zzzzzzzzzzz Posted December 13, 2024 Share Posted December 13, 2024 This is a survival game, not a competitive game. According to what you said, a dragon fruit pie only needs one dragon fruit ➕ 3 branches to restore 40 health, op！！ A potato can be baked to restore 20 health, op！！ This is also op. You don't even need other means to recover blood when fighting the moon boss. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/162341-%E5%96%9C%E6%AC%A2%E8%AF%B4%E2%80%9Cop%E2%80%9D%E5%92%8C%E2%80%9Cnerf%E2%80%9D%E7%9A%84%E7%8E%A9%E5%AE%B6/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColdHeaven Posted December 13, 2024 Share Posted December 13, 2024 Potatoes, dragonfruits are not perks, everyone can eat them other than wigfrid/warly The ability to do 340 damage per second? Not so much Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/162341-%E5%96%9C%E6%AC%A2%E8%AF%B4%E2%80%9Cop%E2%80%9D%E5%92%8C%E2%80%9Cnerf%E2%80%9D%E7%9A%84%E7%8E%A9%E5%AE%B6/#findComment-1775242 Share on other sites More sharing options...
zzzzzzzzzzz Posted December 13, 2024 Author Share Posted December 13, 2024 4分钟前，ColdHeaven说： 土豆、火龙果不是津贴，除了wigfrid/warly之外，每个人都可以吃它们 每秒造成340次伤害的能力？没那么多 So many people can use it.op Abi, only Wendy can have it. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/162341-%E5%96%9C%E6%AC%A2%E8%AF%B4%E2%80%9Cop%E2%80%9D%E5%92%8C%E2%80%9Cnerf%E2%80%9D%E7%9A%84%E7%8E%A9%E5%AE%B6/#findComment-1775249 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steorra Posted December 13, 2024 Share Posted December 13, 2024 2 minutes ago, ColdHeaven said: Potatoes, dragonfruits are not perks, everyone can eat them it other than wigfrid/warly The ability to do 340 damage per second? Not so much I think the Nerfing process should go from Maxwell (who has no skill tree still) first before it do impact for all other characters who are still far weaker than Maxwell. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/162341-%E5%96%9C%E6%AC%A2%E8%AF%B4%E2%80%9Cop%E2%80%9D%E5%92%8C%E2%80%9Cnerf%E2%80%9D%E7%9A%84%E7%8E%A9%E5%AE%B6/#findComment-1775250 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColdHeaven Posted December 13, 2024 Share Posted December 13, 2024 1 minute ago, zzzzzzzzzzz said: So many people can use it.op Abi, only Wendy can have it. Is wendy banned from eating goop, potatoes, dragonfruits or something Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/162341-%E5%96%9C%E6%AC%A2%E8%AF%B4%E2%80%9Cop%E2%80%9D%E5%92%8C%E2%80%9Cnerf%E2%80%9D%E7%9A%84%E7%8E%A9%E5%AE%B6/#findComment-1775252 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steorra Posted December 13, 2024 Share Posted December 13, 2024 4 minutes ago, Deactive41year said: glomer bug goop? oh please that, for non-PLANT players, subtracts 50 sanity from you lol. i mean potatoes (crop stat, and item stat adjustments) and dragon pie (perhaps no inedible fillers? you could still use forget me lot flowers then) needs some tweaking imo. But G- g- g Glomer goop?!?! then go ask tweaking for potatoes, tomatoes and dragon pie first before you think about other characters balance issue. These foods are more basically for DST and if they are imbalance then any other adjustment for other issue would be too early before we fix those foods. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/162341-%E5%96%9C%E6%AC%A2%E8%AF%B4%E2%80%9Cop%E2%80%9D%E5%92%8C%E2%80%9Cnerf%E2%80%9D%E7%9A%84%E7%8E%A9%E5%AE%B6/#findComment-1775255 Share on other sites More sharing options...
zzzzzzzzzzz Posted December 13, 2024 Author Share Posted December 13, 2024 刚才，ColdHeaven说： 温迪被禁止吃goop、土豆、火龙果或其他东西吗 If you can't understand me, just watch it several times. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/162341-%E5%96%9C%E6%AC%A2%E8%AF%B4%E2%80%9Cop%E2%80%9D%E5%92%8C%E2%80%9Cnerf%E2%80%9D%E7%9A%84%E7%8E%A9%E5%AE%B6/#findComment-1775257 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steorra Posted December 13, 2024 Share Posted December 13, 2024 6 minutes ago, Deactive41year said: glomer bug goop? oh please that, for non-PLANT players, subtracts 50 sanity from you lol. i mean potatoes (crop stat, and item stat adjustments) and dragon pie (perhaps no inedible fillers? you could still use forget me lot flowers then) needs some tweaking imo. But G- g- g Glomer goop?!?! they already said the goop for CC combat. it's a perfect supply if you are fighting CC. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/162341-%E5%96%9C%E6%AC%A2%E8%AF%B4%E2%80%9Cop%E2%80%9D%E5%92%8C%E2%80%9Cnerf%E2%80%9D%E7%9A%84%E7%8E%A9%E5%AE%B6/#findComment-1775258 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gashzer Posted December 13, 2024 Share Posted December 13, 2024 7 minutes ago, zzzzzzzzzzz said: This is a survival game, not a competitive game. According to what you said, a dragon fruit pie only needs one dragon fruit ➕ 3 branches to restore 40 health, op?? A potato can be baked to restore 20 health, op? This is also op. You don't even need other means to recover blood when fighting the moon boss. A survival game is only a survival game if things are properly balanced. Otherwise it's a crazy sandbox with no rules. An extreme example; imagine we started the world with 2 bone armours? Now you are invincible from most attacks from day 1. Is this fun? What's the point of healing or other armours? Starting with bone armour would be OP. Every single game whether it's competitive or not require balance, therefore things need buffs and nerfs. Another way to word this is games need rules for players to follow. If certain character skilltrees begin to break the rules according to the developers design, like making the game too easy or in the case of abigail becoming too strong for little effort, then changes need made. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/162341-%E5%96%9C%E6%AC%A2%E8%AF%B4%E2%80%9Cop%E2%80%9D%E5%92%8C%E2%80%9Cnerf%E2%80%9D%E7%9A%84%E7%8E%A9%E5%AE%B6/#findComment-1775259 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColdHeaven Posted December 13, 2024 Share Posted December 13, 2024 1 minute ago, Steorra said: I think the Nerfing process should go from Maxwell (who has no skill tree still) first before it do impact for all other characters who are still far weaker than Maxwell. I'd like to see some maxwell nerfs but it's far too late now Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/162341-%E5%96%9C%E6%AC%A2%E8%AF%B4%E2%80%9Cop%E2%80%9D%E5%92%8C%E2%80%9Cnerf%E2%80%9D%E7%9A%84%E7%8E%A9%E5%AE%B6/#findComment-1775261 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xplan Posted December 13, 2024 Share Posted December 13, 2024 Just now, ColdHeaven said: I'd like to see some maxwell nerfs but it's far too late now let's nerf everyone Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/162341-%E5%96%9C%E6%AC%A2%E8%AF%B4%E2%80%9Cop%E2%80%9D%E5%92%8C%E2%80%9Cnerf%E2%80%9D%E7%9A%84%E7%8E%A9%E5%AE%B6/#findComment-1775265 Share on other sites More sharing options...
zzzzzzzzzzz Posted December 13, 2024 Author Share Posted December 13, 2024 1分钟前，Deactive41year说： 绿蘑菇更便宜。 也用于敌对的耀斑和树果酱。 Get this for free. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/162341-%E5%96%9C%E6%AC%A2%E8%AF%B4%E2%80%9Cop%E2%80%9D%E5%92%8C%E2%80%9Cnerf%E2%80%9D%E7%9A%84%E7%8E%A9%E5%AE%B6/#findComment-1775269 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steorra Posted December 13, 2024 Share Posted December 13, 2024 2 minutes ago, Deactive41year said: green mushrooms are cheaper. goops used in hostile flares and tree jam aswell. this is just personal choice depend on what a playstyle they have. some of us based nearby mushrooms, some of us are not fans of hostile flares or tree jam. some of us could easily farm tree jam by killing pirates, some of us are cooking enjoyer, who prefer to consume mushrooms by filling in pots. every playstyle need to understand and respect I guess? Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/162341-%E5%96%9C%E6%AC%A2%E8%AF%B4%E2%80%9Cop%E2%80%9D%E5%92%8C%E2%80%9Cnerf%E2%80%9D%E7%9A%84%E7%8E%A9%E5%AE%B6/#findComment-1775272 Share on other sites More sharing options...
zzzzzzzzzzz Posted December 13, 2024 Author Share Posted December 13, 2024 10分钟前，Gashzer说： 生存游戏只有在事物平衡得当的情况时才是一种生存游戏。否则，这是一个没有规则的疯狂沙盒。 一个极端的例子；想象一下，我们用2个骨甲开始世界？现在，从第一天开始，你在大多数攻击中都是无敌的。这好玩吗？治疗或其他盔甲有什么意义？从骨甲开始将是OP。 每场比赛，无论是否具有竞争力，都需要平衡，因此事情需要增益和神经。另一种说法是，游戏需要玩家遵守规则。如果根据开发人员的设计，某些角色技能树开始违反规则，例如让游戏变得太简单，或者阿比盖尔变得太强大，几乎没有努力，那么需要做出改变。 Then you should give feedback to Winona Willowand Wurt first. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/162341-%E5%96%9C%E6%AC%A2%E8%AF%B4%E2%80%9Cop%E2%80%9D%E5%92%8C%E2%80%9Cnerf%E2%80%9D%E7%9A%84%E7%8E%A9%E5%AE%B6/#findComment-1775273 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColdHeaven Posted December 13, 2024 Share Posted December 13, 2024 4 minutes ago, Xplan said: let's nerf everyone We should nerf everyone by giving them the ability to do 340 damage per second. Sad to say but everyone else other than wes or wendy is too strong Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/162341-%E5%96%9C%E6%AC%A2%E8%AF%B4%E2%80%9Cop%E2%80%9D%E5%92%8C%E2%80%9Cnerf%E2%80%9D%E7%9A%84%E7%8E%A9%E5%AE%B6/#findComment-1775274 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steorra Posted December 13, 2024 Share Posted December 13, 2024 2 minutes ago, Deactive41year said: only 1 every 2 to 4 days. for some of us the goop would just stack into a massive amount before we found that "opps there's goop waiting to collect." Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/162341-%E5%96%9C%E6%AC%A2%E8%AF%B4%E2%80%9Cop%E2%80%9D%E5%92%8C%E2%80%9Cnerf%E2%80%9D%E7%9A%84%E7%8E%A9%E5%AE%B6/#findComment-1775275 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danila6300 Posted December 13, 2024 Share Posted December 13, 2024 16 minutes ago, Steorra said: I think the Nerfing process should go from Maxwell (who has no skill tree still) first before it do impact for all other characters who are still far weaker than Maxwell. He needs to be made a god! Now is not the time to discuss Maxwell. When his turn comes, our brothers and sisters who are Maxwell mainers will come to the forum and do things. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/162341-%E5%96%9C%E6%AC%A2%E8%AF%B4%E2%80%9Cop%E2%80%9D%E5%92%8C%E2%80%9Cnerf%E2%80%9D%E7%9A%84%E7%8E%A9%E5%AE%B6/#findComment-1775279 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evelo Posted December 13, 2024 Share Posted December 13, 2024 1 hour ago, zzzzzzzzzzz said: This is a survival game, not a competitive game. Terrible argument. PvE games benefit from balancing dependent on what the developer desires their difficulty level. Souls games are considered hard, yet those are not competitive either. The game gives you options to tailor your server to the experience you want. (Granted there could be more options, and I suggest we ask for those) Klei is going to listen to whomever, if anyone, with regard to balancing. 1 hour ago, zzzzzzzzzzz said: According to what you said, a dragon fruit pie only needs one dragon fruit ➕ 3 branches to restore 40 health, op！！ Given how easy it is to acquire Dragon Fruit, and how easy it is to gather twigs, and how long it takes for Dragon Pies to spoil. Yes, they are OP. Compared to pre RWYS update, they were less powerful as it was less consistent to acquire Dragon Fruit en masse. 1 hour ago, zzzzzzzzzzz said: A potato can be baked to restore 20 health, op！！ Same thing with Dragon Pie. Yea, it is kind of OP. Friend of mine and I made a whole spreadsheet that would rank foods based on material requirements, the difficulty in acquiring said materials, and compare to Hunger, Health, and Sanity. As far as Hunger is concerned, the easiest meat recipe is the Skillet. For health Dragon Pie is much better than Wobster Bisque (which is also highly ranked). It is very subjective given how it is based on the values of how we ranked the material requirement difficulty acquisition. But over all I think a number of people would agree with the results we came to. 1 hour ago, zzzzzzzzzzz said: This is also op. You don't even need other means to recover blood when fighting the moon boss. When fighting in an Enlightenment state, yeah kind of. However it is very limited in acquisition since you can only get 1 Glommer or rely on Moon Quay raids which are highly random (even with a hostile flare). But given your offensive comments towards others and Klei, I doubt you are actually open to others views. Could be wrong though, please, surprise me. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/162341-%E5%96%9C%E6%AC%A2%E8%AF%B4%E2%80%9Cop%E2%80%9D%E5%92%8C%E2%80%9Cnerf%E2%80%9D%E7%9A%84%E7%8E%A9%E5%AE%B6/#findComment-1775309 Share on other sites More sharing options...
zzzzzzzzzzz Posted December 13, 2024 Author Share Posted December 13, 2024 2分钟前，Evelo说： 糟糕的争论。PvE游戏受益于平衡，这取决于开发人员想要的难度。灵魂游戏被认为是很难的，但那些游戏也没有竞争力。该游戏为您提供了根据您的需求体验定制服务器的选项。（诚为可以有更多的选择，我建议我们要求这些选择）Klei会听取任何人的意见，如果有的话，关于平衡。 考虑到获得火龙果是多么容易，收集树枝是多么容易，以及火龙派变质需要多长时间。是的，他们是OP。与RWYS更新前相比，它们的强大程度较低，因为批量获得火龙果的一致性较低。 龙派也一样。是的，这有点像OP。我和我的朋友制作了一整套电子表格，根据材料要求、获取上述材料的难度对食物进行排名，并与饥饿、健康和理智进行比较。就饥饿而言，最简单的肉类食谱是平底锅。就健康而言，Dragon Pie比Wobster Bisque（排名也很高）好。考虑到它是如何基于我们如何对材料需求难度获取进行排名的，这是非常主观的。但就我来说，我认为很多人会同意我们得出的结果。 在启蒙国家战斗时，是的，有点。然而，它的获取非常有限，因为你只能获得1个Glommer或依靠高度随机的Moon Quay突袭（即使有敌对的耀斑）。 但鉴于你对他人和Klei的冒犯性评论，我怀疑你真的愿意接受他人的观点。不过，可能是错的，请给我一个惊喜。 You're right. I suggest you make "balance" feedback on food first. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/162341-%E5%96%9C%E6%AC%A2%E8%AF%B4%E2%80%9Cop%E2%80%9D%E5%92%8C%E2%80%9Cnerf%E2%80%9D%E7%9A%84%E7%8E%A9%E5%AE%B6/#findComment-1775314 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edible Coal Posted December 13, 2024 Share Posted December 13, 2024 in my option balace is only here for making the game more fun Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/162341-%E5%96%9C%E6%AC%A2%E8%AF%B4%E2%80%9Cop%E2%80%9D%E5%92%8C%E2%80%9Cnerf%E2%80%9D%E7%9A%84%E7%8E%A9%E5%AE%B6/#findComment-1775324 Share on other sites More sharing options...
zzzzzzzzzzz Posted December 14, 2024 Author Share Posted December 14, 2024 up Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/162341-%E5%96%9C%E6%AC%A2%E8%AF%B4%E2%80%9Cop%E2%80%9D%E5%92%8C%E2%80%9Cnerf%E2%80%9D%E7%9A%84%E7%8E%A9%E5%AE%B6/#findComment-1775933 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well-met Posted December 14, 2024 Share Posted December 14, 2024 18 hours ago, zzzzzzzzzzz said: This is a survival game abigel kills all monster for me it make me suvive Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/162341-%E5%96%9C%E6%AC%A2%E8%AF%B4%E2%80%9Cop%E2%80%9D%E5%92%8C%E2%80%9Cnerf%E2%80%9D%E7%9A%84%E7%8E%A9%E5%AE%B6/#findComment-1775937 Share on other sites More sharing options...
zzzzzzzzzzz Posted December 14, 2024 Author Share Posted December 14, 2024 3分钟前，Well-met说： 阿比格尔为我杀死了所有怪物，它让我幸不可得 Boni, Fishman, Pigman, Spider, Female Worker Throwing Machine, can solve all monsters. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/162341-%E5%96%9C%E6%AC%A2%E8%AF%B4%E2%80%9Cop%E2%80%9D%E5%92%8C%E2%80%9Cnerf%E2%80%9D%E7%9A%84%E7%8E%A9%E5%AE%B6/#findComment-1775946 Share on other sites More sharing options...
somethin Posted December 14, 2024 Share Posted December 14, 2024 It's so funny when Wendy get overbuffed and Wendy mains immediatly switch mode to "oh that's not op at all" immediatly Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/162341-%E5%96%9C%E6%AC%A2%E8%AF%B4%E2%80%9Cop%E2%80%9D%E5%92%8C%E2%80%9Cnerf%E2%80%9D%E7%9A%84%E7%8E%A9%E5%AE%B6/#findComment-1775962 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DegenerateFurry Posted December 14, 2024 Share Posted December 14, 2024 19 hours ago, ColdHeaven said: Potatoes, dragonfruits are not perks, everyone can eat them other than wigfrid/warly The ability to do 340 damage per second? Not so much Insert gif of Wolfgang flexing. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/162341-%E5%96%9C%E6%AC%A2%E8%AF%B4%E2%80%9Cop%E2%80%9D%E5%92%8C%E2%80%9Cnerf%E2%80%9D%E7%9A%84%E7%8E%A9%E5%AE%B6/#findComment-1775969 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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