Wendy Skilltree Survey III

[Zef Wang]

Post different enhancement suggestions below, and then we can see the number of votes for the enhancement suggestions that I didn't think of based on the number of likes.

有不同增强建议就发在下面，这样就可以按照点赞数看看这个我没想到的增强建议的票数了。

[ColdHeaven]

where is powder monkey 

[Gashzer]

Abigails gestalt form should be the primary boss survival form/skill. Gestalt form should also be able to attack shadow creatures. This form should require a lot less micromanaging and resources to keep alive during boss fights.

Shadow form abigail should have a high skill ceiling/resources grind to use effectively during boss fight, as you keep all the convenience of regular abigail for day to day use against hordes.

[Demigardenerner]

I don’t really think both of Wendy alignments should be combat focused or atleast be like Winona and have a fun think with her combat like give the sisturn a different buff based on what alignment you chose or something like that but just having a non boss fighting character having both of her alignments be boss fighting combat focused is just odd. But atleast that what I think Wendy is missing 

[Evelo]

Nothing needs to be strengthened at this point. Good god.

[Koomin]

2 minutes ago, Evelo said:

Nothing needs to be strengthened at this point. Good god.

I'm a bit confused how we are on version 3 and there is still no option for "nothing needs to be strengthened"

[Jakepeng99]

6 hours ago, ColdHeaven said:

where is powder monkey 

I remember making a poll post dedicated to powder monkey in the beta forums, but it was deleted.

6 minutes ago, Koomin said:

I'm a bit confused how we are on version 3 and there is still no option for "nothing needs to be strengthened"

Queen of the Moonquay.

[Copyafriend]

32 minutes ago, Koomin said:

I'm a bit confused how we are on version 3 and there is still no option for "nothing needs to be strengthened"

I'm a bit confused how we're on like week 4 and people are still actively acting as if wendy has an awful skilltree, like it's good now, please calm down and give specific suggestions, targeted polls where everything is just "Make stuff stronger" is not helpful.

[Debruh]

While sadly, I can't test stuff right now, from what I heard. Gestalt Abby is actually good as long as you fight alongside her, to draw aggro.

Just need the 25% hp thing to be removed, or at least make it so commands are usable during it.

And do something about blessed Sisturn |||, it doesn't even work on some bosses so better to turn into a level 4 where Abby has 900/1200 hp with maybe more light. Would remove the interaction with cure-all without some stupid solution like making cure-all less effective with player tag, or nerfing cure-all in general (how is this an actual idea). While also actually working for all bosses and stuff like rooks.

[Zef Wang]

15 hours ago, Koomin said:

I'm a bit confused how we are on version 3 and there is still no option for "nothing needs to be strengthened"

I believe many players have already posted polls on this issue, so...

[RussoDaFederal]

16 hours ago, Evelo said:

Nothing needs to be strengthened at this point. Good god.

In fact I'd nerf a thing or two if I worked at Klei

[Reiko24]

16 hours ago, Evelo said:

Nothing needs to be strengthened at this point. Good god.

Give them a finger, they will take the whole hand

[Steorra]

29 minutes ago, Reiko24 said:

Give them a finger, they will take the whole hand

Ok let's keep lunar abi at the current stage. No idea what a player would say Wendy's current skilltree have touched same level as Wortox.

[Debruh]

3 hours ago, Reiko24 said:

Give them a finger, they will take the whole hand

Took both arms 

[Reiko24]

3 hours ago, Steorra said:

Ok let's keep lunar abi at the current stage. No idea what a player would say Wendy's current skilltree have touched same level as Wortox.

Current Lunar Abi is sad, buffing her numbers will make her braindead op, keeping her as is will make her a sad, unworthy choice.

she needs something more

 

wendy’s ONLY problem right now is Lunar Abi

[Echsrick]

3 hours ago, Steorra said:

Ok let's keep lunar abi at the current stage. No idea what a player would say Wendy's current skilltree have touched same level as Wortox.

meanwhile wortox skill tree

adding actualy downsides to him if he does too much of something

having a skill that for some reasons affects skills from differend brances for no reasons

filler skills needed to actualy get real skills

knapsack not being good

[Bumber64]

5 hours ago, Echsrick said:

meanwhile wortox skill tree

adding actualy downsides to him if he does too much of something

having a skill that for some reasons affects skills from differend brances for no reasons

filler skills needed to actualy get real skills

knapsack not being good

The Wortox AoE being worse than Abi's free AoE.

Investing heavily into a multiplayer-centric branch to get neutral mobs, don't really need followers in multiplayer, can't heal them with souls regardless.

[ColdHeaven]

46 minutes ago, Bumber64 said:

The Wortox AoE being worse than Abi's free AoE.

Investing heavily into a multiplayer-centric branch to get neutral mobs, don't really need followers in multiplayer, can't heal them with souls regardless.

Nah wortox skill tree is well done. He has the best skill tree ever made in the history of history. Wendy's however is straight garbage and need to be done over from scratch 

[Dingle]

Justice for Wendy and Wigford.

On 12/22/2024 at 3:36 PM, Debruh said:

And do something about blessed Sisturn |||, it doesn't even work on some bosses so better to turn into a level 4 where Abby has 900/1200 hp with maybe more light. Would remove the interaction with cure-all without some stupid solution like making cure-all less effective with player tag, or nerfing cure-all in general (how is this an actual idea). While also actually working for all bosses and stuff like rooks.

I'd still get it most of the time if it was 900. At 1200 it would seem too "mandatory" to me.

And yes, it's pretty horrible both ways right now.

[WenericMember]

Overall: Her tree is almost all in a fine spot balance & designwise. Nothing completely overbearing, but a good balance of skills.

Re Balance Changes/QOL:

• Alignments, Potions, Pipspooks, Vengeful Ghost are all in fine spots (gesalt Abbys threshold for hiding should be lowered slightly, to 10-15% but that's minor)
• Later mourning Glory perks need buffs to make them more unique
  • Perennial altar just needs something more than a cost different from effigy. Somehting like inventory recovery, teleporting to location of death, making the altar reusable. I think the costs could be increased to compensate, but atm its only competitive with a largely irrelevant item.
  • The two shielding potions on player need an overhaul. This is their chance to justify their existence and they presently aren't doing much.
• Team Spirit needs QOL usability buffs. their function is fine they just aren't as usable as they should be.
  • Escape needs to be able to be triggered a lot more quickly than you presently can, and needs to be faster in combat than unsummon. A last used command button would be a good solution. 
  • Haunt needs RNG buffs. It's fairly basic QOL. While a ghost, players don't have anything better to do than haunt, making the rng whatever. Wendy is alive, and the RNG just makes things tedious.
• Blessed Sisturn  3 needs to be tuned to remove the combo with Cure-All. Klei specifically avoided buffing cure-all in the potions skills, so it being the only potion to receive a non-duration buff is nonsensical.
• Graveyards could use a tier 3 skill. This isn't really necessary, but the idea of building graveyards has a lot of potential and it could be easily expanded upon.

Finally, outside her tree, I would hope the shielding potions could get reworked on Abigail, as they're presently nearly useless and her tree does nothing to fix that.  I'd like to see cure-all be reworked as a super potion, but that's controversial and I get why it likely isn't a good idea.

[cyjs]

share some of my thoughts

[Catapult 2.0]

The way Lunar Abigail transforms back into its normal form.月比转化回去的方式

[Dingle]

1 hour ago, Zef Wang said:

If Wendy cannot gain some advantages with her own characteristics, and is as weak as Wes,  to be frank, this is a failed character, although the design is good.

This has nothing to do with being insatiable; Klei's attitude towards Wendy's skilltree is more like Sisyphus pushing a boulder, and even Klei has the ability to do this. Take a look at this.

You will find a considerable number of excellent skilltrees, which are voted on by players and have nothing to do with my personal opinion.

That's the main point.

Did you ever end up reading that thread? Or just the title?

[Koomin]

2 hours ago, Zef Wang said:

If Wendy cannot gain some advantages with her own characteristics, and is as weak as Wes,  to be frank, this is a failed character, although the design is good.

This has nothing to do with being insatiable; Klei's attitude towards Wendy's skilltree is more like Sisyphus pushing a boulder, and even Klei has the ability to do this. Take a look at this.

You will find a considerable number of excellent skilltrees, which are voted on by players and have nothing to do with my personal opinion.

That's the main point.

The conclusion of that post was that they compared a very optimized Wes fight to a very not optimized Wendy fight, and that the title of the post is not supported at all.  Read a few posts in the thread and you will see a video showing that Wendy is far faster than Wes. 

It's pretty clear now that the reason that the option for "nothing should be made stronger" or "something should be made weaker" repeatedly being left off is that the poll is biased on purpose.

[Dingle]

11 minutes ago, Koomin said:

The conclusion of that post was that they compared a very optimized Wes fight to a very not optimized Wendy fight, and that the title of the post is not supported at all.  Read a few posts in the thread and you will see a video showing that Wendy is far faster than Wes. 

It's pretty clear now that the reason that the option for "nothing should be made stronger" or "something should be made weaker" repeatedly being left off is that the poll is biased on purpose.

The other interesting takeaway from the thread is that planar damage/planar armor is designed to normalize everyone's damage more (some exceptions, like horde follower characters).

So Wes doesn't actually kill planar things much slower than Wilson, at that point.

Seeing this requires you to read more than the title of the thread, though.