheese items.
1. Butterfly wings, after which the regeneration of health becomes a trifle outside of winter.
2. Collecting flowers makes it so that you almost don't go crazy, which makes more experienced players go without sanity clothes even in winter...
3. The cheapness of the scientific and alchemical machine, which makes it possible to skip all the initial items like grass armor and a wreath of flowers...
4. A bird cage that turns meat A monster of any corruption in very powerful eggs...
perogies... Eggs and bacon... Cactus...
And when the players find out about the ice... They'll be full for a whole year because it's the cheapest and most powerful food filler in the game...
5.Eyebrella, which makes the spring mechanics non-existent and you won't even lose your backpack.
And in combination with Luxery Fan, it makes summer a joke.
6. In winter, this function is performed by the Beefalo hat. And frostbite ceases to be a problem due to the fact that trees burn for 45 seconds, as opposed to 15 in DC.
Gone are the days when it was necessary to prepare rigidly in the fall in order to warm up in the winter...
7. Tumbleweeds... They're certainly not that strong, but the point of winter in DS was that you're limited to all plant resources. Your only salvation is the thorny bushes... Or careful preparation and gathering...
there are many more similar cheesy tactics and things...

Even if you look at the armor system... Mobs and bosses can essentially be tanked in armor... Because you take almost no damage...
Marble armor, for example, is conceived as a very strong defense, but it's hard to dodge it... As a result, the players just started to tank in it, because 95% protection is too much. Klei even made her craft cheaper and added beans...

Or a sanity system. All sources of sanity in the game say that this is a negative indicator that prevents you from playing. And it's visible visually, and at night annoying Charlie wants to put out your campfire.
And with almost a minimum, they appear. The shadows want to kill you, and you almost have to fight them. And for killing them, you get... It is a very powerful resource for all crafts and this has led to the fact that many players ignore the fall of sanity for the sake of farming... 
Or a shadow amulet. Its main function is to use the shadow changes of the world to its advantage. Seeing is invisible. As a result, it can be used to regenerate the mind... And for farm fuel...

And i can still remember a lot of things like that.

I haven't mentioned the skill tree and characters yet.
Wortox is a good example of a character who is able to get sanity and hp out of nothing and teleport to everyone at the same time. And I didn't even mention his Skill Trees...