Wendy actually a bad glass cannon in boss combat and how to fix this

[Gashzer]

Just now, Yaorin yon said:

Are you saying that an enemy that Bernie can easily kill requires you to die many times with Abigail to defeat, while Willow just needs to stand by and not even bother to use fire magic?

Takes bernie 5 business days to kill anything. Dps is not bernies role. If you are happy waiting 20 years for Bernie to kill things, that doesn't make Bernie good that just makes you an insanely patient person. 

Abigail has a higher dps than Bernie while also boosting Wendy's dps at the same time. If Bernie dies you need to go out of your way to make a sewing kit or new Bernie, it's a hassle. 

[Yaorin yon]

3 minutes ago, Gashzer said:

Takes bernie 5 business days to kill anything. Dps is not bernies role. If you are happy waiting 20 years for Bernie to kill things, that doesn't make Bernie good that just makes you an insanely patient person.

Abigail has a higher dps than Bernie while also boosting Wendy's dps at the same time. If Bernie dies you need to go out of your way to make a sewing kit or new Bernie, it's a hassle.

It takes not only just three minutes, but Bernie doesn't die at all.

 

【位面伯尼单挑巨鹿——去吧，提伯斯-哔哩哔哩】 https://b23.tv/BiEnKSX

 

[Dingle]

22 minutes ago, Yaorin yon said:

It takes not only just three minutes, but Bernie doesn't die at all.

 

【位面伯尼单挑巨鹿——去吧，提伯斯-哔哩哔哩】 https://b23.tv/BiEnKSX

 

Aren't Wendy and Willow different characters, though?

I know it gets confusing sometimes. Everyone's name starts with a W. Except Maxwell.

Just a reminder that Willow and Wendy are in fact, different characters. With different playstyles and strengths.

I hope that's helpful to you!

[Yaorin yon]

3 minutes ago, Dingle said:

Aren't Wendy and Willow different characters, though?

I know it gets confusing sometimes. Everyone's name starts with a W. Except Maxwell.

Just a reminder that Willow and Wendy are in fact, different characters. With different playstyles and strengths.

I hope that's helpful to you!

Thank you. Although I feel like Willow completely outshines Wendy in every aspect. I need to constantly juggle Abigail like a circus ball handler to achieve what Willow can easily do by just taking Bernie out of her backpack and casually casting fire magic.

[Debruh]

1 hour ago, Dingle said:

Aren't Wendy and Willow different characters, though?

I know it gets confusing sometimes. Everyone's name starts with a W. Except Maxwell.

Just a reminder that Willow and Wendy are in fact, different characters. With different playstyles and strengths.

I hope that's helpful to you!

1 hour ago, Yaorin yon said:

Thank you. Although I feel like Willow completely outshines Wendy in every aspect. I need to constantly juggle Abigail like a circus ball handler to achieve what Willow can easily do by just taking Bernie out of her backpack and casually casting fire magic.

Willow ain't as fun as Wendy imo ngl

A lot of combat is just

Light enemy on fire > hold F. No matter the enemy.

And while Wendy is basically an afk for weaker enemies, as they get stronger, you interact with them much more deeply and kite them differently based on their aggro in order to save yourself and Abby. You can also use fire, but instead of using it and holding F, you time it correctly in order to make the mob panic so that Abby can wail on them, but not kill them. And once you kill dragonfly, you can join Abby in wailing on them. And a lot of bosses feel like well, bosses. They're big threats that threaten you and Abby.

But not just Dfly gives you an upgrade, with the new tree, a lot does. Get to pearl or lunar? You get player tag for Abby if you have the skill. You get broken shells? Congrats! You can move a grave! Some other stuff too.

You also feel progression much more heavily.

Pre rifts, beef are Wendy's greatest asset, so post rifts when they fall off and planar damage remedies Wendy's downside a bit. It actually feels like a jarring change. It feels like not only the world, but Wendy herself with this new type of damage changed. Like the world is more dangerous, but she is more self reliant.

I could ramble more but eh.

[Cassielu]

After more full experience with Team Spirit, I think my "Business Ghost" proposal is a bad idea, not better than Team Spirit.

Still, I stand by the fact that the "broken glass cannon" is real problem that needs to be solved, Business Ghost  just doesn't solve it well: Wendy requires far more input in a boss fight than any other combat character, but there are no corresponding rewards to encourage her to do so. And Gestalt Abigail just remove Wendy's identity, both her advantages and disadvantages disappear, into a small Wolfgang with independent mightness bar.

At the same time, this requirement for input goes against DST new act style boss combat design, where the new bosses like Armored Bearger, Scrappy Werepig and Frostjaw require that you use all the maneuverability and reaction time you have at the current stage to dodge. Otherwise you'll take a more hit  punishment than old bosses. In this case, managing the Abby's position is conflict with enjoying the fun of dodge.