A Warm Reflection on Our Community and the Developers' Efforts

[renamoe]

Hi everyone,

I want to share this vignette: the Complimentary 10th Anniversary (Signed).

"Celebrate ten years of surviving the- oh how embarrassing, some hooligans have scribbled their names all over it!"

It's warm and cozy, and it made me reflect on why we're all here. We're players of Don't Starve Together, and many of us who come to the forums are not just casual players—we're devoted fans. This shared love for the game is our starting point.

Yes, there's dissatisfaction about the recent beta updates, and I'm among those who feel it too. But let's not forget the developers—they've been tirelessly working, delivering weekly hotfixes after the beta's release, and even hosting livestreams to connect with us. Their dedication is remarkable and should not go unnoticed.

I truly believe that the Klei team will continue to adjust and refine Wendy's skill tree. It's still a beta, and they've shown they're listening. 

Remember the shared love that brought us all here in the first place.

[Lee lol]

That’s really touching. I absolutely agree with you. It is because we love the DST and Wendy so much that we have higher expectations to it. And a lot of gratitudes to the devs. They maybe not doing well at the beginning but they are trying to improve it, listen to our suggestions.And Wendy players will continue to share our feedback and suggestions.

Be peaceful, kind and concise, always respect others while giving your opinion. This will relief a lot of burden for us.

I believe the final version of skill tree will be farther better and exciting to the Wendy mains and others.

Hope you everyone have a good night.

[Mike23Ua]

That vignette was for the 10 year anniversary of Dont Starve, but next year we will get the 10 year anniversary of DST. I’m excited to see what sort of announcements they’ll have (if any) as a Wendy Main, I’m looking forward to the final results they come up with for Wendy’s skill tree, but I’ll be extremely bored with it if they cave to peoples (sometimes harsh) demands to make her extremely broken just because she’s the most popular character in the game.

I actually feel ashamed that my favorite DS/DST character has to be attached to such rude behavior throughout the forums & other sites.

AND because I’m FAIR when I compare Wendy’s Rework to her Skill tree she has a lot of cool neat new stuff she did not have prior to the skill tree. And when I compare her skill tree to the likes of Willows & Wigfrids, it feels like it’s lining up nicely on par with them, in terms of new content for Wendy players to play around with.

The devs are just getting threats and insults thrown their way because some people wanted a busted OP re-Make of Wendy, and they’ll be incredibly rude about it until they get it. But now that the devs are issuing out warnings and bans again for people violating the community guidelines, hopefully this will become a much more peaceful place. <3

[SilverSpoon]

Indeed.

I have to admit that people "outside the forums" have responded very aggressively

But in return, the people in forums have also responded very aggressively.

Now the retaliation is even affecting people who are still posting in a reasonable manner. At this point, unless one side buries the hatchet, this will do more damage to the wonderful game that is Don't Starve Together than anything else.

 

2 minutes ago, Mike23Ua said:

The devs are just getting threats and insults thrown their way because some people wanted a busted OP re-Make of Wendy, and they’ll be incredibly rude about it until they get it. But now that the devs are issuing out warnings and bans again for people violating the community guidelines, hopefully this will become a much more peaceful place. <3

In the end, I agree that Klei should crack down on those who violate the guidelines. But that doesn't just include those who are rude to Klei, it also includes those who are rude to whole of Chinese people or innocent people who just have opinions on Windy.

[DegenerateFurry]

Yeah, people far too often forget that the devs for this game are continuously releasing free updates. Even the skins (how they make their money) can be woven for free if you play enough to get the spools to weave them. As someone who's spent far too much time on Team Fortress 2 (a game which hasn't had a major content update since 2017), I can say with certainty: DST players don't know how lucky they are to have devs like Klei. 

[oak_sapling]

Although it may not be easy, I still hope Klei can pay more attention to their construction in the Chinese community, which should help them understand and control the misunderstandings that exist in the community. These misunderstandings may not necessarily be intentional or only exist in specific individuals or communities, they are byproducts of language, habits, and understanding. I don't want to express it too pessimistically, but letting them go may breed distrust and confrontation.

[gaymime]

9 minutes ago, oak_sapling said:

Although it may not be easy, I still hope Klei can pay more attention to their construction in the Chinese community, which should help them understand and control the misunderstandings that exist in the community. These misunderstandings may not necessarily be intentional or only exist in specific individuals or communities, they are byproducts of language, habits, and understanding. I don't want to express it too pessimistically, but letting them go may breed distrust and confrontation.

unfortunately there is a very high chance of alienating and making klei not want to do any more of this free work by doing this. i am sure you have seen a lot of the comments posted in the forum that are very 996 in their insistence of more now better yesterday, hurry hurry.

[oak_sapling]

24 minutes ago, gaymime said:

unfortunately there is a very high chance of alienating and making klei not want to do any more of this free work by doing this. i am sure you have seen a lot of the comments posted in the forum that are very 996 in their insistence of more now better yesterday, hurry hurry.

I know, I just hope there could be a better way to solve these problems, but, I don't know, it is depressing.

[gaymime]

1 minute ago, oak_sapling said:

I know, I just hope there could be a better way to solve these problems, but, I don't know, it is depressing.

i agree

[AliceShiki]

1 hour ago, oak_sapling said:

Although it may not be easy, I still hope Klei can pay more attention to their construction in the Chinese community, which should help them understand and control the misunderstandings that exist in the community. These misunderstandings may not necessarily be intentional or only exist in specific individuals or communities, they are byproducts of language, habits, and understanding. I don't want to express it too pessimistically, but letting them go may breed distrust and confrontation.

Honestly... Why do people mention "the Chinese community" as if it was a special group of people?

I don't get it. We all play the same game. We all bought it with our money, and we are playing the game and discussing it.

I dunno, I don't see why anyone would care about where anybody else is living for this kind of discussion. I don't care about the needs of "the Chinese community", I care about the needs of the players, which naturally includes anyone who is Chinese and bought the game.

I obviously can't speak for the devs, so I dunno how they feel about it, but I think people should just stop mentioning country of origin in the discussions about a game beta as if country of origin mattered... It really doesn't matter. Everyone's opinions are equally valid, so just voice them for what they are and the devs will take them into account when deciding what they want to do with the skill trees.

[Lee lol]

21 minutes ago, AliceShiki said:

Honestly... Why do people mention "the Chinese community" as if it was a special group of people?

I don't get it. We all play the same game. We all bought it with our money, and we are playing the game and discussing it.

I dunno, I don't see why anyone would care about where anybody else is living for this kind of discussion. I don't care about the needs of "the Chinese community", I care about the needs of the players, which naturally includes anyone who is Chinese and bought the game.

I obviously can't speak for the devs, so I dunno how they feel about it, but I think people should just stop mentioning country of origin in the discussions about a game beta as if country of origin mattered... It really doesn't matter. Everyone's opinions are equally valid, so just voice them for what they are and the devs will take them into account when deciding what they want to do with the skill trees.

I'm guessing it's because Chinese players make up a large portion of DST. If the Chinese community doesn't matter, why would Kelei set up an account on the Chinese video platform Bilibili? But while they post communication posts on bilibili every month, they never reply to comments...... Perhaps this is the reason why more Chinese players are calling for it to be taken seriously

[mima_]

4 minutes ago, Lee lol said:

I'm guessing it's because Chinese players make up a large portion of DST

while its large player base from one country its fill less than 1/3 part of whole DST community i believe.

5 minutes ago, Lee lol said:

Chinese video platform Bilibili?

maybe because youtube is blocked by chinese goverment, that what google said but idk. CMIIW

6 minutes ago, Lee lol said:

But while they post communication posts on bilibili every month, they never reply to comments

but i bet they didnt reply to any of post directly here too.

[oak_sapling]

38 minutes ago, AliceShiki said:

人们

I hope I haven't left you with an overly arrogant impression. Due to policy reasons, Chinese players rarely know or participate in the construction of forums, and they hardly respond sufficiently to Klei's live demonstrations, which cannot be influenced by our subjective will. In this environment, the opinions and concepts of Chinese players often only circulate within our own community. If you isolate a creature, it will evolve into a different form, and if these perspectives cannot communicate with each other, they will eventually form huge differences. I cannot say that Klei did not collect these opinions at all, but this is only an indirect participation, and in the absence of feedback, it is easy to develop some distrust emotions. You can see the current chaotic situation, but I don't think it's the whole picture of the event. I personally believe that poor communication and misunderstandings erode people's patience, ultimately leading to every communication carrying a lot of confrontation. I don't want what I propose to become some kind of privilege, I just hope it can become a little adjustment in this difficult to change situation.

[mima_]

39 minutes ago, AliceShiki said:

but I think people should just stop mentioning country of origin in the discussions about a game beta as if country of origin mattered... It really doesn't matter. Everyone's opinions are equally valid, so just voice them for what they are and the devs will take them into account when deciding what they want to do with the skill trees.

thank you! 

[Peasant]

37 minutes ago, AliceShiki said:

Honestly... Why do people mention "the Chinese community" as if it was a special group of people?

I don't get it. We all play the same game. We all bought it with our money, and we are playing the game and discussing it.

I dunno, I don't see why anyone would care about where anybody else is living for this kind of discussion. I don't care about the needs of "the Chinese community", I care about the needs of the players, which naturally includes anyone who is Chinese and bought the game.

I obviously can't speak for the devs, so I dunno how they feel about it, but I think people should just stop mentioning country of origin in the discussions about a game beta as if country of origin mattered... It really doesn't matter. Everyone's opinions are equally valid, so just voice them for what they are and the devs will take them into account when deciding what they want to do with the skill trees.

Because klei had always lacked the conduit to communicate with the Chinese community. The situation of chinese players is kinda like, isolated? I don't if it's the right word to use, anyway, isolated from the rest players of the world. There are various issues behind this, I don't think I can explain it clearly.

Anycase, being isolated is a special issue, leading to chinese players had their own community, and with klei lacking conduits to communicate with the community, people eventually become, more isolated?

10 minutes ago, mima_ said:

but i bet they didnt reply to any of post directly here too.

I recall seeing jason, joew and other developers replying to posts here, one i remeber is related to…wheel issue? Or was it something else…

[SilverSpoon]

1 hour ago, AliceShiki said:

Honestly... Why do people mention "the Chinese community" as if it was a special group of people?

It's the language barrier.

Chinese (and Japanese) and English are so different that Google Translate often conveys the wrong nuance.

If this results in a toxic and terrible conflict like this one, then dividing the community into Chinese and English is an option.

If we don't want to put such a burden on Klei, we must be tolerant of each other, assuming that there is a language barrier, and avoid trolls who just want to stir up conflict.

[mima_]

3 minutes ago, YXukun said:

I recall seeing jason, joew and other developers replying to posts here, one i remeber is related to…wheel issue? Or was it something else…

simple peek at his profile and u can see the post he was replying was not really a reply about people suggestion its simply an explanation about some of new stuff added?
i bet you were not looking for that kind of reply are u ?

this is my view,
since seeing how it is the comments being made there might not really on good note (which i never seen so much toxicity and trash talking in so many post before this wave) if im developer i will focus on reading feedback and suggestion being made instead of replying hate comments one by one.
also the main developers were based in canada which not speaking chinese so might be harder to read each of comments and filtering whole bunch of comments.
 atleast now you are trying to convey your opinion in their language, that one step closer to be heard cus its easier to be understand by them now.  but hell i think u wont still get replied directly like " good job i will copy paste this idea to game right away" -kind of post. 

but u probably will get love reply post from Joew if being overly toxic cus he moderator of the forum. or their lovely thread lock 


 

[Peasant]

1 hour ago, mima_ said:

simple peek at his profile and u can see the post he was replying was not really a reply about people suggestion its simply an explanation about some of new stuff added?
i bet you were not looking for that kind of reply are u ?

I don't quite get what you mean…I looked the conversation between you and the other fellow again, and I'm still confused. What has it to do with the kind of reply? In bilibili they simply never reply, so I don't quite understand why you mentioning explainations and reply to suggestions…

1 hour ago, mima_ said:

this is my view,
since seeing how it is the comments being made there might not really on good note (which i never seen so much toxicity and trash talking in so many post before this wave) if im developer i will focus on reading feedback and suggestion being made instead of replying hate comments one by one.
also the main developers were based in canada which not speaking chinese so might be harder to read each of comments and filtering whole bunch of comments.
 atleast now you are trying to convey your opinion in their language, that one step closer to be heard cus its easier to be understand by them now.  but hell i think u wont still get replied directly like " good job i will copy paste this idea to game right away" -kind of post. 

but u probably will get love reply post from Joew if being overly toxic cus he moderator of the forum. or their lovely thread lock 

And the rest confuses me even more…What are you talking about? What paste the idea to game? Anyone mentioned hate comments or wishes they "copy paste this idea to game right away" at all?

[mima_]

all im saying u wont get any reply on your suggestion directly not here not anywhere. they heard and cook what they want the game fit what they think the game should be anyway.

well,nvm all of that,
aint gonna bother to explain anyfurther.  english not my main language too so its pain in anyway engaging more in this.
peace im out.

 

[AliceShiki]

6 hours ago, SilverSpoon said:

If we don't want to put such a burden on Klei, we must be tolerant of each other, assuming that there is a language barrier, and avoid trolls who just want to stir up conflict.

Oh, I agree with that. Just report trolls and move on. No need to engage with them and let them flame others and whatever.

As long as people are giving constructive feedback OTOH, we can easily respect them and move on with our lives while Klei does the development part of the game.

6 hours ago, oak_sapling said:

I personally believe that poor communication and misunderstandings erode people's patience

I mean, Klei is fantastic at communicating their thoughts? They're even making extra threads to explain their thoughts behinds the changes now.

Not to mention streams and the like.

Misunderstandings... Dunno how Klei would have caused any misunderstandings, really. They're handling the process in the same way they always did.

It's really rare to see devs that communicate with the community as much as Klei does, so I don't really get your point, really.

[oak_sapling]

3 hours ago, AliceShiki said:

 

 

Let me try using Wigfrid's skill tree update as an example. Because Wigfrid's 1.25 attack multiplier cannot be transmitted to Beefalo, and the battle song does not work on beefalo, many Chinese players have formed the concept that wigfrid does not need to tame beefalo. Therefore, there is a viewpoint that is not in line with the character in the skill tree related to taming cows. At that time, Klei had expressed that this design was related to the background of the character played by Wigfrid, but in the final version, apart from enhancing inspiration, no other mechanisms related to attack multiplier, new weapons or battle songs were added. Many people believed that these skills were little value. This example is not meant to accuse a specific viewpoint, but to illustrate that in a relatively isolated situation, different communities can have vastly different viewpoints, which is the cause of misreading. On this basis, many Chinese players cannot directly access forums or live streaming platforms like Twitch. Klei's work here can only be reported in a fragmented way, and as I mentioned before, the video platforms that Chinese players can directly access rarely receive feedback from Klei, which to some extent affects attempts to seek consensus between different ideas.

[renamoe]

11 hours ago, AliceShiki said:

Honestly... Why do people mention "the Chinese community" as if it was a special group of people?

I don't get it. We all play the same game. We all bought it with our money, and we are playing the game and discussing it.

I dunno, I don't see why anyone would care about where anybody else is living for this kind of discussion. I don't care about the needs of "the Chinese community", I care about the needs of the players, which naturally includes anyone who is Chinese and bought the game.

I obviously can't speak for the devs, so I dunno how they feel about it, but I think people should just stop mentioning country of origin in the discussions about a game beta as if country of origin mattered... It really doesn't matter. Everyone's opinions are equally valid, so just voice them for what they are and the devs will take them into account when deciding what they want to do with the skill trees.

Just my humble opinion. This is exactly what I think as well—Chinese players are no different from any other players, and that's how it should be. It ensures that they are neither discriminated against nor given an unfair advantage.

The simplest and most effective approach is to treat Chinese players' opinions as just "players' opinions", without attaching any regional label.

I also believe this approach could improve communication and understanding across the board.

22 minutes ago, oak_sapling said:

Let me try using Wigfrid's skill tree update as an example. Because Wigfrid's 1.25 attack multiplier cannot be transmitted to Beefalo, and the battle song does not work on beefalo, many Chinese players have formed the concept that wigfrid does not need to tame beefalo. Therefore, there is a viewpoint that is not in line with the character in the skill tree related to taming cows. At that time, Klei had expressed that this design was related to the background of the character played by Wigfrid, but in the final version, apart from enhancing inspiration, no other mechanisms related to attack multiplier, new weapons or battle songs were added. Many people believed that these skills were little value. This example is not meant to accuse a specific viewpoint, but to illustrate that in a relatively isolated situation, different communities can have vastly different viewpoints, which is the cause of misreading. On this basis, many Chinese players cannot directly access forums or live streaming platforms like Twitch. Klei's work here can only be reported in a fragmented way, and as I mentioned before, the video platforms that Chinese players can directly access rarely receive feedback from Klei, which to some extent affects attempts to seek consensus between different ideas.

I completely resonate with this. I've also noticed that there's no direct feedback from Klei on official Bilibili, and since that's the primary platform I follow, I can't say much about their responsiveness on others like Twitch or YouTube.

If what you've said is true—that Klei is more active on platforms not easily accessible to Chinese players—then combined with the fact that there are so few Chinese members on this forum, it's very possible that the voices from the Chinese community are underestimated. These barriers you've pointed out really do hinder the flow of ideas and the ability to reach a consensus across different player bases.

[AliceShiki]

3 hours ago, oak_sapling said:

Let me try using Wigfrid's skill tree update as an example. Because Wigfrid's 1.25 attack multiplier cannot be transmitted to Beefalo, and the battle song does not work on beefalo, many Chinese players have formed the concept that wigfrid does not need to tame beefalo. Therefore, there is a viewpoint that is not in line with the character in the skill tree related to taming cows. At that time, Klei had expressed that this design was related to the background of the character played by Wigfrid, but in the final version, apart from enhancing inspiration, no other mechanisms related to attack multiplier, new weapons or battle songs were added. Many people believed that these skills were little value. This example is not meant to accuse a specific viewpoint, but to illustrate that in a relatively isolated situation, different communities can have vastly different viewpoints, which is the cause of misreading. On this basis, many Chinese players cannot directly access forums or live streaming platforms like Twitch. Klei's work here can only be reported in a fragmented way, and as I mentioned before, the video platforms that Chinese players can directly access rarely receive feedback from Klei, which to some extent affects attempts to seek consensus between different ideas.

For the record, most people agree that Wigfrid doesn't have much of a point fighting with Beefalos.

Like, there is a neat benefit related to keeping Inspiration around with Beefalos, but it's definitely a very side benefit that most people don't make use of. There are plenty of people who want the beefalo skill tree removed from Wigfrid and put on a character that actually has better synergies with beefalos.

So uhn... Well, opinions on Chinese forums on this don't seem to be that different from the opinions I see in these forums! xD

3 hours ago, renamoe said:

Just my humble opinion. This is exactly what I think as well—Chinese players are no different from any other players, and that's how it should be. It ensures that they are neither discriminated against nor given an unfair advantage.

The simplest and most effective approach is to treat Chinese players' opinions as just "players' opinions", without attaching any regional label.

I also believe this approach could improve communication and understanding across the board.

Glad we can agree on that! \(^^)/

3 hours ago, renamoe said:

I completely resonate with this. I've also noticed that there's no direct feedback from Klei on official Bilibili, and since that's the primary platform I follow, I can't say much about their responsiveness on others like Twitch or YouTube.

For the record, this is probably more of a logistical hurdle that Klei faces.

As in... They don't have anybody that speaks Chinese in the team, so it's hard for them to directly interact in Chinese platforms. They can post their content there, but actively interacting is much harder.

I don't think they interact with viewers on Youtube at all though... When they do Twitch Streams though, I believe they do look at the chat to see what people are saying, and sometimes reply to the comments in chat.

Most of the official communication happens on this forum though.

[kroban]

15 hours ago, Lee lol said:

they never reply to comments

14 hours ago, YXukun said:

I recall seeing jason, joew and other developers replying to posts here, one i remeber is related to…wheel issue? Or was it something else…

Huuuh devs barely reply to comments here, its pretty rare if they do, out of thousands of weekly comments they may reply to 1 just to clarify something, but thats it. We know that they pay attention here mostly because in the updates we see that they change things or implement some ideas that comes from our opinions/feedback. But its not like we all get direct replies lol. I dont know why the people in BiliBili think that they should expect better treatment when theres way more to answer there + language barrier that makes it way harder to reply.

And I dont think that the devs not replying directly is something "bad", they already make posts each month explaining their objectives, and when the next update is closer they make posts weekly. They have to be extra careful with what they say (specially if theres a language barrier), and each time they reply to someone some people might get the expectation that they should get an answer too, and that can create toxicity.

[Hollow soul 3]

Kind of feels too obvious to post, but no one gets upset over bad games. No ones stopping by a shovelware's forums to post about updates.