[Poll] On the Hostile Takeover Update, Postmortem

[Echsrick]

overall it was a nothing update, boss not well made, rewards of defeating boss are worthless, pearl destruction, "the end" of the moon story i guess? wich allready that feels still unfinished, like its just "wagstaff died, the end" and the rifts still are open....


no drying racks?

[DaZoul]

overall it was a pretty cool update. Boss is awesome, both parts are tough as nails, first phase has some very creative attacks, second phase seems simple but is very anxiety inducing with its gimmick, ensuring a fight where you'll be on the edge of your seat. The rewards are neat, not mind-boggling but good enough I'd say, considering I'm mainly here for the fun of the battle and the quest itself. Pearl's eviction is hilarious and thematic, but also a cool opportunity for more base-building. While this is coined the end of the lunar arc, it kinda isn't since it literally gave us a new unanswered question, that being "what the hell happened to Wagstaff". Very excited to see what the shadow counterpart will be, and of course the big overall conclusion that is sure to follow.

Shame it's unfinished but whatever. We'll get the rest of the stuff in patches they said, so basically nothing's changed aside that it's no longer on the beta branch.

[AliceShiki]

3 hours ago, GenomeSquirrel said:

Never mistake negative testimony with a lack of kindness, in a content where we are keeping Klei alive based on our enjoyment of the game and willingness to purchase skins, being honest is the kindest thing to do, lies are not constructive, praising something you hate may lead to more of it  ... 

I mean... To be quite frank, all those people who love complaining about the game non-stop are just doing a disservice for themselves. They should just quit the game and play other stuff instead.

Like, Klei obviously wants more players, but players don't need to care about what Klei wants, they just need to care about themselves.

If you (plural "you", btw. Not talking about you in specific) dislike the current direction of the game... Why bother with playing it? Go play something else, there are thousands of amazing games to play out there, there's no need to stick to a game you dislike.

So uhn... Yeah, I can easily relate to the people who are tired of the overly negative people. It's just annoying. That's not to say constructive feedback isn't important (it absolutely is), but if all your posts in basically every thread are just complaining non-stop about how the game is no longer feeling fun for you... Then just go play something else, geez. Stop interacting with stuff that isn't fun for you, sunken cost fallacy is a fallacy for a reason.

The current direction of the game is obviously successful, so no amount of forum whining will change that. Klei is not going to change the direction they're going with in DST's development because it's clearly working for them... Of course, DST can eventually fail for sure (we have seen it happen with other live-service games in the past), but if that happens, it will be because Klei kept shooting itself in the foot over and over again, not because they decided to make design decisions people on forums dislike while the game keeps growing.

[AliceShiki]

2 minutes ago, milsonmeow said:

as if Klei hadn't done this over and over again in recent times

Considering the current player count, they haven't.

We can only say they have shot themselves in the foot when the player count starts going down, not up. Until then, they're doing things right.

[Echsrick]

oh yea not to forget they dit not even add new scrap book entries....just another thing that got rushed

[SilverSpoon]

1 hour ago, AliceShiki said:

The current direction of the game is obviously successful, so no amount of forum whining will change that. Klei is not going to change the direction they're going with in DST's development because it's clearly working for them...

TouhouMate, please consider that before we spoke up, Klei was planning on giving Walter a skill tree to badge Woby.

Edited June 15, 2025 by SilverSpoon

[xhyom]

5 minutes ago, SilverSpoon said:

TouhouMate, please consider that when before we spoke up, Klei was planning on giving Walter a skill tree to badge Woby.

Walter mains should just go find another character to play, or another game. Player count didn't go down so clearly the masses wanted badge Woby skilltree, but since the player count didn't drop when they changed to a good skilltree either we can only conclude that I don't remember what the point is this doesn't mean anything at all about what I'm talking about anyway

[AliceShiki]

14 minutes ago, SilverSpoon said:

TouhouMate, please consider that before we spoke up, Klei was planning on giving Walter a skill tree to badge Woby.

Like I said before, I don't think constructive criticism is bad. What Walter got was absolutely constructive criticism and was totally valid and definitely made the final result much better than the original design Klei had come up with.

What I was referring to in my post was more towards those few specific posters that keep on making doom and gloom posts on basically every single time they post on these forums. Those are the ones that I think that could probably stop playing because they're obviously not happy with the current direction of the game.

But yeah, I don't disagree that the feedback is important. Klei wouldn't make the betas if they didn't care about the feedback. It definitely makes the game better. We wouldn't have gotten the Crab Rehomer or the changes to how the new boss fight works without the feedback, so it definitely does matter.

... Some people just love whining non-stop instead of giving feedback though, and it's annoying to see their posts, and they probably aren't happy playing the game anyways, so I don't get why they're still active in the forums in the first place.

So uhn... Yeah, feedback is good. Non-stop complaints about anything and everything OTOH is just annoying.

... For what it's worth, I'm definitely not trying to force anyone to stop playing (not like I can do it anyways), it was more of a call out, like... "If you're so unhappy about anything and everything Klei does, why are you still here? Go have fun playing something you actually enjoy instead of wasting your time here." It's really just towards those specific "I'll always post to complain and for nothing else" posters that I was making my post for, not towards people who give feedback on betas.

Edited June 15, 2025 by AliceShiki

[FillerText]

2 hours ago, Echsrick said:

Rewards of defeating boss are worthless

I keep hearing this sentiment despite the fact that it is perfectly in line with all other boss drops. How would you even buff it to make it not worthless in your eyes?  

[SilverSpoon]

1 hour ago, AliceShiki said:

... Some people just love whining non-stop instead of giving feedback though, and it's annoying to see their posts, and they probably aren't happy playing the game anyways, so I don't get why they're still active in the forums in the first place.

So uhn... Yeah, feedback is good. Non-stop complaints about anything and everything OTOH is just annoying.

... For what it's worth, I'm definitely not trying to force anyone to stop playing (not like I can do it anyways), it was more of a call out, like... "If you're so unhappy about anything and everything Klei does, why are you still here? Go have fun playing something you actually enjoy instead of wasting your time here." It's really just towards those specific "I'll always post to complain and for nothing else" posters that I was making my post for, not towards people who give feedback on betas.

I understand that there are some skeptics, cynic, jackass, or pessimists who make continuously negative comments among us. But I think that it comes from a deep love for the game, and they are almost always somehow trying to give constructive feedback. Such people should be respected as long as they don't cross the line.

And I couldn't see someone among us who keeps complaining for just trolling or schadenfreude. Even if there are people like that based on your evidence, it's up to the admins to decide and handle that, not us. In fact, i think that those who acted that way have continued to be dealt with up to now.

Edit: That said, I could understand that your wish and concerned to keep the community in a beneficial place for the game, that's valid. Sorry for my capricious to add this as an edit after your reply.

Edited June 15, 2025 by SilverSpoon

[AliceShiki]

19 minutes ago, SilverSpoon said:

I understand that there are some skeptics, cynic, jackass, or pessimists who make continuously negative comments among us. But I think that it comes from a deep love for the game, and they are almost always somehow trying to give constructive feedback. Such people should be respected as long as they don't cross the line.

And I couldn't see someone among us who keeps complaining for just trolling or schadenfreude. Even if there are people like that based on your evidence, it's up to the admins to decide and handle that, not us. In fact, i think that those who acted that way have continued to be dealt with up to now.

Ah, they aren't crossing the line, for what it's worth, so the forum mods aren't really doing anything. They're just being annoying with the constant complaints.

I could see it in theory being based on a place of love, like... Evelo was definitely someone who loved the game and was disappointed, but they were also a very reasonable person who knew how to phrase themselves and knew that the experience they wanted didn't necessarily align with what Klei wanted to deliver. I haven't talked much to Evelo myself, but they definitely felt like a very reasonable person in what they wanted and what expectations they set... Which is not the case for some people who seem to just love to complain for the sake of complaining, and that's what was starting to get kinda annoying.

[Lovens]

What should I do if I loved playing this game until the recent update, and suddenly Klei's actions when handling this beta feedback and the following release spoiled my enjoyment of my once favourite game? What if still love this game but absolutely hate this current update and I wish it never happened? Where else can I voice my frustration with it and explain why I feel this way, still hoping that maybe one of the Klei members reads my (and other disappointed players') posts here and realize that they did something wrong, for once? I mean, look at the number of comments criticising this update or showing their disappointment. Look at how many people voted for "Pearl's eviction" as the worst part of this update? If I were a game dev who cared about player feedback and enjoyment with the game I would have at least acknowledged it and then tried to brainstorm ways to adjust or fix the things that were rushed or disliked by the community. This is why I'm still here, not willing to accept the bs plot line with Pearl's eviction. Because we could have had it handled so much better, and players deserve a more thought out end of the biggest and most important plot lines in this game. 

Edited June 15, 2025 by Lovens

[AliceShiki]

25 minutes ago, Lovens said:

What should I do if I loved playing this game until the recent update, and suddenly Klei's actions when handling this beta feedback and the following release spoiled my enjoyment of my once favourite game? What if still love this game but absolutely hate this current update and I wish it never happened? Where else can I voice my frustration with it and explain why I feel this way, still hoping that maybe one of the Klei members reads my (and other disappointed players') posts here and realize that they did something wrong, for once? I mean, look at the number of comments criticising this update or showing their disappointment. Look at how many people voted for "Pearl's eviction" as the worst part of this update? If I were a game dev who cared about player feedback and enjoyment with the game I would have at least acknowledged it and then tried to brainstorm ways to adjust or fix the things that were rushed or disliked by the community. This is why I'm still here, not willing to accept the bs plot line with Pearl's eviction. Because we could have had it handled so much better, and players deserve a more thought out end of the biggest and most important plot lines in this game. 

I wasn't talking about you, for what it's worth.

But yeah, I get your frustration. Can't say I ever cared about Pearl's Island in the slightest, but I get where your frustration comes from, and I get the need to vent.

If anything, I don't think the devs will make any changes at this point based on more feedback on this issue, for what it's worth, like... If they have plans to change things around due to feedback they might do it, and if they don't have those plans, then I think they won't do it at all at this point... But that's just how I see it and I definitely can't speak for the devs, so... Who knows?

I definitely don't think that it showing on the short makes the Pearl Eviction set in stone, since the Woby badges appeared on the short and Walter was still reworked. I just don't think that more feedback on this issue in particular will change the devs' minds... They probably either have plans for it, or don't and that will be that... I think.

[GamePlayer42]

On 6/13/2025 at 9:36 PM, xDarkSoul18x said:

2 things mainly. 1 it's weird how suddenly everyone cares about pearl (or ocean content for that matter) as if they didn't just do her quest and completely abandon her, like let's be real here. Lore wise it makes sense 100%. 2, It's crazy to see the double standards and burnout people are having in real time as if bosses and for a lack of better expression "Objectives" and tiers of loot are "Bad". They have literally been in the game since the first DS game. It honestly just sounds like burnout. These things have always been in the game. It's good to see them wrap the arc up and hopefully now that it's done with, they can focus on adding more QOL and refreshes to the world for all stages of the game. After the shadow arc of course. 

yeah, my personal thoughts on it is that more QOL updates and general improvements from early to midgame will happen once the current content arc is done. its been said in their latest stream that theyre just trying to wrap things up with the arcs so they can focus more on other parts of the game