My thoughts on Gestalt Abigail nerf.

[katarinagray03]

Hi, this is my opinion after trying her new beta update.

Before we discuss anything, I have 2193.1 hours on this game, and Wendy is my personal favorite when creating a new world. I am confident that she is my main until Willow has a skill tree. Sorry if there's some grammar errors since English is not my first language.

Gestalt Abigail’s changes:

• Damage has been lowered. 

Let's talk about her base damage in normal form and the gestalt form. (Without the Luminous Wrath/Lunar Elixir)

Abigail deals 40 damage per second in her normal form, and she used to deal 400 damage per 5 seconds. With the changes, she now deals 220 per 5 seconds. 

I think it was fair that a lot of people believe that it's too overpowered, as Abigail can now fight bosses on her own.

Now, compare it with the Shadow Abigail skill; she can deal 80 damage per second max with the murder action and the Nightshade Nostrum for 8 seconds. Meaning she can deal 400 damage for 5 seconds and 640 damage per 8 seconds.

I personally believe that reducing her damage is okay, but I don't see the point of taking the Lunar Skills if I wanted to max her damage.

• She is no longer untargetable during her attack.

Okay, so first of all, we already removed Abigail's ability to deal AOE damage and stun lock mechanics to mobs. This resulted in her being back to the normal Abigail but without the AOE damage.

This changes a lot of things. I personally believe that it's way too much to nerf her. 

Abigail is known for dying so easily with 3-5 hits from bosses like Deerclops, Bearger, Klaus, etc. These changes resulted in Klei removing the player's requests of her being able to survive during boss fights. 

• When she drops below 25% health, she stops attacking until her health goes above 25%.
• If her health goes from above 25% to 0 in one attack, she will live at 1 health.

I personally believe that this is awful and doesn't change that much. I can see how stressful this can be when fighting bosses with her. You have to deal the kiting with the bosses, and at the same time, you have to babysit her.

I can see using Spectral-Cure All on this state that will lead her back to the fight but then gets back to the position of her being unable to attack after receiving 1-2 hits from bosses.

Overall: I don't see the point of selecting the Lunar Skills, as her design after the changes is awful! 

I know that people wanted to balance her with other characters. However, she didn't get that much to begin with compared to other characters who received a skill tree.

I really love the design for Willow, and I am really happy how she is now. I was hoping that Wendy will have the same treatment. 

Abigail can survive with the help of elixirs. However, it's already stressful to fight bosses, and now I have to babysit her to be able to survive. I would rather fight bosses without Abigail like how it was before the skill trees.

With the Shadow skills and Lunar skills, I liked the way it was since you're able to choose her AOE attacks or Snipe attacks. With the Shadow Abigail, I liked that I'm able to fight mobs or bosses like Bee Queen and Dragonfly. It's like having an old Abigail but better damages.

With the Lunar Skills, I liked the way it was since you're able to fight bosses with Abigail and she's able to survive until the end.

I think the Shadow Abigail is really good for beginners, and Lunar is good for players who play Wendy in the late game.

I am really hoping and begging that Klei is able to listen to players who mains her. I personally think that the person who designed her skills is not someone who understands her mechanics.

As a Wendy main, all I want is to be able to fight bosses with Abigail. I really wished that Abigail was able to survive until the end of the fight, and that's it!

[zzzzzzzzzzz]

I agree.

[Lee lol]

When Abigail's HP is below 25%, she is still hated by the boss. This makes it more difficult to protect her - you have to take her back, because not only is she not attacking, but she is attracting hatred. I don't see the point of this design, because in the past, we could also take Abigail back when her health was low ...

[katarinagray03]

2 minutes ago, Lee lol said:

When Abigail's HP is below 25%, she is still hated by the boss. This makes it more difficult to protect her - you have to take her back, because not only is she not attacking, but she is attracting hatred. I don't see the point of this design, because in the past, we could also take Abigail back when her health was low ...

I also do that too! It's the same with the Escape command. I really don't see how useful the Escape command is since you can simply unsummon her to prevent her from dying or to make her escape situations.

Also, The Level 3: Craft a grave that survivors can use as a revival item. Again, we want something unique and not the same concept but with different crafting requirements. You can pretty much use the Spawn point or the Life Amulets to revive.

If this is how they will release Wendy. I'm really going to be so upset, and I'm no longer interested of playing unless I wanted to play Willow.

[RiceMilk]

I insist on my viewpoint in another post.

If Gestalt Abigail doesn't have better survivability, I don't think I have a reason to use it because it can't cause AOE damage.

I also don't want to see Abigail defeat the boss alone. If the designer really thinks she's too strong, please lower her damage ability instead of survival ability.

[Lee lol]

bump

[Sacco]

If you mean by "I JUST WANT ABI TO SURVIVE UNTIL THE END OF FIGHTS" as having an abi which destroyes bosses without any action from the player then you are absolutely wrong.

Wendy single true downside is not being OP against every single boss.

The nerfs were good, her immunity while attacking made her unkillable.

Her damage was too high, even though i think 220 is too low, maybe 300 is good.

She is not meant to be that op...

[Wendigail]

7 hours ago, Sacco said:

"I JUST WANT ABI TO SURVIVE UNTIL THE END OF FIGHTS"

 

7 hours ago, Sacco said:

destroyes bosses without any action from the player

These two sentences are not logically related.

She can nerf like Maxwell's Shadow warrior attack at a very low speed only returning to normal attack speed when players attack together.

Time is a significant cost in DST

[katarinagray03]

12 hours ago, Sacco said:

If you mean by "I JUST WANT ABI TO SURVIVE UNTIL THE END OF FIGHTS" as having an abi which destroyes bosses without any action from the player then you are absolutely wrong.

You're not getting the point there. Don't you? 

It doesn't indicate there or I did not describe Abigail to destroy bosses.

Bernie is a good example. Bernie can survive until the end of every boss fight plus the nightmare creatures that spawns every now and then.

[Sacco]

7 hours ago, katarinagray03 said:

You're not getting the point there. Don't you? 

It doesn't indicate there or I did not describe Abigail to destroy bosses.

Bernie is a good example. Bernie can survive until the end of every boss fight plus the nightmare creatures that spawns every now and then.

That's the only downside of wendy... Abi dying in boss fights, and it has to remain.

[cyjs]

4 minutes ago, Sacco said:

That's the only downside of wendy... Abi dying in boss fights, and it has to remain.

You can write your own argument and issue a dedicated thread, I'd love to hear your reasons

[Xplan]

1 minute ago, Sacco said:

That's the only downside of wendy... Abi dying in boss fights, and it has to remain.

You should really enlighten us with your precious opinion instead of complaining at every constructive posts.

[katarinagray03]

1 hour ago, Sacco said:

That's the only downside of wendy... Abi dying in boss fights, and it has to remain.

So basically, Abigail sucks and needs to stay sucks. Meanwhile other characters get great skills. Please do enlighten us why skill trees are being introduced to characters and why Abigail has to remain bad.

[Xplan]

3 minutes ago, katarinagray03 said:

So basically, Abigail sucks and needs to stay sucks. Meanwhile other characters get great skills. Please do enlighten us why skill trees are being introduced to characters and why Abigail has to remain bad.

If he thinks the skill is OP, he can simply ignore it.

If he thinks Wendy is OP, he can just play the others.

i've seen him accusing "You are making Wendy too OP!!" every time whenever there's a guy trying to make Wendy better. 

i guess he just enjoy doing this

[Sacco]

1 hour ago, katarinagray03 said:

So basically, Abigail sucks and needs to stay sucks. Meanwhile other characters get great skills. Please do enlighten us why skill trees are being introduced to characters and why Abigail has to remain bad.

She already destroyes a ton of bosses...

Making every character OP is very bad fot the game's heatlh, i don't want wendy to be another op character, it's just not fun.

Abi is very strong, her skill tree helps her a lot, helping her survivability but at the same time not making her broken OP.

I am very happy with the state of her skills, cause they fit very well balance wise and are also interesting.

[Steorra]

4 minutes ago, Sacco said:

She already destroyes a ton of bosses...

Making every character OP is very bad fot the game's heatlh, i don't want wendy to be another op character, it's just not fun.

Abi is very strong, her skill tree helps her a lot, helping her survivability but at the same time not making her broken OP.

I am very happy with the state of her skills, cause they fit very well balance wise and are also interesting.

I want to see how Abi is strong when you facing CC or lunar bearger when you play as Wendy. Could you show us please?

[djturner]

1 hour ago, Xplan said:

If he thinks the skill is OP, he can simply ignore it.

If he thinks Wendy is OP, he can just play the others.

i've seen him accusing "You are making Wendy too OP!!" every time whenever there's a guy trying to make Wendy better. 

i guess he just enjoy doing this

You can always mod the game if you want to break Wendy and play with others who also want to mod the game in that fashion.

[Xplan]

1分钟前，Sacco说：

She already destroyes a ton of bosses...

Making every character OP is very bad fot the game's heatlh, i don't want wendy to be another op character, it's just not fun.

Abi is very strong, her skill tree helps her a lot, helping her survivability but at the same time not making her broken OP.

I am very happy with the state of her skills, cause they fit very well balance wise and are also interesting.

No offense, but are u a bot that just keeps replying “it’s OP “ “the skill tree is okay “?

there isn’t much information really 

[Sacco]

3 minutes ago, Steorra said:

I want to see how Abi is strong when you facing CC or lunar bearger when you play as Wendy. Could you show us please?

She has to be weak against some bosses... she shouldn't be able to destroy every single boss in the game...

1 minute ago, Xplan said:

No offense, but are u a bot that just keeps replying “it’s OP “ “the skill tree is okay “?

there isn’t much information really 

no? I just think that making abi too good isn't a good way to make her fun.

[Xplan]

4 minutes ago, djturner said:

You can always mod the game if you want to break Wendy and play with others who also want to mod the game in that fashion.

I don’t have to cause there is so many OP characters already. We are trying to make Wendy better but some people keep complaining “it’s OP!!”

[Steorra]

9 minutes ago, Sacco said:

 she shouldn't be able to destroy every single boss in the game...

Just look at what you're saying. Even Wes is able to destroy every single boss lol.

[Sacco]

3 minutes ago, Steorra said:

Just look at what you're saying. Even Wes is able to destroy every single boss lol.

destory means to kill them...

Yes, every character should be able to kill them!

Wendy, even with less damage has the ability to kill bosses, it'll just take a bit longer without abigail.

I don't understand what you're saying.

[ThiEErren]

4 minutes ago, Xplan said:

I don’t have to cause there is so many OP characters already. We are trying to make Wendy better but some people keep complaining “it’s OP!!”

Because she is. If the reference point is Wilson, Wendy is a much stronger character in several aspects, including boss fights. Are there characters even stronger than beta Wendy? Yes. But they are a very small minority; most characters are weaker or equal to the new Wendy.

It’s not that we want this character to improve, but it’s demotivating and makes us think poorly when the same 10 people are always commenting and posting the same things, being defensive just because we say the new Wendy is not bad at all.

[Xplan]

12 minutes ago, ThiEErren said:

Because she is. If the reference point is Wilson, Wendy is a much stronger character in several aspects, including boss fights. Are there characters even stronger than beta Wendy? Yes. But they are a very small minority; most characters are weaker or equal to the new Wendy.

It’s not that we want this character to improve, but it’s demotivating and makes us think poorly when the same 10 people are always commenting and posting the same things, being defensive just because we say the new Wendy is not bad at all.

Maybe you can comment about my idea about this version.

 

[katarinagray03]

1 hour ago, Sacco said:

destory means to kill them...

Yes, every character should be able to kill them!

Wendy, even with less damage has the ability to kill bosses, it'll just take a bit longer without abigail.

I definitely agree that every character is able to deal with bosses alone even if Wendy or Wes have a downside with their damage. 

I myself have fought all bosses with Wendy alone except Dragonfly and Bee Queen.

What I don't understand is if there's any misunderstanding or miscommunication. Am I not speaking English?

The voices of the people, including my voice, are telling Klei that we want to fight with Abigail and improve her survivability in every boss fight. That's what makes it so special about the two sisters.

With the new lunar bosses, I definitely believe that Klei will bring more difficult bosses in the game. Which is why we are asking Klei to improve Abigail's survivability.

I don't understand why you keep pushing yourself with Abigail being able to "destroy" bosses when that was never mentioned in my post. Do you know what's the difference? I feel like I'm talking to child here or maybe there's a language barrier.