Clean up coincide and narrow skills in Wendy skilltree

[Cassielu]

To make a long story short, I think there are a lot of skills in Wendy's skill tree that have coincide themes/uses or are too narrowly used, and I wish they could be merged or streamlined.

Pipispooks Skills: 

When Wendy's entire skill tree lacks interesting, useful and unique skills, it's not wise to fill her with three full skills for the same purpose.

And its a liitle bit coincide with Replace and Craft gravestones, as you can make more graves to get more Pipspooks, and place them in better places to make the toy spawn closer, such as hermit island, on boat, dock, or at least the land and ocean edge.

Merge three Pipispooks skill (with some nerf),. Or make it into something like Winona's shelves, which increase as the number of skill skills you earn Mourning Glory, since most of Wendy's skills now is about them.

Abigail's haunting and scaring:

scare has always been part of the Haunt, and it's a very large part of it. It's a bit redundant to have two separate actions for each mechanic. Therefore, I hope that they can be combined into a instant aoe haunt, which will also help solve the problem of Abigail's have cd so her haunt not as efficient as the player doing it by themself.

Sisturn:

Since Wendy got her new potion, Sisturn1 skill slows petal decay to keep the Sisturn activated to upgrade Abigail, has become less useful. Also useless is Sisturn2, which has always been a little useless. They can be merge into one skill.

Resurrection Grave, Bigspook grave and Vengeful ghost's:

Wendy was able to build two kinds of graves, which is a serious repetition in theme, it would be very concise if they were merged.

And, while the Vengeful ghost is quite unique and interesting, it is severely lacking in connection with the other skills. Since we got a new structure about ghost character, why not tie it to this new structure?

here are my suggestions:

• Vengeful ghost and Resurrection Grave merge into one skill, and when you bind yourself to this Grave, you will have the effect of Vengeful ghost.
• Spawn Bigspook should be given to this new structure as an upgraded version of Skill 2. The common grave already owns the Pipispook.

And the evil flower? The dark petals have no special meaning to Wendy since the shroud was removed, and coincide with Abigail's haunting because you can use haunting to transform a flower into an evil flower. This feature is best to be remove.

Replace and Crafting Graves:

Tthey already the same thing unless you are megabaser that need more grave than worldgen.

Crafting Butterfly:

just remove it. 40 Mourning Glory for a bug net is ridiculous.

[adminaaassh]

good

[Lee lol]

7 minutes ago, Cassielu said:

长话短说，我认为 Wendy 的技能树中有很多技能具有重合的主题/用途或使用得太狭隘，我希望它们可以合并或简化。

Pipispooks 技能： 

当 Wendy 的整个技能树缺乏有趣、有用和独特的技能时，出于相同目的为她填充三个完整技能是不明智的。

它与 Replace 和 Craft 墓碑有点重合，因为您可以制作更多的坟墓来获得更多的 Pipspooks，并将它们放置在更好的地方以使玩具生成更近，例如隐士岛、船上、码头，或者至少是陆地和海洋边缘。

合并三个 Pipispooks 技能（带有一些削弱），。或者把它做成像 Winona 的架子一样的东西，它会随着你获得的技能数量而增加 哀悼荣耀，因为 Wendy 现在的大部分技能都是关于它们的。

阿比盖尔的困扰和恐惧：

恐慌一直是闹鬼的一部分，而且是它的重要组成部分。为每个机制设置两个单独的动作有点多余。所以，我希望他们能组合成一个瞬间的 aoe 闹鬼，这也将有助于解决 Abigail 有 cd 所以她的闹鬼效率不如玩家自己做的问题。

西斯图恩：

自从温蒂得到了她的新药水后，西斯图恩1技能减缓了花瓣腐烂，以保持西斯图恩的激活以升级阿比盖尔，就变得不那么有用了。同样没用的还有 Sisturn2，它一直有点没用。它们可以合并为一个技能。

复活坟墓、Bigspook 坟墓和复仇鬼魂的：

Wendy 能够建造两种坟墓，这在主题上是一个严重的重复，如果它们合并会非常简洁。

而且，虽然 Vengeful ghost 非常独特和有趣，但它与其他技能的联系严重不足。既然我们有一个关于鬼魂角色的新结构，为什么不把它和这个新结构联系起来呢？

以下是我的建议：

• 复仇鬼和复活坟墓合二为一，当你将自己绑定到这个坟墓时，你会有复仇鬼的效果。
• Spawn Bigspook 应该作为技能 2 的升级版本赋予这个新结构。公共坟墓已经拥有 Pipispook。

那恶花呢？自从裹尸布被移除后，深色的花瓣对温蒂来说就没有什么特别的意义，而且与阿比盖尔的闹鬼相吻合，因为你可以用闹鬼把一朵花变成一朵邪恶的花。最好删除此功能。

替换和制作坟墓：

他们已经是一回事了，除非你是需要比 worldgen 更严重的 megabaser。

制作蝴蝶：

就把它删掉。40 哀悼荣耀为虫网是荒谬的。

Butterflies can be used to buff Shadow Abbey, but 4 is too expensive, 2 is more reasonable

[adminaaassh]

4 minutes ago, Lee lol said:

Butterflies can be used to buff Shadow Abbey, but 4 is too expensive, 2 is more reasonable

The skill of making butterflies is completely useless.

[Cassielu]

5 hours ago, Lee lol said:

Butterflies can be used to buff Shadow Abbey, but 4 is too expensive, 2 is more reasonable

I want it removed mainly also because its usage and idea is too narrow.

Making butterflies with butterfly wings and morning glory is basically a fix patch for Shadow Sisterhood 3, and it doesn't makes any sense beyond that.

[adminaaassh]

Considering its time cost, it actually has no efficiency, and its uses are basically pitiful, so it is not an exaggeration to say that this is a useless skill.

[RiceMilk]

For certain abilities that have a minor impact on the gaming experience, they can be deleted or merged.

The key is whether we can still see some truly interesting and unique things beyond these abilities.

For example, allowing Abigail to possess the defeated boss?

[Cassielu]

On 12/7/2024 at 8:00 PM, RiceMilk said:

The key is whether we can still see some truly interesting and unique things beyond these abilities.

For example, allowing Abigail to possess the defeated boss?

Possession is a bit unrealistic, it requires too much programming and design...

And, to be honest, I think the "more unique stuff" is the spare time things for characters who thematically/gameplay already clear enough or already powerful enough.

Like Wortox, Wurt or Winona, their gameplay is clean enough so that the skilltree can expand wildly on it without making his perk set redundant and bloated. Or Maxwell and Wolfgang both got some new gadgets during their rework update that were independent of their core specialty.

But for Wendy now, keeping her core specialty (Abigail) usable in later games is the first thing that matters. 

[DVGMedia]

IM always kind of thinking What if wendys sisturn ended up acting like the merm kings quests? Where you could permanantly buff up abigail by filing up the sisturn with the specific flowers in the world Or have it act like the Idol firepit where you can upgrade the sisturn with materials so it becomes more effective.

[Grove]

3 hours ago, DVGMedia said:

IM always kind of thinking What if wendys sisturn ended up acting like the merm kings quests? Where you could permanantly buff up abigail by filing up the sisturn with the specific flowers in the world Or have it act like the Idol firepit where you can upgrade the sisturn with materials so it becomes more effective.

Yea. Materials like brightshade husks and shadow tatters feel like they would really fit on the sisturn