Y0sH Posted January 28, 2025 Share Posted January 28, 2025 Cloudy Carmen at the moment is extremely underwhelming and very niche in its use cases. I think an ability to temporarily make already hostile mobs fight for you could be a good trade off. Of course this wouldn't work with Boss mobs but moreso in horde situations. For example you're getting swarmed by Bunnies, using a panflute would temporarily mind control one or a set number based on how many hostile mobs are on screen at the time to fight for you. They won't be buffed in anyway and would have their normal health pools. This would make the skill more useful while remaining niche in nature. If 3 out of 10 spiders get mind controlled and fight for you this would at most kill a few other spiders but isn't anything strong enough to really change the tide of any battles by design. How long the creatures are mind controlled can be based on if any mob is actively aggrod to you at the time the skill was used. This way you don't just get free permanent followers but a temporary ally in a fight. After there aren't anymore hostile mobs and you still have temporary allies the skill disengages and the mind controlled creatures are now hostile towards you even if they're typically not, like Nice Inclination, mind controlled pigmen. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/163484-temporary-mind-control-instead-of-cloudy-carmen/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
mima_ Posted January 28, 2025 Share Posted January 28, 2025 woah this actually interesting instead of putting mobs to sleep but making hostile mobs temporarly on your side like u use one man band. but i might say the duration should be fixed. not on how long you agroed it. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/163484-temporary-mind-control-instead-of-cloudy-carmen/#findComment-1790547 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soul7k Posted January 28, 2025 Share Posted January 28, 2025 you have cooked and I have been found wanting. A temporary if not small amount of loyalty gain would be interesting. Could use it to drag a bunch of mobs like a varg to a boss then flute up Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/163484-temporary-mind-control-instead-of-cloudy-carmen/#findComment-1790554 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steorra Posted January 28, 2025 Share Posted January 28, 2025 No. I don't think this suits for Wortox's flavour. It's weird. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/163484-temporary-mind-control-instead-of-cloudy-carmen/#findComment-1790555 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y0sH Posted January 28, 2025 Author Share Posted January 28, 2025 14 minutes ago, mima_ said: woah this actually interesting instead of putting mobs to sleep but making hostile mobs temporarly on your side like u use one man band. but i might say the duration should be fixed. not on how long you agroed it. I thought about that but what if in the off chance that the 3 out of 10 spiders alongside with fighting actually Killed the other 7? The remaining 3 likely low HP spiders would just sit there until a timer is up instead of being useful and immediately attacking other creatures that still may be aggrod to you. The mind controlled Aggro being based on what's aggrod to you is important because Panflute toots still aren't cheap with Wortox's Skilltree. I can think of a situation if your 3 low HP spiders losing mind control 15 seconds after tooting the flute while a hound wave has just started and hounds are actively coming to attack you. This way they fight until they die and if for some reason the mind controlled mobs are still standing they immediately drop mind control and attack you. Another example is playing the flute and mind controlling 2 of the 6 grumble bees in the BQ fight. The 2 grumble bees instead of being on a timer would fight until death (which would let's be honest be very quick lol). I would also want this to work like the Shadow duelist from Maxwell so that your mind controlled mobs will fight but the Aggro of the creatures they're fighting changes between you and them. This way you couldn't just spam it and watch, the creatures will ALSO still be aggrod to you primarily. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/163484-temporary-mind-control-instead-of-cloudy-carmen/#findComment-1790560 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mima_ Posted January 28, 2025 Share Posted January 28, 2025 45 minutes ago, Y0sH said: The mind controlled Aggro being based on what's aggrod to you is important because Panflute toots still aren't cheap with Wortox's Skilltree. yeah i agree. or maybe they should change percentage of wortox randomly playing drain should behave like how people use one man band. so not based on uses. more into how long the flute used/last. but this is good idea cus pretty fun and unique, i believe if klei adapt this idea they will balance it way more. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/163484-temporary-mind-control-instead-of-cloudy-carmen/#findComment-1790593 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Echsrick Posted January 28, 2025 Share Posted January 28, 2025 this could be interesting Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/163484-temporary-mind-control-instead-of-cloudy-carmen/#findComment-1790611 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y0sH Posted January 28, 2025 Author Share Posted January 28, 2025 It's worth clarifying that this skill should ONLY work when hostile creatures are aggrod to you. This way you can't just go to where spiders are (typically hostile anyway) and recruit them and THEN start a fight with a different set of mobs. This makes it way less exploitable because there has to already be a mob actively in attack mode towards you for it to proc with surrounding also aggrod mobs. Another good example is there are two salamanders on lunar you hit both and now both are actively coming to attack you. You play the flute mind controlling one of them to fight for you and they now fight each other. The mind controlled one won the fight but since there is nothing on screen actively attacking you the skill stops and now the salamander will attack YOU. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/163484-temporary-mind-control-instead-of-cloudy-carmen/#findComment-1790680 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Radicaljoe Posted January 28, 2025 Share Posted January 28, 2025 I always love the idea of infighting between enemies, maybe instead of mind control (in case people find it not fitting Wortox's aesthetic) it could be a really loud/high pitch noise that confuses them and makes them attack their friends? Not trying to change the skill, I love the idea, just trying to think of an alternative reason Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/163484-temporary-mind-control-instead-of-cloudy-carmen/#findComment-1790704 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soul7k Posted January 28, 2025 Share Posted January 28, 2025 6 minutes ago, Radicaljoe said: I always love the idea of infighting between enemies, maybe instead of mind control (in case people find it not fitting Wortox's aesthetic) it could be a really loud/high pitch noise that confuses them and makes them attack their friends? Not trying to change the skill, I love the idea, just trying to think of an alternative reason i don't see why it wouldn't he's basically a demon Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/163484-temporary-mind-control-instead-of-cloudy-carmen/#findComment-1790707 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y0sH Posted January 28, 2025 Author Share Posted January 28, 2025 13 minutes ago, Radicaljoe said: I always love the idea of infighting between enemies, maybe instead of mind control (in case people find it not fitting Wortox's aesthetic) it could be a really loud/high pitch noise that confuses them and makes them attack their friends? Not trying to change the skill, I love the idea, just trying to think of an alternative reason It'll be in character in a "Malicious Melody" kind of skill so yeah mind control is more so what product of using the skill will do not necessarily the name. This will give Wortox more of a Mischievous Bard with his neutral side. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/163484-temporary-mind-control-instead-of-cloudy-carmen/#findComment-1790712 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ugur01 Posted January 28, 2025 Share Posted January 28, 2025 Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/163484-temporary-mind-control-instead-of-cloudy-carmen/#findComment-1790743 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Radicaljoe Posted January 28, 2025 Share Posted January 28, 2025 1 hour ago, Soul7k said: i don't see why it wouldn't he's basically a demon I suppose it is closer to the naughty side of the neutral skills Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/163484-temporary-mind-control-instead-of-cloudy-carmen/#findComment-1790744 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y0sH Posted January 28, 2025 Author Share Posted January 28, 2025 14 minutes ago, Ugur01 said: Lol essentially this, whereas the "cooldown" is either everything aggrod is dead and it aggros on the player or it (most likely) will just die while fighting. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/163484-temporary-mind-control-instead-of-cloudy-carmen/#findComment-1790750 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Debruh Posted January 29, 2025 Share Posted January 29, 2025 Pretty good idea, I imagine that Wortox puts them to sleep while they're mad at him and they wake up confused and attack something else I feel like it would be pretty cool if this worked on bosses too. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/163484-temporary-mind-control-instead-of-cloudy-carmen/#findComment-1790776 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Echsrick Posted January 29, 2025 Share Posted January 29, 2025 3 hours ago, Radicaljoe said: I suppose it is closer to the naughty side of the neutral skills just like how the free souls on panflute is more towards the nice line since wortox had no need to kill creatures Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/163484-temporary-mind-control-instead-of-cloudy-carmen/#findComment-1790796 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y0sH Posted February 4, 2025 Author Share Posted February 4, 2025 Up, for obvious reasons. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/163484-temporary-mind-control-instead-of-cloudy-carmen/#findComment-1792887 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reiko24 Posted February 4, 2025 Share Posted February 4, 2025 I love this idea. Fits too, since there are tons of creatures/people in stories controlling things using flutes or music Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/163484-temporary-mind-control-instead-of-cloudy-carmen/#findComment-1792926 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hollow soul 3 Posted February 4, 2025 Share Posted February 4, 2025 That's such a good idea Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/163484-temporary-mind-control-instead-of-cloudy-carmen/#findComment-1792954 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y0sH Posted February 13, 2025 Author Share Posted February 13, 2025 Buuumpp Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/163484-temporary-mind-control-instead-of-cloudy-carmen/#findComment-1796936 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BalkanCockroach Posted February 13, 2025 Share Posted February 13, 2025 If this happens they should make mind controlled mobs sleep walk with closed eyes and Z's coming out of their heads. Just an idea Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/163484-temporary-mind-control-instead-of-cloudy-carmen/#findComment-1796958 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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