The deliver skill of Woby (Woby there here) do need a cost for lore's & balance's sake

[Dyzrespect]

1 hour ago, SilverSpoon said:

To be honest, I also don't like to use QoL degradation as a downside. But Wendy who you mentioned, has also been rejected because "No effort" from the forums people for "AFK Gestabby", "Tanky Abigail" and "Morning Growly auto-farming" . So to allow it on another character would be a double standard.

Wendy was repeatedly nerfed, as people on the forums wanted. That has become a fait accompli and now a thing of the past. Now just it's Walter's turn.

I think this shows that your arguments are not based on the reality of the situation, but as a tangential emotional response to Wendy's tree changes. If you are not satisfied with how that turned out, why do you wish to spread that dissatisfaction to other updates?

1 hour ago, SilverSpoon said:

Each method has its own downside.

• The Burrowing Horn: Can only be used 3 times per one inventory slot, and has only 12 slots.
• Shadow Chester: Requires another player to use it as a transport, and requires you to have built a Magician's Chest as Maxwell or be playing as Maxwell.
• Rift Watches: Uses purple gems. Backtrek Watches also require 1 tusk per point, and are Wanda-only.
• Elastispacers: Couldn't use for transport. Post-Rift, expensive.
• Wormholes: Fixed points, ground-only, sanity drain.
• Telelocators: Uses 3 purple gems per use.
• Wortox: Uses up to 20 souls. And also, Walter who Survival+Shooter shouldn't have more transport power than Wortox who Teleporter+Healer.

In comparison, WHWT have too few downsides and seem excessive for a single character to have power.

Let's finish your "downsides" list for completeness.

• WH,WT: Can only be used in one singular preset spot, or sent to players carrying a compass or near an ocuvigil, in the same dimension, you lose access to Woby for the duration, and invest in 3 extraneous scouting skills you almost undoubtedly won't need in the late game.

There, now it fits right in, just needed to not pretend that there aren't already tradeoffs.

[YouKnowWho142]

7 minutes ago, Dyzrespect said:

I think this shows that your arguments are not based on the reality of the situation, but as a tangential emotional response to Wendy's tree changes. If you are not satisfied with how that turned out, why do you wish to spread that dissatisfaction to other updates?

Let's finish your "downsides" list for completeness.

• WH,WT: Can only be used in one singular preset spot, or sent to players carrying a compass or near an ocuvigil, in the same dimension, you lose access to Woby for the duration, and invest in 3 extraneous scouting skills you almost undoubtedly won't need in the late game.

There, now it fits right in, just needed to not pretend that there aren't already tradeoffs.

I think it's worrying the amount of misinformation that is being spread from Walter's new skill, ignoring the inherent downsides of the skill that you mentioned to prove a strange point about it being op compared to other options that are much more accessible is wild. It doesn't even feel like there's any basis for nerfs on WH,WT since it comes off as vocally petty people who posted nonstop about how Wendy received nerfs but Walter hasn't.

[SilverSpoon]

1 hour ago, Dyzrespect said:

Can only be used in one singular preset spot, or sent to players carrying a compass or near an ocuvigil, in the same dimension

Yes, this is a clear downside compared to other methods, I'm sorry. But I think that being able to transport from "player to base" or "player to player" at no cost is still too strong.

1 hour ago, Dyzrespect said:

you lose access to Woby for the duration

This may be a bug, but WHWT transports seem to complete instantly regardless of distance.

1 hour ago, Dyzrespect said:

invest in 3 extraneous scouting skills you almost undoubtedly won't need in the late game.

Do you think so? I think Twine Twirler, Special Treat, and Pioneer's Panache are strong in even the late game.

In conclusion, I still would argue that WHWT is too powerful because it  solves the "bringing items home" problem in the game at 0 cost per transport. Maxwell, Woltox,  and Winona (and Wanda, She's almost like a paid character...) are capable of this level of transportation, but WHWT is stronger than them, and giving such an ability to Worter, who already has a variety of character perks, is excessive.

 

1 hour ago, Dyzrespect said:

I think this shows that your arguments are not based on the reality of the situation, but as a tangential emotional response to Wendy's tree changes. If you are not satisfied with how that turned out, why do you wish to spread that dissatisfaction to other updates?

1 hour ago, YouKnowWho142 said:

I think it's worrying the amount of misinformation that is being spread from Walter's new skill, ignoring the inherent downsides of the skill that you mentioned to prove a strange point about it being op compared to other options that are much more accessible is wild. It doesn't even feel like there's any basis for nerfs on WH,WT since it comes off as vocally petty people who posted nonstop about how Wendy received nerfs but Walter hasn't.

Okay, so let me get this straight: I'm a Woodie main, Wigfrid and Wurt subs, so I don't have any particular thought or feeling for Wendy. In fact, I prefer Walter in this beta.

What I really care about is, All of Wendy Player and all of other players, all character balance to keep the game fun making sure no one character is too strong or too weak, and one of the part of the forum we will always be fair.

I remember that  ton of people on the forums were asking for Nerf Wendy. and actually Wendy was repeatedly nerfed. Currently, to request to Nerf Walter is still not out of line with the logic and politeness of voice of request Nerf Wendy at the time. It happened and was an accepted on the forum, so there is no bad thing.

[Steorra]

10 hours ago, Dr. Safety said:

on perks that are overall underwhelming

No? They are fine enough.

2 hours ago, YouKnowWho142 said:

I think it's worrying the amount of misinformation that is being spread from Walter's new skill, ignoring the inherent downsides of the skill that you mentioned to prove a strange point about it being op compared to other options that are much more accessible is wild. It doesn't even feel like there's any basis for nerfs on WH,WT since it comes off as vocally petty people who posted nonstop about how Wendy received nerfs but Walter hasn't.

I do play Walter. I know how good WHWT it is.

2 hours ago, Dyzrespect said:

but as a tangential emotional response to Wendy's tree changes.

Daily remember that others emotions are none of your business, Samely your emotions are none of others. This forum is working for feedback, but not working for appeasing any of yours emotions. Don't lead the topic off. It's helps nothing to our devs or to the OP discussion.

[Dyzrespect]

12 minutes ago, Steorra said:

Daily remember that others emotions are none of your business, Samely your emotions are none of others. This forum is working for feedback, but not working for appeasing any of yours emotions. Don't lead the topic off. It's helps nothing to our devs or to the OP discussion.

Emotional arguments towards making changes based on misplaced resentment towards Wendy changes are not feedback, and most of your posts and others lately have been the opposite of constructive and objective. They are chock full of untested and untrue information, based on "vibes" of Walter needing to be "balanced" because Wendy was reduced in power, as SilverSpoon stated:

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Wendy was repeatedly nerfed, as people on the forums wanted. That has become a fait accompli and now a thing of the past. Now just it's Walter's turn.

Practice what you are preaching and don't pretend you are being genuine when you are not.

[Steorra]

2 minutes ago, Dyzrespect said:

Emotional arguments towards making changes based on misplaced resentment towards Wendy changes are not feedback, and most of your posts and others lately have been the opposite of constructive and objective.

that's your own judgement, none of my or Klei's business. 

And we already have a potential explanation about why you always tried to make my post being a personally thing:

 

4 minutes ago, Dyzrespect said:

They are chock full of untested and untrue information

you could simply point out which is untested and untrue.

 To use A "Bug misunderstood" to deny ALL my arguments and game experiences of Walter is illogical, though I do know you need no logical for this scenario huh?

[Dyzrespect]

2 minutes ago, Steorra said:

that's your own judgement, none of my or Klei's business. 

And we already have a potential explanation about why you always tried to make my post being a personally thing:

 

My comments in this post were not related to anything you have said, simply to what I quoted SilverSpoon saying. If you do not share that sentiment then it isn't directed towards you.

[SilverSpoon]

37 minutes ago, Dyzrespect said:

They are chock full of untested and untrue information, based on "vibes" of Walter needing to be "balanced" because Wendy was reduced in power, as SilverSpoon stated:

25 minutes ago, Dyzrespect said:

My comments in this post were not related to anything you have said, simply to what I quoted SilverSpoon saying. If you do not share that sentiment then it isn't directed towards you.

We are not making a nerf request "because Wendy was nerfed."

We are making a nerf request "because we feel that WHWT is not balanced," and we mention Wendy because we need to take evidence and legitimacy it on the Nerf standards that have been implemented in the past.

And please stop using my posts like that.

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I don't know if the Community Manager will allow me to say this, but please stop getting personal with us and trying to make us seem like we're spouting rubbish in maliciously. Please discuss about the opinions, please don't discuss about people who are talking the opinions.

[ArcAngela]

It is impossible to take Woby Here, Woby There without sacrificing some aspect of Walter's Skill Tree by the sheer nature of requiring 4 Insight.

You either sacrifice Affinity skills, Woby skills, or Slingshot skills as a trade-off. I believe this makes it fairly balanced already since you're weighting it against the entire tree if you want this ability. A hunger cost is nonsensical for small Woby and a cooldown is just adding nuisance cases where you can't use it.

This skill really doesn't need nerfs when it is locked behind Scouting perks, it already sacrifices firepower or Woby strengths as a result.

Also, what??

4 hours ago, SilverSpoon said:

Wendy was repeatedly nerfed, as people on the forums wanted. That has become a fait accompli and now a thing of the past. Now just it's Walter's turn.

Don't fall for that ragebait, that's just ridiculous.

[SilverSpoon]

4 hours ago, ArcAngela said:

Don't fall for that ragebait, that's just ridiculous.

Why...

Wendy was definitely OP at one time. Then peaple ask Nerf Wendy was on the forum and she was actually Nerfed.

And now, at least I think WHWT is OP, so I'm asking Nerf request. Again, I'm not making a nerf request "because Wendy was nerfed." I'm making a nerf request "because we feel that WHWT is not balanced," and of course I have no ill will or desire for revenge.

[shuishuihuohuo]

6 hours ago, Dyzrespect said:

Emotional arguments towards making changes based on misplaced resentment towards Wendy changes are not feedback, and most of your posts and others lately have been the opposite of constructive and objective. They are chock full of untested and untrue information, based on "vibes" of Walter needing to be "balanced" because Wendy was reduced in power, as SilverSpoon stated:

Practice what you are preaching and don't pretend you are being genuine when you are not.

Please do not transfer the hatred to the character group. The public opinion poll on Walter's skill tree is mostly satisfactory. I believe that some appropriate balancing would help achieve equal choices in the skill trees. The fact is that Wendy's skill tree is still a subject of mixed reviews, but this does not mean that Wendy main players have not tested Walter, nor does it mean that they cannot participate in the discussion of Walter's skill tree.

[Mr. Furman]

6 minutes ago, shuishuihuohuo said:

appropriate balancing

Well, based on my experience with all these posts, they are anything but appropriate. Actually just ways to make the gameplay more tedious.

I believe you won't enjoy it if someone gave unreasonable suggestions to Wendy with inaccurate information and subjective bias.

9 minutes ago, shuishuihuohuo said:

nor does it mean that they cannot participate in the discussion of Walter's skill tree

Sure, of course - But posting 10 threads in 2 hours demanding nerfs in the name of Balance with wrong information is not called "participation". I don't think people would want to actively transfer hatred towards Wendy players, those who do have a real problem. 

[Steorra]

2 minutes ago, Mr. Furman said:

Well, based on my experience with all these posts, they are anything but appropriate. Actually just ways to make the gameplay more tedious.

I believe you won't enjoy it if someone gave unreasonable suggestions to Wendy with inaccurate information and subjective bias.

Sure, of course - But posting 10 threads in 2 hours demanding nerfs in the name of Balance with wrong information is not called "participation". I don't think people would want to actively transfer hatred towards Wendy players, those who do have a real problem. 

You may point out the "inaccurate information" if they exist. That's the discussion.