New command for abi: Stick together!

[Tranoze]

Abi will now try her best to move as close to you as she can. If you dodge boss, all you need to do is dodge a little bit earlier if you dont want abi to get hit by AOE. 

This way abi will dodge and attack together with you.

This is a really strong command as:
-Provide light if you run slow enough.
-100% up time on damage buff.

But this solve 2 problem 2 sides of Wendy mains both want
-Increase her survivability without needing potions.
-Abi wont solo bosses on her own. She wont be a tank like bernie.

[Edit] Someone has modded abi to do exactly that and this is how the fight look like:

 

 

[layangan putus]

Please add toggle command (instant effect) to turn on/off Abi AoE or retaliation, it's annoying to waste time for dismissing her & summoning back for certain fights. Also implement maximum stack for all elixirs as only 1 in inventory, this would make players to be wise with elixirs usage instead of spamming one type of elixir. Stick Together! could be useful for Klaus fight, those 1500 hp of both gem deers are a bit low but still doable to prevent Enraged Klaus with current AI just make sure to use mod to check deers' hp and dismiss her if their hp are too low.

[Lee lol]

[Shocked!!!! Wendy can take Abigail to fight the moon bear!!! ( The way to change the file) - Bilibili] https://b23.tv/0g32eNQ

 

I don't think it's a good idea. By making Abi follow Wendy less closely, they made Abi more vulnerable in the battle. If Aby and Wendy are close enough, it means that Aby will hardly be injured.

 

Check out this video. This person modified the file to make Abigail's movement speed and follow range. The effect is that as long as you walk well enough, Abigail will hardly be injured.

 

[1007954611]

12 minutes ago, Lee lol said:

[震惊!!!温蒂可以带阿比盖尔去打月熊!!（ 更改文件的方法 ） - Bilibili] https://b23.tv/0g32eNQ

 

我认为这不是一个好主意。通过让 Abi 不那么紧密地跟随 Wendy，他们让 Abi 在战斗中更加脆弱。如果 Aby 和 Wendy 足够接近，那就意味着 Aby 几乎不会受伤。

 

请观看此视频。这个人修改了文件，使 Abigail 的移动速度和跟随范围。效果是，只要你走得足够好，Abigail 几乎不会受伤。

 

Perhaps it can be limited by duration and cooldown

或许可以通过持续时间和cd限制

[Tranoze]

22 minutes ago, Lee lol said:

I don't think it's a good idea.

I understand it is a really really powerful ability as i mentioned earlier, especially if you understand how to dodge bosses on your own. It should be the last skill along the command line, but this allow wendy to put abi in all current and future boss fight as long as the fight is possible as normal character.

[Lee lol]

4 minutes ago, Tranoze said:

I understand it is a really really powerful ability as i mentioned earlier, especially if you understand how to dodge bosses on your own. It should be the last skill along the command line, but this allow wendy to put abi in all current and future boss fight as long as the fight is possible as normal character.

I think this is the original intention of designing the character Wendy. I gradually understood the intention of the design: they like to see us being tortured. Wendy is definitely not a role for beginners. If you want to use her to fight the boss, you will suffer all these: do boring tasks to collect potions; maybe train beefalo and prepare all the saddles for beefalo; repeat the cycle of giving Abi potion in battle - take back Abi - release Aby，even if this may make you attacked by the boss. ;

 

They want us to take care of Abigail while fighting, instead of turning Abi into a pendant, so that you can always fix Wendy as a character with a 1.15 attack multiplier.

 

Perhaps they think that people who like to play DST have a tendency to self-abuse, and they like to put themselves in trouble forever...

 

Unfortunately, but I think that's what they think.

[Wendigail]

I like this, as a reward for players who are proficient in dodging attacks, and wont make those who press hold  F without moving in place become very strong

[Tranoze]

6 hours ago, Lee lol said:

instead of turning Abi into a pendant, so that you can always fix Wendy as a character with a 1.15 attack multiplier.

If you can dodge everything, yes abi is a pendant with give 1.15 or 1.5 multiplier, whatever, but at the cost of if you fail, you also have to pay more price to heal back up, since both abi and wendy take damage by boss attack.

The video only showed what happened if you dodge boss perfectly, wendy downside still kinda unchanged, abi will become very weak and drain sanity if you fail on your movement.

[Lee lol]

4 hours ago, Tranoze said:

If you can dodge everything, yes abi is a pendant with give 1.15 or 1.5 multiplier, whatever, but at the cost of if you fail, you also have to pay more price to heal back up, since both abi and wendy take damage by boss attack.

The video only showed what happened if you dodge boss perfectly, wendy downside still kinda unchanged, abi will become very weak and drain sanity if you fail on your movement.

I donno. Maybe the speed potion could do the same thing.

[Tranoze]

30 minutes ago, Lee lol said:

I donno. Maybe the speed potion could do the same thing.

speed potions require you to move much much earlier and further from boss for abi to move away from boss, aka you need atleast beefalo level of speed to do this. If you fight on foot, this will be much harder without sticking.

[1007954611]

8小时前， Lee lol 说：

我不知道。也许速度药水也可以做同样的事情。

用了速度药水你还是要手动控制阿比盖尔，同时控制角色战斗不是很方便，它这个相当于你技能使用期间只用考虑Wendy本身的走位

[Lee lol]

15 minutes ago, 1007954611 said:

用了速度药水你还是要手动控制阿比盖尔，同时控制角色战斗不是很方便，它这个相当于你技能使用期间只用考虑Wendy本身的走位

是的，我同意，我想这本质上还是一个“强度”和“平衡”问题，因为人们对同一件事的强度和难易程度有着不同的看法。

对于我来说，我可以比较轻松地风筝大多数boss，所以如果温蒂和阿比盖尔能同步，可能对我来说有点太强了，而且丧失了一些操作空间，你可能几乎用不到指令和药水…

Yes, I agree. I think this is essentially a matter of "strength" and "balance", （and also about fun）because people have different views on the intensity and difficulty of the same thing.

For me, I can easily kite most of the bosses, so if Wendy and Abigal can synchronize, it may be a little too strong for me, and lose some operating space, and you may hardly need instructions and potions...

对于那些不喜欢药水的人来说，这是个好办法，但对于喜欢药水玩法的人来说会丧失一些乐趣

This is a good way for those who don't like potions, but for those who like potion gameplay, it will lose some fun.

 

9 minutes ago, Lee lol said:

是的，我同意，我想这本质上还是一个“强度”和“平衡”问题，因为人们对同一件事的强度和难易程度有着不同的看法。

对于我来说，我可以比较轻松地风筝大多数boss，所以如果温蒂和阿比盖尔能同步，可能对我来说有点太强了，而且丧失了一些操作空间，你可能几乎用不到指令和药水…

Yes, I agree. I think this is essentially a matter of "strength" and "balance", because people have different views on the intensity and difficulty of the same thing.

For me, I can easily kite most of the bosses, so if Wendy and Abigal can synchronize, it may be a little too strong for me, and lose some operating space, and you may hardly need instructions and potions...

所以我认为给阿比更多灵活性和防御是更好的办法，包括改善团队精神的指令手感，以及回调格式塔的伤害和生存等等

So I think it's a better way to give Abi more flexibility and defense, including improving the command feel of team spirit, and callback the damage and survival of the gestalt, etc.

[1007954611]

2 minutes ago, Lee lol said:

是的，我同意，我想这本质上还是一个“强度”和“平衡”问题，因为人们对同一件事的强度和难易程度有着不同的看法。

对于我来说，我可以比较轻松地风筝大多数boss，所以如果温蒂和阿比盖尔能同步，可能对我来说有点太强了，而且丧失了一些操作空间，你可能几乎用不到指令和药水…

Yes, I agree. I think this is essentially a matter of "strength" and "balance", because people have different views on the intensity and difficulty of the same thing.

For me, I can easily kite most of the bosses, so if Wendy and Abigal can synchronize, it may be a little too strong for me, and lose some operating space, and you may hardly need instructions and potions...

所以我说可以通过持续时间和使用cd来限制这个技能，只要在持续时间内才能达成wendy和abby的同步

So I said we can limit this skill by duration and using CD

use of cooldowns,
Synchronization between Wendy and Abby can only be achieved within a certain duration

[Lee lol]

3 minutes ago, 1007954611 said:

所以我说可以通过持续时间和使用cd来限制这个技能，只要在持续时间内才能达成wendy和abby的同步

So I said we can limit this skill by duration and using CD

use of cooldowns,
Synchronization between Wendy and Abby can only be achieved within a certain duration

这是一种可行的方法，可以兼顾喜欢药水和不喜欢药水的玩家，如果你喜欢药水你可以不使用这个技能；如果你不喜欢药水，你可以省去一些麻烦

This is a feasible way to balance players who like potion and players who don't like potion. If you like potion, you can not use this skill; if you don't like potion, you can save some trouble.