A depressed Wendy player who has played for 1000 hours has some weak thoughts on the beta version of Wendy

[Uedo]

Edit: Assumed a post was AI, I was wrong.

[Maxposting]

7 minutes ago, Uedo said:

C

ChatGPT, Write me a sonnet about the dangers of AI.

This person does type weirdly, maybe they do utilize AI for translation, but I think they're legit and actually mean what they post. The kindness is a whiplash on this forum, but I think they're cool, even if a bit fake-sounding.

[zzzzzzzzzzz]

I have to sigh that some people are really vicious in their hearts.

People who are both mean and vicious

[Uedo]

4 minutes ago, Maxposting said:

This person does type weirdly, maybe they do utilize AI for translation, but I think they're legit and actually mean what they post. The kindness is a whiplash on this forum, but I think they're cool, even if a bit fake-sounding.

Ah my bad, will edit. 
My apologies @renamoe!

[renamoe]

Edit:

It seems there was a misunderstanding. I want to assure you that we are expressing ourselves sincerely, and I have no intention of causing any trouble.

[Uedo]

4 minutes ago, zzzzzzzzzzz said:

I have to sigh that some people are really vicious in their hearts.

People who are both mean and vicious

That's a bit too black and white, people are more complex than that. 

Take reassurance in the fact that that isn't the case for anyone you've characterised as that.

1 minute ago, renamoe said:

I feel offended by your comment, as it seems to focus more on my expression than the content of the discussion.

Well the assumption was that it wasn't YOUR expression, but this has been cleared up by @Maxposting. 

I think when you see inconsistencies in typical conversational expression you're allowed to query it, I'm not responsible for your assumptions of my intentions, with the greatest of respect.

[renamoe]

5 minutes ago, Uedo said:

Ah my bad, will edit. 
My apologies @renamoe!

Apology accepted, and thank you for reaching out.

I just saw your post about Wendy, and I really appreciate your ideas.

Best wishes!

4 minutes ago, Uedo said:

That's a bit too black and white, people are more complex than that. 

Take reassurance in the fact that that isn't the case for anyone you've characterised as that.

Well the assumption was that it wasn't YOUR expression, but this has been cleared up by @Maxposting. 

I think when you see inconsistencies in typical conversational expression you're allowed to query it, I'm not responsible for your assumptions of my intentions, with the greatest of respect.

Thank you, @Maxposting for helping to clarify things. I want to emphasize that these are my genuine feelings, and I'm sorry if the way I expressed them came across poorly.

I also apologize for my earlier reaction—I recognize that I could have handled it better, especially knowing that you, too, are facing mental health challenges.

I truly hope I didn't cause you any distress.

[Uedo]

6 minutes ago, renamoe said:

Apology accepted, and thank you for reaching out.

I just saw your post about Wendy, and I really appreciate your ideas.

Best wishes!

Thank you, @Maxposting for helping to clarify things. I want to emphasize that these are my genuine feelings, and I'm sorry if the way I expressed them came across poorly.

I also apologize for my earlier reaction—I recognize that I could have handled it better, especially knowing that you, too, are facing mental health challenges.

I truly hope I didn't cause you any distress.

No honestly, you've done nothing wrong, it's nice to meet you and I appreciate you sharing  

[aidankocherhans]

45 minutes ago, Maxposting said:

I am aware there was a flood of players who were harassing and trolling (and then there were reactionary trolls to these trolls who were not new posters altogether). It is genuinely not productive to point these trolls out in every thread as the trolls will actually say just inflammatory stuff and derail any thread. Putting the trolls as *mainly* or *only* chinese does just fuel actually bigoted sentiments. Peace

Are you saying that it's wrong to comment on people who are harassing others, but it's fine to point out the "odd" behavior of their victims?

[dust star]

If Klei does not change his regressive and foolish updates, and continues to showcase his pitiful and laughable plans, the number of fans who really love Klei will decrease, and he will eventually taste the bitter fruit he has sown.

[Maxposting]

8 minutes ago, aidankocherhans said:

Are you saying that it's wrong to comment on people who are harassing others, but it's fine to point out the "odd" behavior of their victims?

No. My point is that the trolls will react and harrass regardless until they get banned or give up, and to muddle the line between regular chinese folk and nefarious trolls just gives ground to bigotry, which is why he got called racist. The validity or good-faithedness of that claim I can't check, as I cannot find the original thread to re-read, but for me it left a negative opinion of everyone who was arguing there.

39 minutes ago, renamoe said:

I truly hope I didn't cause you any distress.

Nah, we're good.

[SullyD]

3 hours ago, Maxposting said:

I am aware there was a flood of players who were harassing and trolling (and then there were reactionary trolls to these trolls who were not new posters altogether). It is genuinely not productive to point these trolls out in every thread as the trolls will actually say just inflammatory stuff and derail any thread. Putting the trolls as *mainly* or *only* chinese does just fuel actually bigoted sentiments. Peace

Nothing more than the consequences of their own actions.

[lio516]

4 hours ago, Sacco said:

me too... Just for an opinion i got called racist...

Don't play victim. Just because you deleted your old speech doesn't mean no one saw it

[Sacco]

8 minutes ago, lio516 said:

Don't play victim. Just because you deleted your old speech doesn't mean no one saw it

i have never deleted anything bro

[aidankocherhans]

12 minutes ago, lio516 said:

Don't play victim. Just because you deleted your old speech doesn't mean no one saw it

I saw their old speech, it was not racist. And in this thread they literally were called racist over an irrelevant opinion

[Sacco]

5 hours ago, yinjiu019 said:

I don't want everyone to quarrel...
We want a relaxed and happy exchange

We also hope that everyone will not make too many insulting remarks. It will make everyone unhappy...
Everyone must have gathered together with love for the characters and DST, right?

So... let's play games happily together?
This is the meaning of the existence of this game~

i hope it too

[Mike23Ua]

6 hours ago, cyjs said:

There was a vote of 50 people on the forum. 90% of the players expressed dissatisfaction and 40% asked for a redo. I hope your vision is not so narrow. Sacco, I have started to collect evidence for your previous discriminatory remarks. Please pay attention.

They did rework the skill tree yesterday, so unless you remade your poll, it’s now invalid.

And I’m pretty sure now that Wendy has features like “haunt” drinking her ecto Elixers and gravestone reviving methods- your poll results will be drastically different from her first poll vote for the original (and rightfully deserved poorly received) concept.. but it’s had extensive work done to it now and her skill tree is starting to catch up to Wigfrid/Willows.

But considering there’s several posts about “Rework Wigfrids Skill Tree” I’ve personally come to the conclusion that some folks just can’t ever be satisfied.

[Siren11]

26 minutes ago, Mike23Ua said:

They did rework the skill tree yesterday, so unless you remade your poll, it’s now invalid.

To be fair, I think those results were from  @WenericMember’s poll, which was made after (and directly in response to) yesterday’s update. People seemed happier before that. And though there are a surprising number of people who want Wendy’s skill tree to be completely redone, I think a lot of the unsatisfied people just want tweaks to a few skills or think Gestalt Abby got overnerfed.

[WenericMember]

46 minutes ago, Siren11 said:

To be fair, I think those results were from  @WenericMember’s poll, which was made after (and directly in response to) yesterday’s update. People seemed happier before that. And though there are a surprising number of people who want Wendy’s skill tree to be completely redone, I think a lot of the unsatisfied people just want tweaks to a few skills or think Gestalt Abby got overnerfed.

Yes, will confirm this poll was after the latest updates, and the results seem to be prwtty stable.

 

 

[ColdHeaven]

Can we just make wendy unironically broken OP and focus on other characters instead

[Well-met]

Proper moderation would have this thread closed and direct you to help, since you're clearly trying to mix in personal distress into an arguing point.

 

[Edible Coal]

1 hour ago, ColdHeaven said:

Can we just make wendy unironically broken OP and focus on other characters instead

people want more stuff to do as wendy not just big numbers

[Mike23Ua]

18 hours ago, Edible Coal said:

people want more stuff to do as wendy not just big numbers

The “haunt” gameplay mechanic and being able to drink Ecthoherbology Elixers should be what does that?? 

I’d prefer it if Klei reworked the effects of what potions do (now that we can drink them) perhaps make some exclusive to only being useable on Abby and others exclusively useable on players.

Add new features to the “Haunt” Mechanic, we literally have a magic wand we can aim at things in the world and try to make some cool effect happen now..

im curious what will happen if I “haunt” a half eaten Koelaphant carcass, will it reanimate to life? Would targeting Wendy and “haunting” her (there’s literally already an animation in the game where players glow when entering a game world for a few moments…) would reusing that animation frame work?

Abigail posses Wendy’s body to boost her strength or maybe allow her to levitate over small water or cave gaps, but the trade off here is that As long as Abigail is sharing Wendy’s body with her, Wendy can’t use Abigail for Abigail’s AoE or other important features.

I think a LOT can be done with just the “Haunt” ability alone, and if you pair that with drinkable Elixers…? Wendy has way more going for her than Wilson or Wolfgang or even Woodie ever got in their skill trees.

[Lardee]

The problem with Gestalt Abigail's design is that the intent of the form is to remove skill required to keep Abigail alive in exchange for no AoE damage. This is (IMO) bad game design as it's flattening the character by lowering the risk and lowering the reward.

Gestalt Abigail turns Wendy gameplay into just Wilson/Wolfgang gameplay. You ignore Abigail's existence and get a damage modifier. The differences are only cosmetic.

On the other hand, if you make it harder for Gestalt Abigail to survive, then it makes no sense to give up the AoE of regular Abigail. 

So Gestalt Abigail is kind of stuck in between a rock and a hard place.

[Mike23Ua]

46 minutes ago, Lardee said:

The problem with Gestalt Abigail's design is that the intent of the form is to remove skill required to keep Abigail alive in exchange for no AoE damage. This is (IMO) bad game design as it's flattening the character by lowering the risk and lowering the reward.

Gestalt Abigail turns Wendy gameplay into just Wilson/Wolfgang gameplay. You ignore Abigail's existence and get a damage modifier. The differences are only cosmetic.

On the other hand, if you make it harder for Gestalt Abigail to survive, then it makes no sense to give up the AoE of regular Abigail. 

So Gestalt Abigail is kind of stuck in between a rock and a hard place.

I have a suggestion.. but people who want AFK Simulator gameplay aren’t going to like the Suggestion.

Make Gestalt Abigail similar to Wormwoods Armor (that procs each 3rd hit done to an Enemy without taking damage in return)

Abigail spends a few seconds “charging up” like Moose Woodie before his dash, After the Wendy player successfully lands 3 hits Gestalt Abigail dashes through the enemy a few times dishing out DECENT (not OP) damage.

Basically it forces the Wendy player to do something other than stand around applying potions to Abigail while Abby does all the fighting.., but it’s still a neat little concept.