purelove Posted November 26, 2024 Share Posted November 26, 2024 温蒂玩家不满意此次技能树，温蒂玩家不愿意其他玩家指点和影响温蒂自己的技能树，温蒂的技能树是自己的技能树，不需要满足其他非温蒂玩家的需求 Wendy players are not satisfied with this skill tree, Wendy players do not want other players to point and influence Wendy's own skill tree, Wendy's skill tree is their own skill tree, and does not need to meet the needs of other non-Wendy players Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/161270-%E8%BF%99%E6%98%AF%E6%89%80%E6%9C%89%E6%B8%A9%E8%92%82%E7%8E%A9%E5%AE%B6%E7%9A%84%E6%83%B3%E6%B3%95/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mysterious box Posted November 26, 2024 Share Posted November 26, 2024 Reminder that every post made like this harms the discussion around Wendy rather than helping... Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/161270-%E8%BF%99%E6%98%AF%E6%89%80%E6%9C%89%E6%B8%A9%E8%92%82%E7%8E%A9%E5%AE%B6%E7%9A%84%E6%83%B3%E6%B3%95/#findComment-1762094 Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyjs Posted November 26, 2024 Share Posted November 26, 2024 I support your view 3 minutes ago, Mysterious box said: 提醒一下，每一篇这样的帖子都会损害围绕温迪的讨论，而不是帮助...... If klei had a better way to communicate with the Chinese platform, we would not be here. Past experiences have made us disappointed with the original way klei communicates with Chinese players (Bilibili’s communication post, he is Really doesn't watch) nor asks for our opinion, He needs to communicate with us in a better way,The Chinese community has been complaining about klei for a long time. He obviously doesn't know anything. This is an outbreak and I hope it will be the last one. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/161270-%E8%BF%99%E6%98%AF%E6%89%80%E6%9C%89%E6%B8%A9%E8%92%82%E7%8E%A9%E5%AE%B6%E7%9A%84%E6%83%B3%E6%B3%95/#findComment-1762097 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mysterious box Posted November 26, 2024 Share Posted November 26, 2024 18 minutes ago, cyjs said: I support your view If klei had a better way to communicate with the Chinese platform, we would not be here. Past experiences have made us disappointed with the original way klei communicates with Chinese players (Bilibili’s communication post, he is Really doesn't watch) nor asks for our opinion, He needs to communicate with us in a better way,The Chinese community has been complaining about klei for a long time. He obviously doesn't know anything. This is an outbreak and I hope it will be the last one. You being here isn't a problem it's how the communication is happening some chinese members are actually giving constructive feedback but posts like this are harming that and leading to some people lumping them in with the louder unconstructive feedback that's why I'm saying what's being done is harming their efforts. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/161270-%E8%BF%99%E6%98%AF%E6%89%80%E6%9C%89%E6%B8%A9%E8%92%82%E7%8E%A9%E5%AE%B6%E7%9A%84%E6%83%B3%E6%B3%95/#findComment-1762107 Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyjs Posted November 26, 2024 Share Posted November 26, 2024 2 minutes ago, Mysterious box said: 你在这里不是问题，问题在于沟通的方式，一些中国会员实际上给出了建设性的反馈，但像这样的帖子正在损害这一点，并导致一些人将他们与更响亮的非建设性反馈混为一谈，这就是为什么我要说的是所做的事情正在损害他们的努力。 I couldn't agree more with you, but a lot of people come here because they are so disillusioned and filled with extreme emotions that we can't act rationally, partly because we don't understand the rules here. But I don't think this is wrong. It takes some extreme noise from the developers to know they are wrong. The most fundamental reason is that klei does not communicate enough with the Chinese community. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/161270-%E8%BF%99%E6%98%AF%E6%89%80%E6%9C%89%E6%B8%A9%E8%92%82%E7%8E%A9%E5%AE%B6%E7%9A%84%E6%83%B3%E6%B3%95/#findComment-1762115 Share on other sites More sharing options...
gaymime Posted November 26, 2024 Share Posted November 26, 2024 36 minutes ago, cyjs said: I support your view If klei had a better way to communicate with the Chinese platform, we would not be here. Past experiences have made us disappointed with the original way klei communicates with Chinese players (Bilibili’s communication post, he is Really doesn't watch) nor asks for our opinion, He needs to communicate with us in a better way,The Chinese community has been complaining about klei for a long time. He obviously doesn't know anything. This is an outbreak and I hope it will be the last one. i think it might be because they are canadian? canada mostly speaks french and english and have a north amarican understanding of social expectation. it is hard to understand people when you do not speak the language and do not have a social understanding of the things said in-between the words being written. this game is played in more than 30 countries with most of them having some form of english as the first or second language so the english-speaking forum having priority over the others does make sense. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/161270-%E8%BF%99%E6%98%AF%E6%89%80%E6%9C%89%E6%B8%A9%E8%92%82%E7%8E%A9%E5%AE%B6%E7%9A%84%E6%83%B3%E6%B3%95/#findComment-1762118 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peasant Posted November 26, 2024 Share Posted November 26, 2024 Just now, gaymime said: i think it might be because they are canadian? No, cause as I remeber there are America/Canada born chinese among them, the very ones who initially made DS, if I remebered it right. The reason is that klei simply didnt managed to communicate with chinese community. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/161270-%E8%BF%99%E6%98%AF%E6%89%80%E6%9C%89%E6%B8%A9%E8%92%82%E7%8E%A9%E5%AE%B6%E7%9A%84%E6%83%B3%E6%B3%95/#findComment-1762120 Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyjs Posted November 26, 2024 Share Posted November 26, 2024 12 minutes ago, gaymime said: 我想这可能是因为他们是加拿大人？加拿大主要讲法语和英语，对社会期望有着北美式的理解。当你不会说这种语言并且对所写单词之间所说的内容没有社会理解时，就很难理解人们。该游戏在 30 多个国家/地区进行，其中大多数国家都以某种形式的英语作为第一或第二语言，因此英语论坛优先于其他论坛确实有意义。 The biggest problem is that Chinese players are the majority of the game. That’s true. We contribute the vast majority of the revenue. I know it sounds a lot like kidnapping and a lot of people don’t like it, but that’s also the problem. The largest group does not get good communication. This is klei's negligence. Now he needs to reflect on this issue.and solve the problem Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/161270-%E8%BF%99%E6%98%AF%E6%89%80%E6%9C%89%E6%B8%A9%E8%92%82%E7%8E%A9%E5%AE%B6%E7%9A%84%E6%83%B3%E6%B3%95/#findComment-1762124 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sacco Posted November 26, 2024 Share Posted November 26, 2024 hell yeah, another shi*** post made by a chinese player. And i find people who still tell me that they're trying to help. (I AM NOT SAYING THAT EVERY CHINESE PLAYER DO THIS, BUT A LOT ARE ACTING FOOLISHILY. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/161270-%E8%BF%99%E6%98%AF%E6%89%80%E6%9C%89%E6%B8%A9%E8%92%82%E7%8E%A9%E5%AE%B6%E7%9A%84%E6%83%B3%E6%B3%95/#findComment-1762132 Share on other sites More sharing options...
gaymime Posted November 26, 2024 Share Posted November 26, 2024 Just now, YXukun said: No, cause as I remeber there are America/Canada born chinese among them, the very ones who initially made DS, if I remebered it right. The reason is that klei simply didnt managed to communicate with chinese community. you are talking about jamie cheng, the founder of the company. i think i understand the confusion; my south-east asian friends have this thought that if your parents/grandparents are chines that you are chinese even if you've never been to china, do not speak chinese and don't know anything about chinese culture. my asian friends everywhere else are whatever country they are from. if your grandparents are chinese but you are american then you are asian-american or if your parents are chinese and you are british then you are british. the strong sense that the place you were born and live in is not important only that someone in your history is specifically and directly main-land chinese is important is not shared across the world. jamie cheng is canadian. he lives in canada and while he may or may not feel strongly about his chinese heritage he is canadian and has a canadian understanding of the world. it is not fair to expect him to think the same as someone who has always lived in china and therefore prioritize chinese players to the point where he forces his canadian team of canadians to seek out chinese interests despite the chinese market being only a tiny part of the playerbase for 11 of the 14 years that the don't starve franchise has been out and despite the chinese playerbase only increasing after a global pandemic that saw klei studios struggling for quite a while. it sucks sure but it makes sense that there is not good communication outside of this specific forum. russia also makes up a substantial number of players and there is no russian support either Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/161270-%E8%BF%99%E6%98%AF%E6%89%80%E6%9C%89%E6%B8%A9%E8%92%82%E7%8E%A9%E5%AE%B6%E7%9A%84%E6%83%B3%E6%B3%95/#findComment-1762135 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huijing Posted November 26, 2024 Share Posted November 26, 2024 A character's skill tree should value feedback from the players who know her best. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/161270-%E8%BF%99%E6%98%AF%E6%89%80%E6%9C%89%E6%B8%A9%E8%92%82%E7%8E%A9%E5%AE%B6%E7%9A%84%E6%83%B3%E6%B3%95/#findComment-1762140 Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyjs Posted November 26, 2024 Share Posted November 26, 2024 15 minutes ago, gaymime said: 你说的是该公司的创始人Jamie Cheng。我想我理解这种困惑；我的东南亚朋友有这样的想法，如果你的父母/祖父母是中国人，即使你从未去过中国，你也是中国人，不会说中文，也不了解中国文化。我在其他地方的亚洲朋友无论来自哪个国家。如果你的祖父母是中国人，但你是美国人，那么你就是亚裔美国人，或者如果你的父母是中国人，而你是英国人，那么你就是英国人。你出生和居住的地方并不重要，只有你历史上的某个人是特别、直接的中国大陆华人才重要，这种强烈的感觉在世界范围内是不存在的。杰米·郑 (Jamie Cheng) 是加拿大人。他住在加拿大，虽然他可能对自己的中国血统有强烈的感觉，也可能不强烈，但他是加拿大人，对世界有加拿大人的理解。期望他和一个一直生活在中国的人有同样的想法，因此优先考虑中国球员，以至于他迫使他的加拿大队寻求中国人的利益，尽管中国市场只占其中的一小部分，这是不公平的。 《饥荒》系列的 14 年中，有 11 年的玩家群体已经消失，尽管在全球大流行导致 klei studios 陷入困境后，中国玩家群体才有所增加。期望他和一个一直生活在中国的人有同样的想法，因此优先考虑中国球员，以至于他迫使他的加拿大队寻求中国人的利益，尽管中国市场只占其中的一小部分，这是不公平的。 《饥荒》系列的 14 年中，有 11 年的玩家群体已经消失，尽管在全球大流行导致 klei studios 陷入困境后，中国玩家群体才有所增加。期望他和一个一直生活在中国的人有同样的想法，因此优先考虑中国球员，以至于他迫使他的加拿大队寻求中国人的利益，尽管中国市场只占其中的一小部分，这是不公平的。 《饥荒》系列的 14 年中，有 11 年的玩家群体已经消失，尽管在全球大流行导致 klei studios 陷入困境后，中国玩家群体才有所增加。 这确实很糟糕，但在这个特定论坛之外没有良好的沟通是有道理的。俄罗斯也有相当多的玩家，而且也没有俄罗斯的支持 No offense, we are not a small minority, but the vast majority. This is an unchanging fact. You can look into it. This is not a bad thing. We are providing a lot of funds to make klei better. The biggest problem now is the lack of communication between klei and the Chinese community. We have been complaining for too long. He doesn’t know anything. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/161270-%E8%BF%99%E6%98%AF%E6%89%80%E6%9C%89%E6%B8%A9%E8%92%82%E7%8E%A9%E5%AE%B6%E7%9A%84%E6%83%B3%E6%B3%95/#findComment-1762147 Share on other sites More sharing options...
gaymime Posted November 26, 2024 Share Posted November 26, 2024 2 minutes ago, cyjs said: No offense to you, we are not a small part, but the vast majority. This is an unchanging fact. You can investigate. The biggest problem is the lack of communication between klei and the Chinese community. i have checked. at any given time chinese players are between 1/3rd and 1/4th of the playerbase. they are the most of any one single country(double russia which is the next biggest playerbase at any given time) but not the actual majority by total number of players. https://dst.resamvi.io/ Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/161270-%E8%BF%99%E6%98%AF%E6%89%80%E6%9C%89%E6%B8%A9%E8%92%82%E7%8E%A9%E5%AE%B6%E7%9A%84%E6%83%B3%E6%B3%95/#findComment-1762155 Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyjs Posted November 26, 2024 Share Posted November 26, 2024 4 minutes ago, gaymime said: 我查过了。在任何特定时间，中国玩家都占玩家基数的 1/3 到 1/4 之间。他们是任何一个国家中人数最多的国家（在任何特定时间都是第二大玩家群的俄罗斯的两倍），但按玩家总数计算并不是实际的大多数。 https://dst.resamvi.io/ The reason for my translator, sorry, I want to express the same meaning as you Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/161270-%E8%BF%99%E6%98%AF%E6%89%80%E6%9C%89%E6%B8%A9%E8%92%82%E7%8E%A9%E5%AE%B6%E7%9A%84%E6%83%B3%E6%B3%95/#findComment-1762157 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peasant Posted November 26, 2024 Share Posted November 26, 2024 15 minutes ago, gaymime said: he lives in canada and while he may or may not feel strongly about his chinese heritage he is canadian and has a canadian understanding of the world. it is not fair to expect him to think the same as someone who has always lived in china and therefore prioritize chinese players to the point where he forces his canadian team of canadians to seek out chinese interests despite the chinese market being only a tiny part of the playerbase for 11 of the 14 years that the don't starve franchise has been out and despite the chinese playerbase only increasing after a global pandemic that saw klei studios struggling for quite a while. Well I simply meant that since one of the founders is CBC, the language doesnt seem to be a problem. The main problem lies on that klei simply lacks the sense of communicating with other large player communities other than this forum. They didnt even send official members into Tieba to collect ideas, you know. As for the time bit, I havent investigated myself but I have reasons to believe that people in China started playing dst long before anyone knows about the pandemic. The time of when the tieba for dst was established I know not, but the oldest post I can trace there is posted in 2015, march, and the time tieba was established is surely even before that. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/161270-%E8%BF%99%E6%98%AF%E6%89%80%E6%9C%89%E6%B8%A9%E8%92%82%E7%8E%A9%E5%AE%B6%E7%9A%84%E6%83%B3%E6%B3%95/#findComment-1762158 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sorceress2024 Posted November 26, 2024 Share Posted November 26, 2024 4 minutes ago, cyjs said: The reason for my translator, sorry, I want to express the same meaning as you Translators aren't perfect so when reading text that has been translated we gotta understand some meaning may be lost/changed in translastion. The word your translator chose was majority, meaning more then 50%. But its an easy enough to know what you had said in chinnese could have been closer to "the biggest group" Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/161270-%E8%BF%99%E6%98%AF%E6%89%80%E6%9C%89%E6%B8%A9%E8%92%82%E7%8E%A9%E5%AE%B6%E7%9A%84%E6%83%B3%E6%B3%95/#findComment-1762162 Share on other sites More sharing options...
gaymime Posted November 26, 2024 Share Posted November 26, 2024 10 minutes ago, cyjs said: The reason for my translator, sorry, I want to express the same meaning as you oh! sorry. thankyou for clarifying. that makes more sense. yes for the last 3 years china has been the single largest group of players as far as i have known it to be 14 minutes ago, YXukun said: Well I simply meant that since one of the founders is CBC, the language doesnt seem to be a problem. The main problem lies on that klei simply lacks the sense of communicating with other large player communities other than this forum. They didnt even send official members into Tieba to collect ideas, you know. As for the time bit, I havent investigated myself but I have reasons to believe that people in China started playing dst long before anyone knows about the pandemic. The time of when the tieba for dst was established I know not, but the oldest post I can trace there is posted in 2015, march, and the time tieba was established is surely even before that. played yes, but not to the degree they did after tencent became a majority shareholder, before then china was no more of a stand-out in players than anywhere else. before tencent it was russia and the us that were the large part of the playerbase but russia stepped back after the war and...actually i dont know if the usa has actually changed in numbers or if it is about the same as before... i do agree that klei has not done a great job handling other forums outside of this one. i do also recognize however that i literally have more neighbours on my road than there are staff members at klei(and my village is very small). they really are a very tiny company and i try to be understanding that there are not a lot of hands and there is so much work to be done. please forgive me if i am being frustrating by defending them but it feels correct to try and explain they are not a huge sprawling companey like microsoft or ubisoft or nintendo(you are right though, i did look up vancouver and there does seem to be a notable population of chinese-speaking people there, i rescind my comment about language). Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/161270-%E8%BF%99%E6%98%AF%E6%89%80%E6%9C%89%E6%B8%A9%E8%92%82%E7%8E%A9%E5%AE%B6%E7%9A%84%E6%83%B3%E6%B3%95/#findComment-1762186 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peasant Posted November 26, 2024 Share Posted November 26, 2024 16 minutes ago, gaymime said: played yes, but not to the degree they did after tencent became a majority shareholder Tencent acutally dont have a good reputation among the chinese gameplayers…all kinds of games, that is to say. So I dont quite think tencent becoming a major shareholder had boosted the number of chinese players. 20 minutes ago, gaymime said: i do also recognize however that i literally have more neighbours on my road than there are staff members at klei(and my village is very small). Sounds like they need to recruit more people. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/161270-%E8%BF%99%E6%98%AF%E6%89%80%E6%9C%89%E6%B8%A9%E8%92%82%E7%8E%A9%E5%AE%B6%E7%9A%84%E6%83%B3%E6%B3%95/#findComment-1762206 Share on other sites More sharing options...
whiteking Posted December 5, 2024 Share Posted December 5, 2024 On 11/27/2024 at 12:55 AM, YXukun said: Tencent acutally dont have a good reputation among the chinese gameplayers…all kinds of games, that is to say. So I dont quite think tencent becoming a major shareholder had boosted the number of chinese players. Sounds like they need to recruit more people. Please be bold. In China, Tencent is the company with the worst reputation. The only worst one. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/161270-%E8%BF%99%E6%98%AF%E6%89%80%E6%9C%89%E6%B8%A9%E8%92%82%E7%8E%A9%E5%AE%B6%E7%9A%84%E6%83%B3%E6%B3%95/#findComment-1768669 Share on other sites More sharing options...
cloudf Posted December 5, 2024 Share Posted December 5, 2024 On 11/26/2024 at 11:56 PM, gaymime said: i have checked. at any given time chinese players are between 1/3rd and 1/4th of the playerbase. they are the most of any one single country(double russia which is the next biggest playerbase at any given time) but not the actual majority by total number of players. https://dst.resamvi.io/ The data is questionable though, the author has a post on reddit submitted in 2020, which analyzed over 13k servers and 15k players, while the website now only analyzes 1.5k servers and 1.7k players. If we trust the reddit post, then Chinese have several times more servers than all other countries combined. There is also https://dstserverlist.top/, which shows there are 16k servers currently. Sadly it doesn't provide any statistics, but it provides an api though. Maybe I can spend some time downloading the data and analyzing them myself... Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/161270-%E8%BF%99%E6%98%AF%E6%89%80%E6%9C%89%E6%B8%A9%E8%92%82%E7%8E%A9%E5%AE%B6%E7%9A%84%E6%83%B3%E6%B3%95/#findComment-1768685 Share on other sites More sharing options...
whiteking Posted December 5, 2024 Share Posted December 5, 2024 On 11/26/2024 at 10:47 PM, Mysterious box said: You being here isn't a problem it's how the communication is happening some chinese members are actually giving constructive feedback but posts like this are harming that and leading to some people lumping them in with the louder unconstructive feedback that's why I'm saying what's being done is harming their efforts. This is certainly very correct. It is too correct to be meaningful. Just like someone said that war should not happen. When someone politely expresses their opinion, some people who do not know what their purpose is will come forward and say: No, you shouldn't have any objections. You don't have that right, even if you buy the game. No one forces you to buy games, you can choose not to play if you think the game is not good. KLEI knows this game better than you do. Why do you have any objections when others think it's good? When someone speaks politely, they suppress their voice; When some people start to fiercely attack, they say that these people have no useful suggestions and will only damage the forum. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/161270-%E8%BF%99%E6%98%AF%E6%89%80%E6%9C%89%E6%B8%A9%E8%92%82%E7%8E%A9%E5%AE%B6%E7%9A%84%E6%83%B3%E6%B3%95/#findComment-1768693 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverSpoon Posted December 5, 2024 Share Posted December 5, 2024 I'm sorry, I can't say that Klei doesn't belittle Chinese. I've been reporting who are making obvious hate speech against Chinese during this beta, but Klei hasn't handled adequately. On 11/27/2024 at 12:27 AM, Sacco said: hell yeah, another shi*** post made by a chinese player. And i find people who still tell me that they're trying to help. (I AM NOT SAYING THAT EVERY CHINESE PLAYER DO THIS, BUT A LOT ARE ACTING FOOLISHILY. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/161270-%E8%BF%99%E6%98%AF%E6%89%80%E6%9C%89%E6%B8%A9%E8%92%82%E7%8E%A9%E5%AE%B6%E7%9A%84%E6%83%B3%E6%B3%95/#findComment-1768696 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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