wortox Wortox feedback after playing 12-6 build

[OMEGASCRUFF]

1 hour ago, Bearger Enjoyer said:

You mean reverberation? Because you also get two AoEs with reaper from it.

Enlightened crown sanity maintenance needed to outdo shadow? You didn't have to sell me more on shadow.

Yeah Reverberation, my bad. Lol I'll fix the post so my crossed wires don't confuse anyone else.

Oh my god. So, this whole time I thought it was 2 hits on Shadow alignment as a baseline, and was expecting 4 hits, 'cause I've not dropped Reverberation on a single build I've used and tend to drop Capricious Movement instead. I just tested to confirm, and you're correct. The description definitely doesn't help since they're often a little vague and "will cause damage dealt to spread out to close enemies or hit one target twice" is a little misleading (and it doesn't hit spread out enemies with its tiny AoE either, so...) It doesn't trigger the Enlightened Crown twice either, so I guess other equipment that depends on this kind of stuff probably just checks for weapon swings.

Seriously... One hit on the base skill only? Really? That's... really bad. I initially thought it was an oversight but this is actually worse than I thought. What even is the point of this skill's AoE effect without Reverberation? It can't even kill a Bee, not to mention a Grumble Bee, and we already have Soul Pierce and/or Soul Decoy for crowd control when farming or vs. Fuelweaver.

Long-term, I'll stick with team Lunar myself. At least I can open up an unimportant fight with the Enlightened Crown and just swap to the Brightshade Helm if I don't feel like managing sanity. Banana Shakes aren't a problem by time it matters, though I might switch to Shadow alignment temporarily if I kill Fuelweaver before Celestial Champion and switch to Lunar after hitting up Moon Quay shortly thereafter. The bonus damage to Shadow-aligned mobs is more generally useful anyways, and it's less annoying to get Brightshade Repair Kits without going out of my way. Plus, nothing's stopping me from still using a Shadow Reaper and Void Cowl vs. mutated bosses and keeping the Brightshade Armor on, other than it looking goofy.

Damn... One AoE hit? Meanwhile, Wendy and Walter's alignment skills... Ugh. Wortox's alignment skills are so sauceless.

[ApoIIo]

5 hours ago, OMEGASCRUFF said:

Seriously... One hit on the base skill only? Really? That's... really bad. I initially thought it was an oversight but this is actually worse than I thought. What even is the point of this skill's AoE effect without Reverberation? It can't even kill a Bee, not to mention a Grumble Bee, and we already have Soul Pierce and/or Soul Decoy for crowd control when farming or vs. Fuelweaver.

It's better than in theory vs bee queen. That said it is the only AoE option for multiplayer pet Wortoxes who get bastion and lifebringer. And as I said, I hate lunar to death and shadow was a suggestion I had made ages ago so I love shadow.

I have zero objections to buffing shadow though.

[OMEGASCRUFF]

19 minutes ago, Bearger Enjoyer said:

It's better than in theory vs bee queen. That said it is the only AoE option for multiplayer pet Wortoxes who get bastion and lifebringer. And as I said, I hate lunar to death and shadow was a suggestion I had made ages ago so I love shadow.

Yeah, Bee Queen is who I've tested this out on the most, since I found that Soul Pierce alone does a really good job against Fuelweaver. It feels a lot better when you pair it with Bramble Armor + Naughty skills, because of how small the AoE is and how spread out Grumble Bees are when spawned. It definitely has more value on Nice builds, but I do think AoE is a little overrated and niche in this game to begin with (pls don't come for me wendy players). I'm also just fairly likely to skip Bee Queen until very last, since Gift Wrap is strongly preferable to Bundling Wrap for me, and I'm not ashamed of utilizing events, though I'll do her earlier depending on teammates. I find Bramble Armor to be by far the easiest way to farm Souls without Soul Decoy/Pierce to begin with, and they hold up for ages with a Beekeeper Hat/Eyemask + Shield of Terror to split durability.

I wish they were both better to begin with, honestly, especially their lack of any unique visuals. He's not the only character with fairly mid affinities, though I do think either are still worth getting if you can make use of them, regardless. Damage is damage, so I can't really complain about the functionality of either. I'd feel better about them if they were just more expressive to begin with.

[ApoIIo]

4 hours ago, OMEGASCRUFF said:

 

I wish they were both better to begin with, honestly, especially their lack of any unique visuals. He's not the only character with fairly mid affinities, though I do think either are still worth getting if you can make use of them, regardless. Damage is damage, so I can't really complain about the functionality of either. I'd feel better about them if they were just more expressive to begin with.

Buff shadow, replace lunar hell yeah

[OMEGASCRUFF]

3 hours ago, Bearger Enjoyer said:

Buff shadow, replace lunar hell yeah

Honestly, sure, sounds great. The scythe idea is cool. I just don't think it's as practical as it needs to be to not simultaneously compete with Naughty skills also providing AoE options (that are specifically good for farming.) I can take or leave the premise behind Lunar. It'll always feel a little bit like a missed opportunity, and I think I would have liked a better option to deliberately support teammates while also being worthwhile on your own. It's a little weird that the support aspect wasn't really leaned into here, considering the cohesive design behind the rest of the skill tree, but it's fine, in my perspective, as long as Lunar and Shadow are both viable. Right now they both are, but I would prefer they were a bit more compelling and expressive.

[Dingle]

For lunar and shadow affinities, I'd prefer if one was a little more early game, and the other was strictly late game.

Like winonas catapult options (though not true exclusive affinities, they were close). Lunar catapults were stronger, but required a cc kill and rifts open for full power. Shadow catapult fuel was easier to get with a rift open, but nmwp and her rose glasses gave her options to use it early.

[ApoIIo]

1 hour ago, Dingle said:

For lunar and shadow affinities, I'd prefer if one was a little more early game, and the other was strictly late game.

I'd like lunar Wortox to be the earlygame affinity because rushing FW with him is fun and lunar's modifiers work with that. 

[Dingle]

I'm probably going to post some final playthrough in here that's in progress, then I'm taking a break from big Wortox feedback for awhile. The hotfix only has a tweak to remove spacebar from knabsack slow pickup.

Sounds like they have big Wortox plans for the next hotfix, though, so I'll pick him up again then.

I'm going to try out Wendy for a bit, as I dont see much actual playtesting of her on the forum.

[Dingle]

Last post!

HOTFIX REVIEW: I really like the Knabsack change. Using it more as a weapon again, though I still alternate between it and the ham bat. It is nice to switch to it for bosses.

My last playthrough got to day 24, and I stopped. I have everything I need for either Crab King or Fuelweaver (except I need to get a nightmare amulet real quick, as I don't want to cheese him). I will likely resume this playthrough after the next Wortox hotfix.

Build:
Naughty Inclination
Soul Decoy 3
Greed AND Covetous
1 point in Piercing (no where else to spend it)
2 points in Neutral for the soul flute toot
1 point in Lunar Affinity
4 points in teleportation

Thoughts on the build:

I still really like Overwhelming Greed, though it's totally not necessary with Naughty.

I am not a fan of only having Soul Decoy 3. I got used to it, though I prefer Piercing 4 a lot for fast, quick, brainless soul farming. I think it pays off if it's an activity you have to do forever (short of Bramble Armor, or some auto soul farm saving you late game). I'd probably consider trying this again once I'm playing with a Wormwood, though. Otherwise, I think I'd always go for Piercing 4.

I like the soul flute pan flute perk a bit more than I did. It's nice on the ocean. I still wish it was a little stronger.

Random Thoughts on the playthrough:

I forgot how to fight a lot of bosses. It's fun to be able to fight the Shadow Bishop last, I got the soul hop timing after a couple pigskin helmets got shredded.

I got the Eye Helmet again. It's really great as Wortox. Moreso with Bramble Armor. Even moreso with the Twins of Terror shield.

I had great ocean luck. I got a heavy lure for free first gift, caught 2 normal heavy fish, and stumbled onto a heavy fallounder on day 16. I found cookie cutters a little late, but I found them "for free" on day 15 from opening a message in a bottle. I could just barely see a salt pile in the X map reveal circle.

The joke though: If you get it that late, you may as well wait until day 21 for the winter snow anyway, saving you a lot of time fishing. So because I split my time up, I'm on day 24 without quite being ready for either moonstorms nor Fuelweaver. Woops. In my real multiplayer games, I'll probably go for Fuelweaver first instead of trying for an autumn Pearl run, unless I have truly amazing and early ocean/early free heavy lure luck.

I was also going to try offscreen ocean trawlers to get heavy fish faster, but they're bugged and no longer work offscreen.

Wortox opens up tons of fun tricks and possibilities due to his teleport. For example, I based on the opposite side of the map as Dragonfly. But I still just put my thermal stones at the lava pools, because why not. They're a small map hop away. I had a Tallbird Fort, I could have eaten tallbird eggs if I was Neutral/Nice. I didn't kill Mactusk yet, so next time I'll teleport directly on him igloo to surprise him.

I'm still not used to Wortox's iframe timings. Kind of seems like you usually have to hop right before you think the enemy will attack? Or they'll just hit you out of it.

That's it for now. I'll do a new thread for Wortox playthroughs after his hotfix.

[ApoIIo]

2 hours ago, Dingle said:

That's it for now. I'll do a new thread for Wortox playthroughs after his hotfix.

I'd be down to join you if you are down to take others along.

[Dingle]

5 minutes ago, Bearger Enjoyer said:

I'd be down to join you if you are down to take others along.

My time to play has been super limited lately! Hence all the phoneposting. Otherwise that sounds really fun.

If someone else hosted, I could probably hop in every so often. At least for the early game.

[ApoIIo]

1 minute ago, Dingle said:

My time to play has been super limited lately! Hence all the phoneposting. Otherwise that sounds really fun.

If someone else hosted, I could probably hop in every so often. At least for the early game.

Ight, we do a big Wortox gang server when we're all more free.

[Y0sH]

33 minutes ago, Dingle said:

My time to play has been super limited lately! Hence all the phoneposting. Otherwise that sounds really fun.

If someone else hosted, I could probably hop in every so often. At least for the early game.

 

31 minutes ago, Bearger Enjoyer said:

Ight, we do a big Wortox gang server when we're all more free.

I have a Dedicated Beta server name US-East Beta. Yall are welcomed to jump in and test out Wortox changes, the rifts are set to be on by default.

[Echsrick]

heres actualy a funny thing, i said all my suggestions of improfemends while never actualy playing the beta, all i ever needed was first seeing someone do a video of its originaly, forming an oppinion on that, and then alsol listening to what others have to say to come up with all the things wich include new things like i am pretty sure i was one of the first if not the first to talk about the knapsack how it could be better, long talk for small conclusion: i would not be able to play it the game in beta