Wraithe's Wreathe.

[Nikki Darks]

After having a bunch of hours on Wendy with the new skill tree, I've garnered some new takes and opinions on some things... 

Specifically the Wraithe's Wreathe.

At first I thought it was cool how you required a head slot item to consume the elixirs as a player; it changed combat due to having to use body slot armour for healing or body slot gear for summer/winter... However.

This turned out to be more clunky, unintuitive, awkward and tedious than it did fun or interesting.

I've also noticed that a lot of people don't even want to bother with most of the elixirs because it requires a head slot item that has no good stats just to consume either very niche or genuinely amazing elixirs.

So at this point, I just suggest making elixirs consumables. like drag the elixir onto your character and that's it.

[congrongfuguo]

I completely agree to give up the Ghost Headcrown, even though it's beautiful. May I ask why the Flower Shroud was removed?

[Giovirtual79]

3 minutes ago, congrongfuguo said:

I completely agree to give up the Ghost Headcrown, even though it's beautiful. May I ask why the Flower Shroud was removed?

Simple answer: They couldn't balance it
Longer answer:The devs were not happy with how the Shroud turned out. The first iteration allowed Wendy to face tank bosses without Armor because Abigail would just tank the damage. This meant that she could just resummon Abigail during fights and tank without consequences (which is partly true, mainly because the only good example of this is with Dragonfly). It also allowed you to tank freezing, starving, overheating, or burning damage due to Abby. They wanted to rework it to where Abigail used your head slot armor when you wore it, however they also felt that sacrificing your head armor for a bulkier Abby was not the play, so they removed it.

37 minutes ago, Nikki Darks said:

After having a bunch of hours on Wendy with the new skill tree, I've garnered some new takes and opinions on some things... 

Specifically the Wraithe's Wreathe.

At first I thought it was cool how you required a head slot item to consume the elixirs as a player; it changed combat due to having to use body slot armour for healing or body slot gear for summer/winter... However.

This turned out to be more clunky, unintuitive, awkward and tedious than it did fun or interesting.

I've also noticed that a lot of people don't even want to bother with most of the elixirs because it requires a head slot item that has no good stats just to consume either very niche or genuinely amazing elixirs.

So at this point, I just suggest making elixirs consumables. like drag the elixir onto your character and that's it.

I think the main problem with the wreath is the fact that the effects it provides pale in comparison to items already in the game. Potion that caused you to tank a certain amount of damage one time or do thorn damage one time? Why use it when you could use Football helmets and Abby exits. Potion that reduces the speed penalty of items? Why use it when Beefalo exits. Marble Armor is a good reason, but you're most likely only using it for BQ and you're better off using Bee Keeper hats to expand the suit's lifespan. A potion that recovers sanity and hunger? This one is the most baffling, as cactus exists. The only real stand outs are Nightshade and the healing potions, although you could make an argument for the potions since Wendy's will likely rush BQ for jellybeans. And, to top it all off, it makes you wonder why would you ever waste your head slot item when you could wear armor with it and a backpack as well. The answer is there is no reason. The sad reality is that the head slot is the most valuable slot to most players and they don't want to give up that slot. I do think the charm of the wreath comes from the fun elixirs you can use with it, but that's really all it is.

It also doesn't help that you need to drag the potions onto the crown in order to drink the potions. It makes them feel very clunky and unappealing.

[Debruh]

I personally am not a fan of making it so that Abby can use two elixirs at a time, but the Wraith's Wreath needs that ngl

Also the effects need to stay on the Wreath even if you take it off but make it pause

Effects like healing should immediately pause by themselves if you're at max health. Vigor mortis if there's nothing lowering your speed, etc.

Also some effects should be buffed/changed.

Vigor Mortis > speed penalties removed completely instead of 25% of an item. Or let it be so that it improves speed boosts. Roads, mags, canes, whatever. Doesn't give one on its own, but improves already present ones.

 Shield elixirs need something. That isn't just damage reduction/true damage reduction.

Wetness nullification. Fire/Ice immunity. Something where they make durability damage on armor very low, as to actually make vigor mortis useful with marble armor if you can apply both at the same time.

Healling elixirs should work faster. Make restorative the speed of cure-all, with cure-all being basically restorative with 40 more health. Make cure-all useless for Wendy, but good when making it for other survivors. So cure-all isn't so dominanting

I have no idea what to suggest. But it kinda feels bad to just use cure-all and nightshade in 90% of situations. None of the others help in fight, aside from vigor mortis + marble armor helping with knockback. 

[congrongfuguo]

26分钟前，Giovirtual79说:

简单的回答:他们无法平衡它
更长的回答:开发者对裹尸布的结果不满意。第一次迭代允许温迪面对没有装甲的坦克老板，因为阿比盖尔只会坦克的伤害。这意味着她可以在战斗和坦克中重新召唤阿比盖尔而不用承担后果(这部分是对的，主要是因为这方面唯一的好例子是蜻蜓)。它也允许你坦克冻结，饥饿，过热，或燃烧造成的伤害。他们想重做它，当你穿上它的时候，阿比盖尔使用你的头部护甲，但是他们也觉得牺牲你的头部护甲来换一个笨重的阿比是不合适的，所以他们把它去掉了。

我认为花环的主要问题是它提供的效果与游戏中已经存在的物品相比显得苍白无力。让你一次造成一定伤害或者一次造成荆棘伤害的药剂？当你可以用橄榄球头盔和艾比出口的时候为什么要用它。降低物品速度惩罚的药剂？为什么在Beefalo退出时使用它。大理石盔甲是一个很好的理由，但是你很可能只在BQ时使用它，你最好使用养蜂人的帽子来延长套装的寿命。恢复理智和饥饿感的药剂？这是最令人困惑的，因为仙人掌的存在。唯一真正突出的是龙葵和治疗药水，虽然你可以为药水提出一个论点，因为温迪可能会冲BQ的软糖。而且，最重要的是，它让你想知道为什么你会浪费你的头槽物品，当你可以穿盔甲和背包的时候。答案是没有理由。可悲的现实是，对大多数玩家来说，头把交椅是最有价值的位置，他们不想放弃这个位置。我确实认为花环的魅力来自于你可以用它来搭配有趣的药剂，但这真的仅此而已。

为了喝药水，你需要把药水拖到皇冠上，这也没有帮助。这让他们觉得很笨拙，没有吸引力。

Thank you for your answer
So here's the thing:
① The shroud will turn Wendy's battle into a single player game
② The way to bring Abigail back to the battlefield by sharing her helmet ultimately failed
So as long as we find another way for Abigail to survive in front of the boss, the shroud will be reused
I have a plan:
Give more meaning to the shroud, making it possible to simultaneously operate Abigail and Wendy to evade attacks
① The shroud made Wendy look more like a ghost, allowing her to perceive Abigail more clearly
② Team spirit will provide new skills: Abigail and Wendy can exchange positions and gain temporary damage immunity through disappearance and reappearance

谢谢你的回答

所以事情是这样：

①裹尸布会让温蒂的战斗变成单人游戏 

②通过让阿比盖尔分享头盔让她回到战场的方式失败了

所以只要找到另一种让阿比盖尔在boss面前存活的方式 裹尸布就会重新被重用

我有一个方案：

赋予裹尸布更多价值 让同时操作阿比盖尔和温蒂躲开攻击成为可能

①裹尸布使温蒂变得更像鬼魂 让她可以更清晰的感知阿比盖尔

②团队精神将提供新的技能 ：阿比盖尔和温蒂可以互换彼此的位置 并因为消失和重现获得短暂的伤害免疫

 

[viblym]

Earlygame I feel like the Wraith's Wreath has a lot of utility but mid to lategame it falls off pretty hard since it can't keep up with other items you get via progression

[Arepantera]

I don't understand the problems with wendy's new hat tbh

To me it looks like a cheaper and better miner's hat that comes with sanity regeneration and sometimes can give you cheap heals if you need it, I use it like that and I'm very happy with it.
Alltho I agree that having to drag the elixirs to the hat is annoying

[WenericMember]

I think if it completely ditches combat applications it'll be good. The wreath having many mid tier effects is a great concept, but by trying to make 1/2 of them combat orientated, their limited power makes them outclassed by even a football helmet.

If the two shields become utility effects it'll have a bunch of different effects with minimal cost, making it a much more useful item.

[Nikki Darks]

I feel like honestly, the hat should just have a separate stat of its own, and the elixirs should just be consumables like any other.

Since Wendy's right click on the elixirs already applies them to Abigail, you could have her have to drag the elixir onto herself to drink it.

But the hat as it is right now is just very impractical and inconvenient for what it's worth.