suggestion Wendy's skill tree, this is the perfect one

[cyjs]

How interesting! Prices and rewards coexist, are you a genius? I like the design of SAN value and armor value! Either you use shadow monster harassment to get Abigail's power-up, or you don't click on it and control Abigail's status. Although the Bone Helmet ignores the cost, Shadow's final boss is not easy to defeat, so this will encourage Wendy to defeat it, and its armor is not very high. It may not be very useful in actual situations. It will only be a choice.

[loopuleasa]

On 11/25/2024 at 6:30 PM, purelove said:

Wendy explores death: Wendy can make her own tombstone, and after death, she can come back to life from there

This is lore inaccurate, and breaks immersion

Wendy should get no revive perks at all, as that always begs the question: If revive is possible why is Abigail still dead

This is a taboo that must be maintained to preserve the lore and vibe of the character

 

NO REVIVE perks for Wendy to maintain her character

[lio516]

看到你的内容，此刻我的心意无以言表，技能名字和阿比盖尔页面的想法，我同意你是我的上帝

[purelove]

4 minutes ago, loopuleasa said:

This is lore inaccurate, and breaks immersion

Wendy should get no revive perks at all, as that always begs the question: If revive is possible why is Abigail still dead

This is a taboo that must be maintained to preserve the lore and vibe of the character

 

NO REVIVE perks for Wendy to maintain her character

My idea was that she would be brought back to life in a sort of faking death way, but actually doing that would make this skill really weird, so I chose to make her a Florid Postern that could be placed, and she would experience death and understand that it wouldn't separate the sisters, and my idea was something like this, and you can watch it further back, I made a better distinction at the back

2 minutes ago, lio516 said:

看到你的内容，此刻我的心意无以言表，技能名字和阿比盖尔页面的想法，我同意你是我的上帝

Thank you so much

[cyjs]

Just now, purelove said:

我的想法是让她以一种假死的方式复活，但实际上这样做会让这个技能变得很奇怪，所以我选择给她做一个可以放置的花卉海报，她会经历死亡和明白了不会把姐妹分开，我的想法是这样的，你可以再往后看，我在后面做了更好的区分

你应该单独领出来一个主题，把你的第二版发出来

[lio516]

9 minutes ago, loopuleasa said:

This is lore inaccurate, and breaks immersion

Isn't there a resurrection statue in the game? It's pretty much like that

[purelove]

4 minutes ago, cyjs said:

你应该单独领出来一个主题，把你的第二版发出来

Ok, I'll do it right away

[loopuleasa]

2 minutes ago, lio516 said:

Isn't there a resurrection statue in the game? It's pretty much like that

Yes, the meat effigy, but that is a wilson themed item

We don't talk about it

"It doesn't exist" - Lore accurate Wendy player

[grm9]

12 minutes ago, loopuleasa said:

This is lore inaccurate, and breaks immersion

Wendy should get no revive perks at all, as that always begs the question: If revive is possible why is Abigail still dead

because some revive methods require doing some thing before death, e.g. meat effigy and their suggestion, unless you'd also be able to haunt the tomb stone even if you didn't get linked to it before death

also, telltale heart is still a thing and has quotes for trying to use it on abigail    

[loopuleasa]

Just now, grm9 said:

because some revive methods require doing some thing before death, e.g. meat effigy and their suggestion, unless you'd also be able to haunt the tomb stone even if you didn't get linked to it before death

also, telltale heart is still a thing and has quotes for trying to use it on abigail    

yes, telltale heart is a meta-item

it's a "multiplayer game feature" for convenience

it does not exist in the lore

just like people respawn in Rust and Minecraft by simply having a "bed" to sleep in

[purelove]

3 minutes ago, loopuleasa said:

Yes, the meat effigy, but that is a wilson themed item

We don't talk about it

"It doesn't exist" - Lore accurate Wendy player

My skill tree design is kind of like letting Wendy understand that death doesn't separate true feelings.

She has always been a sad little girl, and I hope that after all these years, it can grow up to gain a strong heart

[grm9]

2 minutes ago, loopuleasa said:

yes, telltale heart is a meta-item

it's a "multiplayer game feature" for convenience

it does not exist in the lore

just like people respawn in Rust and Minecraft by simply having a "bed" to sleep in

???

it does exist, we've seen it in an animated part of a trailer and not only game play part and characters having quotes for it means that they acknowledge it's existence and it's canon 

[loopuleasa]

1 minute ago, grm9 said:

???

it does exist, we've seen it in a trailer in an animated part of it and not just game play, also having quotes for trying to use it on abigail means that it is acknowledged by characters and canonically exists 

And lore wise why doesn't it work on abigail?

There is no satisfactory explanation, apart from: This is a game item, like how people revive at a bed in survival games, because this is not a hardcore game where you have 1 life

In the lore the characters act like they have 1 life

[cyjs]

There should be a price for resurrection, otherwise it will be too similar to the rose resurrection of the female worker.

[grm9]

3 minutes ago, loopuleasa said:

And lore wise why doesn't it work on abigail?

There is no satisfactory explanation, apart from: This is a game item, like how people revive at a bed in survival games, because this is not a hardcore game where you have 1 life

In the lore the characters act like they have 1 life

characters say that, look at their quotes for trying to use it on her, iirc wortox says something particularly specific

nah, life amulet, touch stone, meat effigy etc. make sense and are canon, it's multiplayer now so wilson telling people how to make the effigies makes sense

they don't, they just value it because of reviving being troublesome

[purelove]

4 minutes ago, loopuleasa said:

And lore wise why doesn't it work on abigail?

There is no satisfactory explanation, apart from: This is a game item, like how people revive at a bed in survival games, because this is not a hardcore game where you have 1 life

In the lore the characters act like they have 1 life

We get what you're saying, in the way the story is expressed, they actually have one life, and my setup is actually to hope that when Wendy is heartbroken and tries to die because of Abigail, or whatever, she has an Epiphany and realizes that death doesn't affect her and Abigail, because Abigail sees Wendy dying and draws on the power of the moon. Inspire Wendy's hope of living, and then the skill tree, are the two sisters constantly feel each other's plot, I am sorry that my English is not the first language, in order to restore you as soon as possible, I can not carefully examine the mistakes in the text

13 minutes ago, loopuleasa said:

And lore wise why doesn't it work on abigail?

There is no satisfactory explanation, apart from: This is a game item, like how people revive at a bed in survival games, because this is not a hardcore game where you have 1 life

In the lore the characters act like they have 1 life

I've been looking forward to Wendy growing up, from that sad little girl to being strong, and my skill tree is actually a metaphor for my own vision for how the story would go.

I hope Wendy, after failing to find a way to bring Abigail back to life completely (Maxwell and the other knowledgeable characters say there is no way), is heartbroken and tries to kill herself, but when Abigail realizes Wendy is dying, she inadvertently unleashing the power of the moon to make Abigail the way she once was (in part), which gives Wendy renewed hope,

And continue to learn some of their knowledge from knowledgeable characters.

The Command Skill tree is learned from Maxwell's ability to command her own minions, and finding more Mourning Glory is a method that other adventurers have given her to find.

The Abigail line is mostly Abigail since the last time she drew the power of the moon, always able to unintentionally leverage this power, making it seem to revive, of course, the mood is becoming more vivid

[Gui156]

 

兄弟借楼，我也有一些关于技能树的建议，而且和你的想法有很多都接近，希望这篇帖子能有更多的讨论，引起科雷的重视。

 

Brother borrowed the post, I also have some suggestions about the skill tree, and many of them are close to your ideas, I hope this post can have more discussion and get the attention of Korey.

 

墓碑技能树和花甲技能树合为一条，当两条技能树点满解锁一个最终技能，替换原有的鬼魂复仇，技能效果如下。

温蒂可以用一朵阿比盖尔之花和自己的骸骨来使自己复活，消耗一朵阿比盖尔之花，在原地留下一个白色的阿比盖尔之墓，这个坟墓只能由温蒂亲手挖掘，掘墓后获得一朵普通的花。（阿比盖尔可以通过重新制作阿比盖尔之花召唤出来，只不过会变回一级）

增加：三级墓碑技能增加装饰墓碑周围恶魔花瓣生长速度。

三级骨灰盒技能新增：每天有5%的概率在骨灰盒处收到一朵小惊吓送来的哀悼荣耀。

灵药系列技能加强，二级灵药可以同时给阿比盖尔使用两瓶灵药，三级可以同时使用三瓶。（否则产量增加后的哀悼荣耀根本用不完）    

阿比盖尔的三个主动技能需要调整：

共享cd，但合并某些技能为一个。

1技能：取消阿比盖尔的仇恨，回到温蒂身边，并提供更大的发光范围，持续30秒。

2技能：短暂化为非实体状态，冲刺到温蒂的指定地点并恐惧周围的小生物。

3技能：阿比盖尔固定在原地免疫伤害，向周围发出光亮，并对自身周围1个地皮的敌人持续造成减速和基础每秒24点的伤害，持续5秒。

参考意见：如果身上有哀悼荣耀，可以自动消耗1/2/4朵哀悼荣耀使用一次阿比盖尔的技能。

花甲的问题是100%转嫁所有伤害，难以平衡强度和泛用性，修改方向可以按照缩减前期作用以及制作成本、增加后期泛用性和成本来修改。

花甲前期：转嫁100%所有伤害，但姐姐会受到两倍伤害。恶魔花瓣需要的数量减少至5朵，外加20朵普通花瓣，保鲜度为5-7天。这样可以使得龙蝇等前期boss不会在花甲面前显得过于孱弱，也可以促使新人温蒂玩家不要去招惹这些boss，而是利用花甲度过饥饿寒冷的前期，搜集一些食物、建立一个火堆或者移植墓碑和蜂箱建造一个简易的恶魔花瓣与花瓣农场。

花甲后期：可以用纯粹辉煌或者纯粹恐惧升级，移除减速并提供20%的加速或者提供一个新的易伤buff，攻击身穿花瓣甲的温蒂的敌人，会额外受到0.25倍来自阿比盖尔的害。

并且升级过的花甲可以用纯粹辉煌或者纯粹恐惧或者恶魔花瓣恢复保鲜度。转嫁伤害调整回原有数值。花甲需要增强，使得它在游戏后期仍然对温蒂玩家来说是一件值得选择的特色装备，而不是一件碍事的大理石甲。

天体灵药需要弥补大月灵姐姐难以挂易伤的问题。

暗影灵药可以考虑增强温蒂和姐姐并肩作战的能力。

参考思路：

天体阵营分支：

2级月球效忠，温蒂可以用亮茄外壳和哀悼荣耀制作灵药，使阿比盖尔每隔1秒钟释放5团鬼火，缓慢向敌人移动，鬼火具有10点位面伤害。药剂持续3分钟。持续时间里阿比盖尔光亮范围增加至提灯大小，鬼火也具有小范围照明。

暗影阵营分支：

2级暗影效忠，温蒂可以用暗影碎布和哀悼荣耀制作灵药，使阿比盖尔庇护温蒂，阿比盖尔获得300点血量上限，每十秒获得一层暗影护盾，当阿比盖尔受到攻击时，消耗护盾免疫一次伤害。

3级暗影效忠，阿比盖尔变为暗影状态。阿比盖尔和温蒂攻击同一目标时，温蒂和阿比盖尔额外造成20%的伤害，并减少20%受到伤害。

 

 

The Tombstone Skill Tree and the Flower armor Skill Tree could be combined into one, and when the two skill trees are full, a final skill is unlocked to replace the original Ghost Revenge, and the skill effect is as follows.

Wendy can resurrect herself with an Abigail Flower and her own bones, consume an Abigail Flower and leave a white Abigail Tomb in its place, which can only be dug by Wendy herself with hand,  and she will get an normal flower. (Abigail can be summoned by recrafting Abigail's Flower, but it will be reverted back to level 1)

Added: The Level 3 Tombstone skill increases the growth rate of demon petals around the decorated tombstone.

Level 3 Urn Skill added: 5% chance  every day  a pipspook will come here and send a mourning glory.

The elixir series skills need been strengthened, and the second-level elixir can use two bottles of elixir for Abigail at the same time, and the third-level elixir can use three bottles at the same time. (Otherwise, the mourning glory after the increase in production will not be used up at all)

Abigail's three Action Skills need to be adjusted:

Share the 10s CD, but merge some skills into one.

Skill 1: Cancel Abigail's hatred, flash return to Wendy, provide a larger glow range and have high speed at 10 seconds.

Skill 2: Temporarily transforms into a Immune-attack state, sprinting to Wendy's designated location and scare the small creatures around over

Skill 3: Abigail Stay in place,Immune-attack, Cause slow and damage to nearby enemies. base of 24 damage per second in 1 piece of land，for 5 seconds.

Opinion: If wendy have Mourning Glory on her body, she can automatically consume 1/2/4 Mourning Glory to use Abigail's skill once.

The problem with the flower armor is that it is 100% of all the damage transferred, and it is difficult to balance strength and versatility, and the direction of modification can be modified to reduce the early role and production cost, and increase the versatility and cost in the later stage.

Early Flower armor Stage: Pass on 100% of all damage, but sister will take twice as much damage. The number of Demon Petals required is reduced to 5, plus 20 normal petals, and the freshness is 5-7 days. This will make early bosses such as Dragonfly not look too weak in front of the Flower armor, and it can also encourage the newcomer Wendy player to avoid messing with these bosses, and instead use the Flower armor to survive the early stages of hunger and cold, collect some food, build a fire, or transplant tombstones and beehives to build a simple Demon Petal and Petal Farm.

Late Flower armor: Can be upgraded with Pure Brilliance or Pure Horror removing the slow and provid 20% fast or providing a new vulnerable buff that attacks Wendy's enemies , taking an additional 0.25x damage from Abigail.

And the upgraded Flower armors can be restored to freshness with Pure Brilliance or Pure Horror or Demon Petals. Passed damage is adjusted back to its original value. The Flower Armor needs to be enhanced so that it remains a  unique character equipment that worthy for Wendy players to choose in the late game, rather than a marble armor that gets in the way.

The celestial Affinity skills needs to make up for the problem that Big Gestalt Sister  is difficult to hold on the Vulnerable buff

The Shadow Affinity skills could be considered to enhance the ability that Wendy's fight together with her sister.

Reference ideas:

Celestial faction branches:

Level 2 Moon Allegiance, Wendy can craft an elixir with Brightshade Hust and Mourning Glory, causing Abigail to release 5 Ghost Fire balls each 1 second and slowly move towards enemies, and the Ghost Fire has 10 Planar Damage.  lasts 3 minutes. Duration: Abigail's light radius is increased , and Ghost Fire also has a small area of light.

Shadow Faction Branch:

Level 2 Shadow Allegiance, Wendy can use the Dark Tatters and Mourning Glory to craft an elixir to protect sister and  Abigail can shelter Wendy better, Abigail gains a maximum of 300 HP, have a Shadow Shield each 10 seconds, and when Abigail be attacked, consumes the shield to be immune the damage.

Level 3 Shadow Allegiance, Abigail becomes Shadow. When Abigail and Wendy attack the same target, Wendy and Abigail deal an additional 20% damage and take 20% less damage.

[Gui156]

 

讲真，温蒂和姐姐的感情确实是这个游戏里最吸引我玩下去的，有姐姐陪着真的和其他没有姐姐的角色不一样，你说的关于温蒂和姐姐之间的互动和任务线超级戳我，玩到现在一直想看到温蒂和姐姐更进一步，女工和查理的关系都在技能树里体现出来了，科雷没把关于温蒂的这些做进技能树里真有点草率了。

 

Seriously, Wendy and her sister's relationship is the biggest motivation for me to keep playing this game. I really love the interactions and questline between them as you said . I wish there were more stories about these sisters. Klei didn't include them in this skill tree, is really make me sad.

[purelove]

6 minutes ago, Gui156 said:

 

讲真，温蒂和姐姐的感情确实是这个游戏里最吸引我玩下去的，有姐姐陪着真的和其他没有姐姐的角色不一样，你说的关于温蒂和姐姐之间的互动和任务线超级戳我，玩到现在一直想看到温蒂和姐姐更进一步，女工和查理的关系都在技能树里体现出来了，科雷没把关于温蒂的这些做进技能树里真有点草率了。

 

Seriously, Wendy and her sister's relationship is the biggest motivation for me to keep playing this game. I really love the interactions and questline between them as you said . I wish there were more stories about these sisters. Klei didn't include them in this skill tree, is really make me sad.

me too

[lio516]

On 11/26/2024 at 12:30 AM, purelove said:

 Wendy explores death: Wendy can make her own tombstone, and after death, she can come back to life from there

After Wendy's death, if the tombstone skill is not cooled, the death will not turn into a skeleton when it falls to the ground, then Abigail will take the initiative to approach or appear from the flower, slowly approach Wendy's body, showing a sad expression, and then gradually wrap Wendy with her ghost body, and then disappear together. The next animation shows Wendy slowly coming out of the grave. Abigail's spirit is gradually drifting away from her, and at this point Abigail's level and health will become 1

[tabsen]

How about we focus on AOE damage. The sisturn can contain Mourning Glories and Dark Petals. Each Mourning Glory provides a bonus level, up to a maximum of four levels. Each level grants a 25% increase in damage. When the number of enemies attacked is less than the bonus level, the targeted enemy will receive the bonus damage, while the other targets will receive normal AOE damage. For example, when attacking three enemies, one enemy will receive 80 damage, while the others will receive 40 damage. It emphasizes the speciality of abigil's AOE damage and can help address the issue of weak boss battles.

Other aspects: Increase the range of illumination. Chilling Spirits – abigil can cool down players.

[Bumber64]

On 11/27/2024 at 7:07 AM, loopuleasa said:

And lore wise why doesn't it work on abigail?

There is no satisfactory explanation, apart from: This is a game item, like how people revive at a bed in survival games, because this is not a hardcore game where you have 1 life

In the lore the characters act like they have 1 life

It's because Abigail died before entering the constant. Her current state being part of a bargain involving Them probably makes it extra difficult to fix.

Nothing short of Charlie gaining ultimate power is going to revive her, IMO. (Which ultimately means facing whatever apocalypse wiped out the ancients.)

[purelove]

On 11/29/2024 at 7:01 AM, Bumber64 said:

It's because Abigail died before entering the constant. Her current state being part of a bargain involving Them probably makes it extra difficult to fix.

Nothing short of Charlie gaining ultimate power is going to revive her, IMO. (Which ultimately means facing whatever apocalypse wiped out the ancients.)

Yes.

[Peasant]

On 11/29/2024 at 7:01 AM, Bumber64 said:

It's because Abigail died before entering the constant. Her current state being part of a bargain involving Them probably makes it extra difficult to fix.

Nothing short of Charlie gaining ultimate power is going to revive her, IMO. (Which ultimately means facing whatever apocalypse wiped out the ancients.)

There is a saying that, the constant, or rather the shadow magic, can "fulfill wishes". Wolfgang wished to be strong, so he became strong enough to lift a train and saved Maxwell; Maxwell, or rather William Carter wished to be the best magician, so he became the magician; As for Wendy…This saying explains that, this Abigail we see in the game is actually but a illusion of Wendy's, it being here merely because shadow magic had fulfilled Wendy's wish and created a fake Abigail that protects her, while the real one is long gone…

Too dark for my type…