(sub)optimal Wilson gaming

[Anis5240]

what if I were to post my regular Wilson gaming session here /j

apologize for the cringe visual and audio stutter throughout the video eksdee 

[GrapeVruit]

I mean, the gameplay is nice and all, but what are you trying to show here? What about your gameplay is "suboptimal"? Just looks like an average DST play-through to me.

[Anis5240]

anything, considering some people don't even play him

1 minute ago, GrapeVruit said:

I mean, the gameplay is nice and all, but what are you trying to show here? What about your gameplay is "suboptimal"? Just looks like an average DST play-through to me.

granted it's just like a cut version for the video I currently have (spanning near 2 hours), maybe I'll make a series of sorts or smth

[GrapeVruit]

1 minute ago, Anis5240 said:

anything, considering some people don't even play him

granted it's just like a cut version for the video I currently have (spanning near 2 hours), maybe I'll make a series of sorts or smth

So it's a play-though to showcase Wilson's unique skills?

[Anis5240]

Just now, GrapeVruit said:

So it's a play-though to showcase Wilson's unique skills?

kinda yeah

[GrapeVruit]

Well, okay then. That's not a bad thing to post. Though, it would be good to add some commentary, either written or voiced, to inform players about character exclusive tech, misconceptions, tips and tricks, etc. As it stands right now, it's just a standard DST play-through. I can't really get much out of it.

[Anis5240]

1 minute ago, GrapeVruit said:

either written or voiced

well pardon me for not having good PC to warrant such thing hur dur

[GrapeVruit]

3 minutes ago, Anis5240 said:

well pardon me for not having good PC to warrant such thing hur dur

I didn't mean to provoke you or anything, it's just a suggestion. I just mention it since you talk so passionately about Wilson. I feel you could provide a lot of insight to the character in a format like this.

[Gashzer]

No torch throw? Is the ability to transmute minerals into each other or beefalo wool/meat/beard hair/poo really better than the torch tree?

The answer is ofc not. Torch tree with torch throw is the only unique active mechanic that Wilson has that isn't just crafting.

When used properly it replaces both lantern for general use and starcaller staff for lighting a big area (you can throw a bunch around quickly to create a big light area). This ability is farrrrrr more useful than any transmutation. Alchemy tree is the most overrated tree for Wilson.

[Anis5240]

7 minutes ago, Gashzer said:

beefalo wool

yes i bet you didn't even watch the video in full, huh. as expected.

[aoka404]

9 minutes ago, Gashzer said:

No torch throw? Is the ability to transmute minerals into each other or beefalo wool/meat/beard hair/poo really better than the torch tree?

The answer is ofc not. Torch tree with torch throw is the only unique active mechanic that Wilson has that isn't just crafting.

When used properly it replaces both lantern for general use and starcaller staff for lighting a big area (you can throw a bunch around quickly to create a big light area). This ability is farrrrrr more useful than any transmutation. Alchemy tree is the most overrated tree for Wilson.

No, thank you. I have a better lantern that doesn't need to be made again.

[Gashzer]

9 minutes ago, Anis5240 said:

yes i bet you didn't even watch the video in full, huh. as expected.

I was talking generally.

7 minutes ago, aoka404 said:

No, thank you. I have a better lantern that doesn't need to be made again.

Torch throw torch is better than a lantern. Grass and twigs don't spoil, lightbulbs do. And if you make 9 lanterns in a chest to get around that, that is 27 super torches you could of made conveniently instead.

Check mate 

Its such a shame to see "mains" not utilising the strengths of their character, Wendy mains during the beta didnt see the power of ghastly potion/sisturn 3 to make abigail tank conveniently without needing to worry about the tediousness of making abigail kite during boss fights.

Its like do you guys even play your mains? It's crazy. Stop making your playstyle fit the character and instead change your playstyle to fit the character!

[Anis5240]

3 minutes ago, Gashzer said:

Stop making your playstyle fit the character

ah yes I REALLY, REALLY DISLIKE HOW KLEI MADE HIM THE TORCH GUY, SO I DECIDED TO FORGO EVERYTHING IN HIS TORCH TREE, is that satisfactory to you?

[Gashzer]

3 minutes ago, Anis5240 said:

ah yes I REALLY, REALLY DISLIKE HOW KLEI MADE HIM THE TORCH GUY, SO I DECIDED TO FORGO EVERYTHING IN HIS TORCH TREE, is that satisfactory to you?

He's the torch and beard guy , which funnily enough are his best skills. 

Tbh Wilson is one of the best characters to learn the game with. Beard passively helps with first winter if you make it that far and upgrading torches, which is what a noob is going to use for a while not lanterns. And upgraded torches are awesome for a day 1 science machine ruins rush so it has use for experienced players.

Klei can definitely condensed both beard and torch trees to fit in some new skills. But torch tree gets alot of misguided hate.

[Steorra]

6 minutes ago, Gashzer said:

Torch throw torch is better than a lantern. Grass and twigs don't spoil, lightbulbs do. And if you make 9 lanterns in a chest to get around that, that is 27 super torches you could of made conveniently instead.

Intentionally to be one of the minority won't make you cool or unique. We generally call such behaviour as "Kitsch".

Wilson is never a character who designed for nomadic style which means the spoiling of bulbs doesn't matter in most scenarios for him. He have no neccesary to keep the Lantern away by using his torch skills. 

[Yifei_]

13 minutes ago, Gashzer said:

Its such a shame to see "mains" not utilising the strengths of their character, Wendy mains during the beta didnt see the power of ghastly potion/sisturn 3 to make abigail tank conveniently without needing to worry about the tediousness of making abigail kite during boss fights.

Its like do you guys even play your mains? It's crazy. Stop making your playstyle fit the character and instead change your playstyle to fit the character!

The Obsession and Mockery on Wendy Mains: A Wonderful Journey from Beta Branch to General Discussion.

(Dear moderators, if you think that mocking a specific group of players under a post that has nothing to do with Wendy is in line with the characteristics of “on topic, constructive, and polite,” please delete my reply and feel free to give me a warning. Just don’t lock this thread about Wilson because of my comment—I still want to follow the discussion on Wilson here.)

[Anis5240]

8 minutes ago, Gashzer said:

But torch tree gets alot of misguided hate.

MISGUIDED HATE?????? WHEN YOU LITERALLY GOTTA SPEND 4/7 POINTS JUST FOR A DISCOUNT LANTERN YOU CAN'T EVEN USE TO COOK ON? CAN'T EVEN SET FIRE ON ITEMS/MOBS? AND YOU STILL GOTTA HOLD THE TORCH TO THROW???? AND IT'S JUST 8 WALL TILES????

oh wow truly peak content /EXTREME SARCASM

[Gashzer]

5 minutes ago, Steorra said:

Intentionally to be one of the minority won't make you cool or unique. We generally call such behaviour as "Kitsch".

Wilson is never a character who designed for nomadic style which means the spoiling of bulbs doesn't matter in most scenarios for him. He have no neccesary to keep the Lantern away by using his torch skills. 

Wilson is designed for nomadic style? Built in winter insulation, super cheap/powerful lightsource for cave exploration. Can convert logs into twigs and vice versa for easy access to either more twigs for torches or logs for a campfire or you can burn the excess twigs for ash for healing salves which you can also convert excess flint into rocks for. Healing salves don't spoil making them a nomads best friend.

Wilson is 100% a nomadic character. Do you guys even consider why some skills exist? I think too many people have rigid playstyles.

6 minutes ago, Yifei_ said:

The Obsession and Mockery on Wendy Mains: A Wonderful Journey from Beta Branch to General Discussion.

(Dear moderators, if you think that mocking a specific group of players under a post that has nothing to do with Wendy is in line with the characteristics of “on topic, constructive, and polite,” please delete my reply and feel free to give me a warning. Just don’t lock this thread about Wilson because of my comment—I still want to follow the discussion on Wilson here.)

Less mockery and more of an observation, take offence if you want tho.

[GrapeVruit]

13 minutes ago, Gashzer said:

I was talking generally.

Torch throw torch is better than a lantern. Grass and twigs don't spoil, lightbulbs do. And if you make 9 lanterns in a chest to get around that, that is 27 super torches you could of made conveniently instead.

Check mate 

Its such a shame to see "mains" not utilising the strengths of their character, Wendy mains during the beta didnt see the power of ghastly potion/sisturn 3 to make abigail tank conveniently without needing to worry about the tediousness of making abigail kite during boss fights.

Its like do you guys even play your mains? It's crazy. Stop making your playstyle fit the character and instead change your playstyle to fit the character!

In my current playthrough, I decided to use a fully upgraded torch, and if I'm being honest, it's a really convenient thing to have ealy on, but not so much late game. While not lasting as long as a lantern, you get a light source that's incredibly easy to make and light radius that's large and doesn't diminish.

Though, after awhile, I kinda got sick of having them take up inventory space, especially since I wear chest equipment most of the time, and it did eat into my grass and twig supply a little more than I thought.

I think after I find the moon orb I might respec into icky transmutation or beard skills as I feel I'd get more use from them in the late game, plusthey're a lot more interesting.

Overall, the skill is pretty solid, really convenient if you hate farming lightbulbs, but I wouldn't say better than the lantern, especially when it comes to conserving inventory space.

[linabagel]

Don't pay attention to other people's criticism of your "which skill to choose", please continue this thread; I appreciate your love for wil 

[aoka404]

6 minutes ago, Gashzer said:

I was talking generally.

Torch throw torch is better than a lantern. Grass and twigs don't spoil, lightbulbs do. And if you make 9 lanterns in a chest to get around that, that is 27 super torches you could of made conveniently instead.

Check mate 

Its such a shame to see "mains" not utilising the strengths of their character, Wendy mains during the beta didnt see the power of ghastly potion/sisturn 3 to make abigail tank conveniently without needing to worry about the tediousness of making abigail kite during boss fights.

Its like do you guys even play your mains? It's crazy. Stop making your playstyle fit the character and instead change your playstyle to fit the character!

Hand-held lighting tools, even if it is a lantern, I generally do not use, and head lighting equipment is a priority choice that can free up hands to deal with emergencies.

The final use of a torch is to burn something to keep warm in winter or to light gunpowder. The fuel for the lantern can be too cheap, and a lot can be collected at will. And Wilson's torch, no matter how powerful, the range or duration of illumination is completely inferior to the lantern and mine lamp cap.

Take less unrelated reasons to justify, the torch is the early emergency lighting items. Being dependent on it is like not being able to give up a pacifier.

Your opinion can show that your game level is a rookie level.

[Gashzer]

12 minutes ago, linabagel said:

Don't pay attention to other people's criticism of your "which skill to choose", please continue this thread; I appreciate your love for wil 

I love Wilson too, the criticism comes from a place of love for his torch throw  

15 minutes ago, Anis5240 said:

MISGUIDED HATE?????? WHEN YOU LITERALLY GOTTA SPEND 4/7 POINTS JUST FOR A DISCOUNT LANTERN YOU CAN'T EVEN USE TO COOK ON? CAN'T EVEN SET FIRE ON ITEMS/MOBS? AND YOU STILL GOTTA HOLD THE TORCH TO THROW???? AND IT'S JUST 8 WALL TILES????

oh wow truly peak content /EXTREME SARCASM

Yeah i agree that Klei could do with condensing both the torch and beard trees for new skills. But are the 7 points better spent on transmutation? Does anyone actually use gem transmute except for iridescent? Does anyone use icky 2 and 3? 

Unless you are rushing for archives all the gem transmutes are wasted, icky 2 and 3 are bad. That's 5 skills right there. Beard storage is meh, 6 skills. Last mineral transmute is OK for marble but the cut stone cost is too high especially when we have so much marble these days with nightmare werepig and what not, that's 7skills. Gimme that OP torch throw, ty very much!

[Anis5240]

12 minutes ago, Gashzer said:

anyone use icky 2

YES I DO GODDAMNIT

[GrapeVruit]

5 minutes ago, aoka404 said:

Take less unrelated reasons to justify, the torch is the early emergency lighting items. Being dependent on it is like not being able to give up a pacifier.

Your opinion can show that your game level is a rookie level.

No matter what you're stance is on the miner hat and the torch is, I don't think it's wise to mock people as rookies because they like using a torch. It's not only rude but it could cause the thread to become off topic with heated back-and-forth arguments. You can disagree with their choices but don't imply with a snarky comment that their opinion is invalid.

[Steorra]

20 minutes ago, Anis5240 said:

MISGUIDED HATE?????? WHEN YOU LITERALLY GOTTA SPEND 4/7 POINTS JUST FOR A DISCOUNT LANTERN YOU CAN'T EVEN USE TO COOK ON? CAN'T EVEN SET FIRE ON ITEMS/MOBS? AND YOU STILL GOTTA HOLD THE TORCH TO THROW???? AND IT'S JUST 8 WALL TILES????

oh wow truly peak content /EXTREME SARCASM

It's just a bait. Be chill. We cannot lose you if we want Wilson get something better.

18 minutes ago, Gashzer said:

Wilson is 100% a nomadic character. Do you guys even consider why some skills exist? I think too many people have rigid playstyles.

When you judge a character as "100% for a XXX style" your "rigid" word just become a boomerang to yourself.

DST is a game of resources collecting, base building and surviving. A nomadic character should have good ability for helping them collecting stuffs (Woby There, portable rack) for diminish the base building requirements for those characters (or to dimish their resources needed in long-term nomadic gameplay). Wilson's beard and torch lines only helps a few for his endurance in wild, but not enough for making him become a "Nomadic" character - or, if you feel these are enough, then EVERY characters could be a "Nomadic" character in this scenario (with your skill level which is enough to making Wilson have a nomadic gameplay).