Why do half of the players want to enhance Abigail's survivability?（En&Ch）

[Zef Wang]

As a Wendy player, I hope that those with different opinions can take some time to listen to the following nonsense.
It's clear that there is a considerable divergence on Wendy's skill tree. It keeps the Klei staff busy (Aaaaah, these Wendy players are so annoying!).
1. Skill tree updates
In fact, Wendy's skill tree updates are rather late, so most players would think that Klei would have more mature ideas and combat capabilities for this skill tree. Yes, this is true; Wortox and Walter's skill trees are quite excellent.
2. Wendy herself
Well, Klei's design of Wendy as a beloved character was a complete mistake. It raises players' expectations too high, to the point where minor mistakes in the skill tree are magnified into a chasm that divides players.
3. Other skill trees
Actually, apart from Wilson, the skill trees of other characters are meant to fill gaps in combat or survival to adapt to version updates. For example, in the rift version, Wolfgang's high damage was not effectively utilized, so a lot of planar damage was added to the skill tree. So, the view that skill trees are not meant to make up for character shortcomings is at least one-sided.
4. Is Wendy really a powerful character?
Unfortunately, she is not. Although among some Wendy players she has the nickname of "Wendyfrid", in reality, Abigail's survivability determines Wendy's capabilities. Facing some bosses with AOE damage, Abigail is extremely prone to being killed. In most cases, without consciously pulling aggro, Abigail can only survive for about 20 to 80 seconds. Constantly re-summoning requires a lot of sanity and elixir, as well as valuable combat time and initiative. It can be summarized that in front of large bosses, Wendy is just a Wes with a bit more health.
As a Wendy player, Abigail's lack of survivability does indeed greatly affect the feel and gameplay experience.
It's not Wendy who is powerful, but the Wendy players themselves.

作为一个温蒂玩家，我希望有不同意见的各位能够抽点时间听听以下的胡言乱语。
很明显，在温蒂技能树上，出现了相当大的分歧。使得科雷员工疲于应付（啊啊啊啊，这群温批怎么这么烦人！）
1，技能树更新方面
事实上，温蒂的技能树更新偏后，所以多数玩家都会认为科雷对于这次技能树的创意和数值方面会成熟一些，是的，这确实，小恶魔和沃尔特的技能树都是相当出色的。
2，温蒂本身
好吧，科雷把温蒂设计成一个颇受喜爱的角色是一个彻头彻尾的失误，这使得玩家对于温蒂的期望过高，以至于技能树的一些小失误都会被放大为使玩家对立的沟壑。
3，其他技能树
实际上，除了威弔以外的其它角色的技能树都是在战斗或生存上补足短板，以适应版本更新。如在裂隙版本，冈子的高伤害不能有效打出，于是在技能树中添加了大量位面伤害。所以那些讨论技能树并不是弥补角色缺点的看法至少是片面的。
4，温蒂真的是一个强力角色吗？
很不幸，她并不是。虽然在一些温蒂玩家中间温蒂拥有温武神的称号，但实际上，阿比盖尔的生存能力决定了温蒂的能力。在面对一些具有AOE伤害的Boss面前，阿比盖尔极其容易战死，多数情况下如果没有有意识地拉扯仇恨的话，阿比盖尔只能生存约20~80秒。而不断重新召唤需要大量的精神值和elixir，以及宝贵的战斗时间和主动权。可以这么概括，在大型boss面前，温蒂只不过是一个拥有高些血量的Wes。
作为一个温蒂玩家，阿比盖尔缺少生存能力确实在很大程度上影响手感和游戏体验。
强力的不是温蒂，而是温蒂玩家。

[ColdHeaven]

just sound like a bunch of entitled wendy players who refuse to acknowledge her strengths and double down on her weakness.

please go play other characters to have a picture of how strong wendy actually is

[Ruperstiltskin]

1 hour ago, Zef Wang said:

Walter's skill trees are quite excellent.

Wrong

[WenericMember]

10 minutes ago, ColdHeaven said:

just sound like a bunch of entitled wendy players who refuse to acknowledge her strengths and double down on her weakness.

please go play other characters to have a picture of how strong wendy actually is

As much as I hope Wendys tree gets a few more buffs to the skills, you're so right. For all this talk about wendy getting nothing new...

Woodie (who is widely considered the best skill tree) had 3 skills for pick speed (Wendy was spared from such an equivalent like willows light radius, or wolfgangs crit chance), 3 for curse timer (pipspook equivalent), alignment skills that are closer to qol, a skill for making more efficient boards (butterflies) and discount football helms and walking sticks (mg 2). Not to mention most of the were skills were pretty minor - small regen, waterproofing, efficiency. Wendys is absolutely better in terms of skill variety and design, if undertuned in some areas.

[lio516]

12 minutes ago, ColdHeaven said:

please go play other characters to have a picture of how strong wendy actually is

I've played all the characters, Wendy, wx78, Winona, Willow, Wanda, Wolfgang, Vic Barton, and I can safely say that Wendy is not weak, but in the current version, he has fallen behind, facing the monster, and if you can't do very well, then Wendy is a superior Wes

In fact, Wendy's players do not want to be able to easily fight all bosses, just because Abigail is too weak in the face of bosses, the damage to Wendy's skill tree comes from the comparison with Winona, Wattox, Willow, and the current Wendy's skill tree will only remind people of Wigford and Wilson, because many skills are only the cherry on top. There was no surprise and no desire to play, and because Wendy was so popular, people were looking forward to it for a long time, and the fact that it was very frustrating, so you could see a lot of dissatisfaction, but it didn't mean that we wanted op Abigail, we just wanted good skill trees that would make the game more fun, Instead of trying to put us off with a bunch of useless stuff just to add a skill tree

[ColdHeaven]

10 minutes ago, lio516 said:

I've played all the characters, Wendy, wx78, Winona, Willow, Wanda, Wolfgang, Vic Barton, and I can safely say that Wendy is not weak, but in the current version, he has fallen behind, facing the monster, and if you can't do very well, then Wendy is a superior Wes

In fact, Wendy's players do not want to be able to easily fight all bosses, just because Abigail is too weak in the face of bosses, the damage to Wendy's skill tree comes from the comparison with Winona, Wattox, Willow, and the current Wendy's skill tree will only remind people of Wigford and Wilson, because many skills are only the cherry on top. There was no surprise and no desire to play, and because Wendy was so popular, people were looking forward to it for a long time, and the fact that it was very frustrating, so you could see a lot of dissatisfaction, but it didn't mean that we wanted op Abigail, we just wanted good skill trees that would make the game more fun, Instead of trying to put us off with a bunch of useless stuff just to add a skill tree

how exactly has wendy fallen behind in damage? she has the third highest damage, only behind wolfgang and wanda. 

[lio516]

3 minutes ago, ColdHeaven said:

how exactly has wendy fallen behind in damage? she has the third highest damage, only behind wolfgang and wanda. 

If you want to know the answer, try it yourself, you watch too much video on the network, in the actual game process, even if you really ride the bull, the first cattle training cost is not included, once you are shot down by the giant beast, the cow is basically declared dead, Wendy players can not risk the death of the cow and Abigail to pursue so much output, the actual output will only be lower. But not Wolfgang and Wanda, because they only have to think about themselves, even if they are blown away. But being blown away is deadly for Wendy and the cow, and yet you keep repeating dps without considering the actual risks, which makes me feel powerless to communicate with you, and there are a lot of people like you, and once the designers really believe it, then the end is coming for real Wendy players

[Lee Sy]

没有人在多人游戏中使用过温蒂吗，你可以看到其他角色在游戏中会承担什么作用，而温蒂又能做什么？

Wortox可以快速开图，做月亮线的任务，群体回复。

Wickerbottom可以快速再生大量基础资源，呼风唤雨，偷天换日。

Wiillow可以灭火，清理蜘蛛和杀人蜂，在前期提供基地照明，处理野怪。

Maxwell可以远距离传送物资，收集基础资源，在同dragonfly和蜂后作战时也有很大作用。

……

Even Wilson, 可以制作彩虹宝石。

But how about Wendy？

事实上，当你在多人游戏中选出了这个角色，大家就会默认你是个新手，你不需要做任何事情。当你换上漂亮的皮肤待在基地旁，你会在收到来自Wigfrid的头盔，甚至送你一头驯好的牛？会有Wormwood和Wally喂你吃东西，晚上Willow会在你附近召唤一个火球，Wolfgang和Maxwell会塞给你一个蜂王冠或是启迪之冠，Wortox会给你一份探索好的地图。

当你想要做些什么时候，你会发现，你只能在基地整理物资或者用地皮装饰了。所有的BOSS都被土豆人解决了，剩下的战斗则被薇洛和小恶魔承担了，砍树效率不如伍迪和老麦，战斗能力不如土豆人，耕种不如植物人，功能性不如薇洛和小恶魔，烹饪能力不如厨师，也没有威尔逊的不可替代性……纯粹的花瓶

温蒂是一个纯粹的战斗角色，她需要一些战斗方面的额外提升有什么问题，她无法为自己的队友提供任何帮助，如果连伤害都不如其他角色，我实在不懂她还有什么用。

[djturner]

For those that are concerned about Abigail dying in some fights, good news, she's getting a more survivable form, the ability to enter a fight with double HP, a potion to instantly return her to level 3 after she dies, better controls, and some planar defense to help out. Mind boggling to me that more is being demanded in this area considering she has - quite literally - no other weakness other than when Abigail is missing, Wendy does less damage.

[cyjs]

15 minutes ago, djturner said:

For those that are concerned about Abigail dying in some fights, good news, she's getting a more survivable form, the ability to enter a fight with double HP, a potion to instantly return her to level 3 after she dies, better controls, and some planar defense to help out. Mind boggling to me that more is being demanded in this area considering she has - quite literally - no other weakness other than when Abigail is missing, Wendy does less damage.

every one of us has actually experienced it on the test server. This is something we all know.

 Because the waiting time for the shield is too long, Moon Abigail is not perfect, the effect of the potion is too filling, the large amount of preparation time is annoying, etc,Wh，Anyway, here we are

[Xplan]

2 minutes ago, djturner said:

For those that are concerned about Abigail dying in some fights, good news, she's getting a more survivable form, the ability to enter a fight with double HP, a potion to instantly return her to level 3 after she dies, better controls, and some planar defense to help out. Mind boggling to me that more is being demanded in this area considering she has - quite literally - no other weakness other than when Abigail is missing, Wendy does less damage.

This is the only goal the skill tree managed to achieve. Skills about gravestone and Pipspook is for cheap elixirs. So, Wendy can use as much elixir as it is needed, to pretend Abi from missing. Team spirits mostly are used to help Abi evading. Nothing really new except the Wraith Wreath and the Wraith Wreath is useless. 

[Zef Wang]

3 hours ago, ColdHeaven said:

just sound like a bunch of entitled wendy players who refuse to acknowledge her strengths and double down on her weakness.

please go play other characters to have a picture of how strong wendy actually is

Of course, otherwise I wouldn't have posted. Sir, with characters like Willow, Wolfgang, Wanda, Maxwell, WX78, I find it very easy to clear the ancient areas and can gather enough ancient equipment for a six-person team within four days of entering the region. The gameplay experience is also very good. I don't know where your doubt comes from.

[Xplan]

3 hours ago, ColdHeaven said:

how exactly has wendy fallen behind in damage? she has the third highest damage, only behind wolfgang and wanda. 

Warly, Willow, Maxwell, Wurt, Webber dont think so.

[Steorra]

4 hours ago, ColdHeaven said:

just sound like a bunch of entitled wendy players who refuse to acknowledge her strengths and double down on her weakness.

please go play other characters to have a picture of how strong wendy actually is

Just sounds like gatekeeping

[Zef Wang]

On 12/11/2024 at 7:24 PM, Ruperstiltskin said:

Wrong

I partially agree; I've found in actual combat that Walter's bullet applications are quite extensive. As for creativity... I wish they would play Terraria for some inspiration.

On 12/11/2024 at 7:47 PM, ColdHeaven said:

how exactly has wendy fallen behind in damage? she has the third highest damage, only behind wolfgang and wanda. 

哈！你一定看了我在Bilibili的评论。那个暗影温蒂的伤害是我测的，虽然高，但是这是站桩伤害，而且用到的辅助buff相当多，而在实际战斗里影阿比走位一言难尽（被玩家和boss来回风筝，天）。

月温呢？她被削之前伤害是影温的一半。

而且我只测了薇格弗德，冈子，旺达和温蒂的伤害，有很多有潜力的角色没有测，如薇洛和沃尔特，因此不要盲目相信那个评论，我一时测个高伤就截图了，事实上，就算那个dps也不准，浮动太大了，我是挑高的时候截的图。