pearl, don't leave me alone...i can't handle this.

[Bumber64]

52 minutes ago, Mysterious box said:

I mean the alternative is just that Kiel isn't allowed to make unique changes to the world because it might threaten previous builds no? It's kind of a damned if you do damned if you don't scenario.

They could've added a threat like brightshades/grazers to her island. This causes her to hide in her house and complain about what Wagstaff did. The boss can be fought in a different lunar biome (e.g., the grotto) to drive the threat there.

Instead we have to evict her to fight a destructive boss, in an arena we ourselves build (that doesn't even fit on the original island). By contrast, moon quay appeared in the middle of the ocean of existing worlds.

The impact is that players will no longer put effort into basing on Pearl's island pre-rifts, knowing it must be destroyed to progress post-rifts. Even given an item to relocate structures, it would still be a lot of headache, and moon quay isn't suitable due to monkey houses (unless you were basing there to begin with).

Are they also going to mess with popular oasis bases? I somewhat doubt that, considering lunar is done and an oasis is better suited to vitrification than whatever shadow will do. They'll just punish players who bothered to engage with ocean content.

[Draggofroot]

19 hours ago, HowlVoid said:

 

Its not a big loss, the game is about adapting. And unless you abuse roll backs ive lost bases to tragedies in the past. You rebuild. Next game just don't build there.

One of things that has always lured me into this game is base destruction. I think it's more sacrificing gameplay to cater to megabuilders which are the minority of players.

Bro i want to play minecraft, not the uncompromising survival game that I bought

[GimplyGoose]

I mean it is a bummer that your build will get wrecked, but you could always build somewhere else instead.

[Radicaljoe]

3 minutes ago, GimplyGoose said:

I mean it is a bummer that your build will get wrecked, but you could always build somewhere else instead.

There's not many other good islands 

Pearls island is quaint and lacks an extremely annoying mechanic unlike the other options 

[Bumber64]

Just now, Radicaljoe said:

There's not many other good islands 

Especially considering CC island is already a boss arena.

[Radicaljoe]

No lunacy, no raids, no portal constantly spewing monkeys and garbage, no celestial champion fight....OH WAIT

[Bumber64]

Hope everyone likes the cookie boat and dock aesthetic, I guess.

Need grass? Just base in waterlogged. You can get two cut grass for each gator you kill!

Edited May 24, 2025 by Bumber64

[Jakepeng99]

I don’t get why a point of interest people like to make ocean bases at should be destroyed

[Mysterious box]

1 hour ago, Bumber64 said:

They could've added a threat like brightshades/grazers to her island. This causes her to hide in her house and complain about what Wagstaff did. The boss can be fought in a different lunar biome (e.g., the grotto) to drive the threat there.

Instead we have to evict her to fight a destructive boss, in an arena we ourselves build (that doesn't even fit on the original island). By contrast, moon quay appeared in the middle of the ocean of existing worlds.

The impact is that players will no longer put effort into basing on Pearl's island pre-rifts, knowing it must be destroyed to progress post-rifts. Even given an item to relocate structures, it would still be a lot of headache, and moon quay isn't suitable due to monkey houses (unless you were basing there to begin with).

Are they also going to mess with popular oasis bases? I somewhat doubt that, considering lunar is done and an oasis is better suited to vitrification than whatever shadow will do. They'll just punish players who bothered to engage with ocean content.

Whose to say they didn't want to add something like this to the oasis or some place else that people build their stuff there comes a point where them having to fear people basing or decorating in specific places limits what they are allowed to do with what we have. Will someone next get upset if the inner archives under go a massive change due to plot eventually circling back there? Should klei just not touch it because of that? What about ruins bases? That being said I'm not saying people are wrong for feeling like their efforts are wasted after spending such a long time decorating the island but I'm not really a fan of the idea that major story beats can't be placed on other points of interest because someone made a art piece there.

Honestly it reinforces the idea that perhaps it's best we get a don't starve 3 to give more room for world building.

[WenericMember]

3 hours ago, Mysterious box said:

I mean the alternative is just that Kiel isn't allowed to make unique changes to the world because it might threaten previous builds no? It's kind of a damned if you do damned if you don't scenario.

That's basically my opinion too. 

yes the game should aim to accommodate megabasers whenever possible, but it should never be to the point where it constricts the standard gameplay experience. And Base destruction IS part of that intended experience. Even from the very start- things like Wildfires and deerclops destroy your base.

Edited May 24, 2025 by WenericMember

[Bumber64]

13 minutes ago, Mysterious box said:

Will someone next get upset if the inner archives under go a massive change due to plot eventually circling back there? Should klei just not touch it because of that? What about ruins bases?

Those are more like, "Oh, no! The meteor biome got worse!" Pearl's quest actually involves building stuff on her island. You're encouraged to do so.

Edited May 24, 2025 by Bumber64

[Mysterious box]

6 minutes ago, Bumber64 said:

Those are more like, "Oh, no! The meteor biome got worse!" Pearl's quest actually involves building stuff on her island. You're encouraged to do so.

You are encouraged to do so for plot which meant that the island always had the potential to become plot relevant again which it indeed did. Besides even in those other cases like the archives it's not like people would be less upset with that either. 

[Radicaljoe]

32 minutes ago, Mysterious box said:

You are encouraged to do so for plot which meant that the island always had the potential to become plot relevant again which it indeed did. Besides even in those other cases like the archives it's not like people would be less upset with that either. 

Yes, but consider Pearls plot has technically been resolved for years now after we hand her the cracked pearl.

By most standards a second plot where she becomes evicted and lives in an island that had nothing to do with Pearl previously and no other notable connections was not expected.

Edited May 25, 2025 by Radicaljoe

[Bumber64]

37 minutes ago, Mysterious box said:

You are encouraged to do so for plot which meant that the island always had the potential to become plot relevant again which it indeed did. Besides even in those other cases like the archives it's not like people would be less upset with that either. 

Except Pearl's island never looked like a boss arena, and has to be manually modified to even fit the boss. It was a peaceful island in the overworld. It looks like a quest-giver location.

Archives, on the other hand? The place with sentrypedes and an orchestrina that looks like it would fit a boss? (Can you even build on top of that prefab?)

Edited May 25, 2025 by Bumber64

[Waywarbler]

4 minutes ago, Bumber64 said:

Archives, on the other hand? The place with sentrypedes and an orchestrina that looks like it would fit a boss? (Can you even build on top of that prefab?)

I don't know, it doesn't feel right having the final lunar boss be fought underground, out of the "moon's" sight.

[Bumber64]

4 minutes ago, Waywarbler said:

I don't know, it doesn't feel right having the final lunar boss be fought underground, out of the "moon's" sight.

Where is the war to take place, then? Will the final shadow boss be on the surface? The final final boss has to be in one place or another.

Edited May 25, 2025 by Bumber64

[Radicaljoe]

8 minutes ago, Waywarbler said:

I don't know, it doesn't feel right having the final lunar boss be fought underground, out of the "moon's" sight.

Makes some sense to me, the boss can't call for lunar reinforcements/aid when the moon can't see it.

[FillerText]

I just kinda hope that next patch they just add more Islands because forcing Pearl on either of the existing ones sounds absolutely terrible from a gameplay, and logical standpoint. You're sending some Granny to get mugged, and die for a Boss that currently drops nothing. If the average player would never base in that location, then I don't think it makes sense to send Pearl there.

[qwp18]

On 5/24/2025 at 3:32 AM, gaymime said:

it is quite literally impossible for this to occur without you proactively choosing to do it.

It seems pretty sad to have a mandatory action to progress destroy hours upon hours upon house of work

[JustAPineapple]

Looking at this from a 'plot' perspective

I'm really torn on it, because I do think it's a really good chatacter moment for Wagstaff, expressly because he's futzing up your progress in a place players would have invested in as part of the lunar questline, in the name of being a science jerk and what not.

But honestly it might do too good a job at painting Wagstaff as a jerk, because like, why help him at all then?

His motivation is vauge science/making a big death bot. He's so cryptic and mysterious and the few glimpses we do get of his underlying character, like this very instance, don't paint him in a charitable light. So imo there's very little intrinsic reason to help him besides the gameplay challenges and rewards it offers, which of course are enough to do it, but so far from a plot perspective it's very unsatisfying.

He's just not really as interesting as Charlie who is far more of a sympathetic character, which gives a far more intrinsic reason to help her and do her quest when it rolls around.

I really hope klei plans to do more with the hermit after her eviction and that her just being plonked haphazardly on the moon quay, maybe she can get her old home back at some point, or make the moon quay more appealing to her (maybe with the players help to make up for tricking her?)

Or y-know, move the boss arena because I really don't think you need this plot beat with pearl to make the point that Wagstaff, Mr building a death robot that runs off imprisoned moon ghosts, isn't the best guy.

Especially because from a non plot/character beat perspective I do not see a single pro of plonking the boss fight on pearls island.

But that ship might have sailed by this point, and considering the work thats gone into this arena, i feel it's probably here to stay, so I just hope Pearl gets more love afterwards.

[Danila6300]

Oh, these base builders at important points. How they interfere with the development of the plot. I think even if there were other islands, someone would still complain. 

[NoodlemanNed]

On 5/27/2025 at 7:46 PM, JustAPineapple said:

He's just not really as interesting as Charlie who is far more of a sympathetic character, which gives a far more intrinsic reason to help her and do her quest when it rolls around.

ive seen this take in the past but i still wonder what the reason is. The only things we've seen charlie do is kill us in the dark and release abominations from the shadow realm. I get that wagstaff is a big meanie for kicking pearl out of her home but charlie has got to be the furthest thing from a sympathetic character in terms of the overall story.

[Radicaljoe]

11 minutes ago, NoodlemanNed said:

ive seen this take in the past but i still wonder what the reason is. The only things we've seen charlie do is kill us in the dark and release abominations from the shadow realm. I get that wagstaff is a big meanie for kicking pearl out of her home but charlie has got to be the furthest thing from a sympathetic character in terms of the overall story.

Charlie is a victim of circumstances. Maxwell ruined her life, then she gained the power to do what she wants now that she's in charge. There was a point where she was nice and jolly, we know that part of her is still in there. Maxwell says she still remembers his favorite drink, the eggnog. There's obviously something wrong with her body that causes her to attack us. She even attacks her own sister.

Wagstaff just showed up and hasn't had any real emotional backstory or interactions. Like, the earliest footage we have of Wagstaff he mugged a whole theater while saving them, so he's moderately "good." Like, I think the most emotion Wagstaff has shown is during WX short where he starts to worry about WX when they don't seem to remember their humanity. That's like, 2 seconds of face frown, that's the most emotion this old man has shown.

Anyway, Pearl eviction bad, pls change because it doesn't really reinvent the idea most people already had of Wagstaff. Which is "he seems nice, but he'll throw you under the bus as soon as it benefits him."

[Danila6300]

2 hours ago, milsonmeow said:

Look, the very least we can suggest is having a compromise. Wagstaff can still do the tampered map, but we as players should still have the choice to fully heed his orders or to go against it. Player freedom is what makes this game interesting to begin with and even I would hate it if my efforts for several hours go up in flames with little to no reason.

As I said in my thread, if players can modify the tampered map to bring Pearl elsewhere/away from Moon Quay then that's already a decent compromise. Some of my friends love to hang out at Pearl's island even just for fun, and if we can bring Pearl to mainland then that's just the cherry on top.

I think that this possibility should only be there when she is already on the monkey island. For example, how players help her to move again. 

[SilverSpoon]

If the story requires Pearl to be sent to Monkey Island then that's fine, but the battlefield should be on another new island. I'm sure it can be done if it could be done with Ice Sheet. The ocean is more desolate than the wilderness dude!

Or rather, could you please let us create a private island anywhere in the ocean as part of the rewards for this questline?