Lee lol Posted December 13, 2024 Share Posted December 13, 2024 When you are using the gestalt You mean that Wendy need to ： While observing Abi's Hp giving her pure potion at the right time take a lunar potion Then in the case of avoiding the monster's attack Move the mouse to the small Abi flower. Right-click to chat privately Then move the mouse to the skill roulette accurately. Then cast spells on monsters accurately. You should also pay attention to the rigidity of casting spells. And predict the attack of monsters, so that Abi can beat monsters and be beaten less by monsters. And you can't make Abi's health below 150. Otherwise, Abi will refuse to fight and will still be attacked by monsters. And you can't direct Abi to attack at this time. Repeat like this several times You can get worse damage than Willow‘s one moon fire. So over-powered. 3 minutes ago, Lee lol said: When you are using the gestalt You mean that Wendy need to ： While observing Abi's Hp giving her pure potion at the right time take a lunar potion Then in the case of avoiding the monster's attack Move the mouse to the small Abi flower. Right-click to chat privately Then move the mouse to the skill roulette accurately. Then cast spells on monsters accurately. You should also pay attention to the rigidity of casting spells. And predict the attack of monsters, so that Abi can beat monsters and be beaten less by monsters. And you can't make Abi's health below 150. Otherwise, Abi will refuse to fight and will still be attacked by monsters. And you can't direct Abi to attack at this time. Repeat like this several times You can get worse damage than Willow‘s one moon fire. So over-powered. To clarify This post is not to cause quarrel. just want to discuss the current strength of Gestalt and how to balance it against Shadow Abi. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/162361-about-the-current-strength-of-the-gestalt/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
djturner Posted December 13, 2024 Share Posted December 13, 2024 You guys are starting to expose yourselves a little bit in that all you've ever really wanted and will accept is the absurdly broken, near-autonomous Lunar Abigail that was present in earlier beta tests. It was bad for the game and it's good that it was removed. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/162361-about-the-current-strength-of-the-gestalt/#findComment-1775497 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steorra Posted December 13, 2024 Share Posted December 13, 2024 11 minutes ago, djturner said: You guys are starting to expose yourselves a little bit in that all you've ever really wanted and will accept is the absurdly broken, near-autonomous Lunar Abigail that was present in earlier beta tests. It was bad for the game and it's good that it was removed. What? There's a survey for current beta which have shown that the most people is interested in Shadow Abi but not lunar one didn't it? I have no idea about where the logic behind your slander. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/162361-about-the-current-strength-of-the-gestalt/#findComment-1775501 Share on other sites More sharing options...
hyoton123 Posted December 13, 2024 Share Posted December 13, 2024 You’re right. They should nerf shadow abigail. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/162361-about-the-current-strength-of-the-gestalt/#findComment-1775506 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Debruh Posted December 13, 2024 Share Posted December 13, 2024 Just put the flower in a hotkey slot. Even if you don't do that, it's not that complicated to use commands even mid fight. Once Abby begins retreating, direct the fight away from her, or even unsummon her, not that hard. Unsummoning with normal/shadow(literally just normal) Abby is hard cause she'll still actively engage in the fight. Gestalt Abby doesn't hit a lot, so making the aggro stay on you is easy. And she'll disengage at low healthm Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/162361-about-the-current-strength-of-the-gestalt/#findComment-1775508 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steorra Posted December 13, 2024 Share Posted December 13, 2024 7 minutes ago, hyoton123 said: You’re right. They should nerf shadow abigail. None of my business. I touch neither the lunar or the shadow abi. To nerf? Even you give 666% damage bonus to current shadow Abi I still won't use her. The mechanic of murder from inventory is still annoying and boring lol. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/162361-about-the-current-strength-of-the-gestalt/#findComment-1775510 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Debruh Posted December 13, 2024 Share Posted December 13, 2024 25 minutes ago, djturner said: You guys are starting to expose yourselves a little bit in that all you've ever really wanted and will accept is the absurdly broken, near-autonomous Lunar Abigail that was present in earlier beta tests. It was bad for the game and it's good that it was removed. The part about Abby disengaging from the fight but still getting attack by monsters practicing spells this out. How does she disengage and keep her distance but still get attacked?? Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/162361-about-the-current-strength-of-the-gestalt/#findComment-1775511 Share on other sites More sharing options...
arubaro Posted December 13, 2024 Share Posted December 13, 2024 Wow a videogame is rewarding you for pressing keys at the right moment and paying attention to parameters? What a nightmare Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/162361-about-the-current-strength-of-the-gestalt/#findComment-1775513 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee lol Posted December 13, 2024 Author Share Posted December 13, 2024 3 minutes ago, Debruh said: The part about Abby disengaging from the fight but still getting attack by monsters practicing spells this out. How does she disengage and keep her distance but still get attacked?? Some boss have aoe. Your hatred for the boss does not guarantee that Abi won't get hurt. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/162361-about-the-current-strength-of-the-gestalt/#findComment-1775517 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soul7k Posted December 13, 2024 Share Posted December 13, 2024 4 minutes ago, arubaro said: Wow a videogame is rewarding you for pressing keys at the right moment and paying attention to parameters? What a nightmare wake me up Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/162361-about-the-current-strength-of-the-gestalt/#findComment-1775518 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sikers Posted December 13, 2024 Share Posted December 13, 2024 6 minutes ago, Steorra said: What? There's a survey for current beta which have shown that the most people is interested in Shadow Abi but not lunar one didn't it? I have no idea about where the logic behind your slander. Shadow Abi is more popular, but I think for a different reasons then the one mentioned in the post. Shadow Abi is just superior in almost every way. She has AoE, a higher dps and similar survivability. Lunar Abi is kinda pointless at this point and insted of buffing and nerfing over and over, they should change her purpos, at least in my opinion. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/162361-about-the-current-strength-of-the-gestalt/#findComment-1775519 Share on other sites More sharing options...
hyoton123 Posted December 13, 2024 Share Posted December 13, 2024 9 minutes ago, Steorra said: None of my business. I touch neither the lunar or the shadow abi. To nerf? Even you give 666% damage bonus to current shadow Abi I still won't use her. The mechanic of murder from inventory is still annoying and boring lol. Then you won’t have a problem with shadow abigail nerfs, right? Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/162361-about-the-current-strength-of-the-gestalt/#findComment-1775520 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steorra Posted December 13, 2024 Share Posted December 13, 2024 7 minutes ago, hyoton123 said: Then you won’t have a problem with shadow abigail nerfs, right? You may just to guess it if you can't understand it lol. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/162361-about-the-current-strength-of-the-gestalt/#findComment-1775523 Share on other sites More sharing options...
zzzzzzzzzzz Posted December 13, 2024 Share Posted December 13, 2024 Can't you make any reasonable suggestions? Can you only say nerf? Like an artificial robot Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/162361-about-the-current-strength-of-the-gestalt/#findComment-1775524 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koomin Posted December 13, 2024 Share Posted December 13, 2024 The reason everyone is selecting Shadow Abigail is because she is way too strong and in the "bad for the game" category. Reducing her power would also increase the interest in Gestalt Abigail (which got a buff already in the last hotfix!) Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/162361-about-the-current-strength-of-the-gestalt/#findComment-1775526 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee lol Posted December 13, 2024 Author Share Posted December 13, 2024 Just delete the hiding mode of gestalt，which will improve her damage，In this way, at least the gestalt has no obvious weakness compared with the shadow. （except for aoe）However, there is still a lack of advantages. So I guess I still won't use gestalt frequently. The most direct criterion for measuring a game design is whether people will choose to play it. So will you use gestalt instead of Shadow Abi? Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/162361-about-the-current-strength-of-the-gestalt/#findComment-1775529 Share on other sites More sharing options...
zzzzzzzzzzz Posted December 13, 2024 Share Posted December 13, 2024 1分钟前，Koomin说： 每个人都选择Shadow Abigail的原因是她太强大了，属于“对游戏不利”的类别。减少她的力量也会增加对Gestalt Abigail的兴趣（在上一个热修复中已经得到了增益！） What a funny logic. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/162361-about-the-current-strength-of-the-gestalt/#findComment-1775531 Share on other sites More sharing options...
arubaro Posted December 13, 2024 Share Posted December 13, 2024 10 minutes ago, Soul7k said: wake me up https://store.steampowered.com/tags/en/Cozy/ I warn you that some of this games might also require player imput and paying attention to parameters Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/162361-about-the-current-strength-of-the-gestalt/#findComment-1775534 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Debruh Posted December 13, 2024 Share Posted December 13, 2024 17 minutes ago, Lee lol said: Some boss have aoe. Your hatred for the boss does not guarantee that Abi won't get hurt. As I said, lure them away from her. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/162361-about-the-current-strength-of-the-gestalt/#findComment-1775538 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steorra Posted December 13, 2024 Share Posted December 13, 2024 15 minutes ago, Koomin said: The reason everyone is selecting Shadow Abigail is because she is way too strong and in the "bad for the game" category. Reducing her power would also increase the interest in Gestalt Abigail (which got a buff already in the last hotfix!) "The reason of everyone feels dislike about you because other guys are too successed, so there's a need to nerf all other guys who have more charm than you." You haven't gave this logic, right? Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/162361-about-the-current-strength-of-the-gestalt/#findComment-1775539 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Debruh Posted December 13, 2024 Share Posted December 13, 2024 10 minutes ago, Koomin said: The reason everyone is selecting Shadow Abigail is because she is way too strong and in the "bad for the game" category. Reducing her power would also increase the interest in Gestalt Abigail (which got a buff already in the last hotfix!) Gestalt Abby is just not interesting. She has an idea in min (more survivability) but og Abby could already survive. Shaodw Abby goes with the damage route hence why people use her. Even if she was nerfed to oblivion, she would still be used. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/162361-about-the-current-strength-of-the-gestalt/#findComment-1775540 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WANZUN Posted December 13, 2024 Share Posted December 13, 2024 技能树不就是让角色变得强大些吗？这对游戏有利吗？让选择月亮阿比盖尔更有价值叫做暴露了，英语玩家声东击西有一套的。 Isn't the skill tree just about making the character stronger? Is this good for the game? Making the choice of Moon Abigail more valuable is called exposure. English players have a way of diverting things from each other. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/162361-about-the-current-strength-of-the-gestalt/#findComment-1775544 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uedo Posted December 13, 2024 Share Posted December 13, 2024 Whats the damage numbers before and after? What actual data are we dealing with here? Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/162361-about-the-current-strength-of-the-gestalt/#findComment-1775550 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koomin Posted December 13, 2024 Share Posted December 13, 2024 11 minutes ago, Steorra said: "The reason of everyone feels dislike about you because other guys are too successed, so there's a need to nerf all other guys who have more charm than you." You haven't gave this logic, right? I think the logic is more "one of the players on my child's basketball team is a 7 foot adult (Shadow Wendy) that is ruining the game for all the other kids because the game is too easy and they don't need to contribute anything to succeed (everyone else on the server)" I feel "dislike" for Shadow Wendy because being on a server with someone playing as her or playing as her myself makes the game easy enough that it is not worth playing. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/162361-about-the-current-strength-of-the-gestalt/#findComment-1775551 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steorra Posted December 13, 2024 Share Posted December 13, 2024 27 minutes ago, Koomin said: I feel "dislike" for Shadow Wendy because being on a server with someone playing as her or playing as her myself makes the game easy enough that it is not worth playing. I would ask nerfing shadow Abi's amounts before, but I won't for now. Since someone who are obsessed with nerfing Wendy would never give creative advices to improve Shadow Abi's other performance than nerf her amounts. If Shadow Abi have no more interesting mechanic changes, then the amount is her only valuable feature. Which still cannot make me to use the shadow form. Inconvenient and boring, but at least "usable" for some others. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/162361-about-the-current-strength-of-the-gestalt/#findComment-1775574 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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