the giant worm is a completely broken nonsence for showing somebody's malice.

[Steorra]

6 minutes ago, DegenerateFurry said:

Yeah, deleting items is bad except for food ones, and they ought to fix the swallowing hitbox if it's really that bad (I've never noticed it doing that myself, though). 

The rest of it is fine and is actually cool, though. Getting punished for bad positioning and movement by getting knocked around like a pingpong ball? I like it, and the damage from it isn't that high. A pack of hounds plus a Varg will shred you faster if you move and position yourself wrong, and you'll have a harder time against an Ewecus solo without a beefalo than you ever would against this thing. 

Please consider generally lag for ppl comes from different countries.

Especially the AOE effect of head in/out would be influence by lag of cave, even your world is a single player world.

[Ridley]

Why are you smacking the worm's mouth? The other end is way safer. I just follow the tail around while dropping lightbulbs to feed the worm.

[SilverSpoon]

12 minutes ago, DegenerateFurry said:

Getting punished for bad positioning and movement by getting knocked around like a pingpong ball? I like it, and the damage from it isn't that high.

I don't like it. There is possibility take literary infinite damage from the Great Depths Worm's attacks. I think It's not good game design to have damage that can vary from a spider bite to the heat death of the universe in a once mistake. 

I wouldn't mind if the damage taken per mistake was at the same or twice as other bosses.

[Steorra]

4 minutes ago, Ridley said:

Why are you smacking the worm's mouth? The other end is way safer. I just follow the tail around while dropping lightbulbs to feed the worm.

Because not every area has enough items for feeding. I should know how to fight this boss with every conditions, but not only a "well prepared" condition.

[Ridley]

11 minutes ago, Steorra said:

Because not every area has enough items for feeding. I should know how to fight this boss with every conditions, but not only a "well prepared" condition.

I'm at least ankle deep in garbage in every part of the cave system. What areas have no nearby sources of rocks/mushrooms/bulbs/splumonkeys/garbage to feed the worm?

[SilverSpoon]

33 minutes ago, DegenerateFurry said:

A pack of hounds plus a Varg will shred you faster if you move and position yourself wrong

This may be an unpopular opinion, but I think Varg is also a kinda broken boss if you're fighting him solo and without area attacks or range attack.

[DegenerateFurry]

22 minutes ago, Steorra said:

Because not every area has enough items for feeding. I should know how to fight this boss with every conditions, but not only a "well prepared" condition.

Why would you have less than ten lightbulbs on you if you're in the caves?

Also, why should you be able to beat this boss regardless of how ill-prepared you are? What kind of logic is that? It's not true of any other boss.

[Steorra]

17 minutes ago, Ridley said:

I'm at least ankle deep in garbage in every part of the cave system. What areas have no nearby sources of rocks/mushrooms/bulbs/splumonkeys/garbage to feed the worm?

check my 3rd video on the top of this thread, ruin rooms would have no items to feed the worm, also the ancient ochestran room.

10 minutes ago, DegenerateFurry said:

Why would you have less than ten lightbulbs on you if you're in the caves?

Also, why should you be able to beat this boss regardless of how ill-prepared you are? What kind of logic is that? It's not true of any other boss.

other bosses are not need "well prepared". you could easily fight other randomly generate bosses with only a weapon and a log-suit.

but this is not for giant worm.

 

Also, not every time you had enough lightbulbs to feed the worm if you speedrun the ruin.

 

Not every one choose lightbulbs, there's other lighting items for choose.

 

You can not suggest every ppl to use your play style.

 

 

And at least I could fight the giant worm without feeding it. It SHOULD have a way to dealt with when you in ruin room or ancient orchestran room without useless items for feeding.

 

Or every cave life would be "you must to use 1 item slot for preparing useless items for feeding a randomly useless boss", that's ridiclous.

 

Not every one build their home on main world.

[SilverSpoon]

21 minutes ago, DegenerateFurry said:

Why would you have less than ten lightbulbs on you if you're in the caves?

When playing with a large group of people, it's quite common to run out of light bulbs in cave. It's actually a good work, but there's always someone in server who love picking light bulbs.
In that case, It's quite problem when the Great Depths Worm comes to your cave base, because the lightbulbs around the base have already been picked...

Also, I'm stingy so I basically use the Enlightened Crown.

[Ridley]

24 minutes ago, Steorra said:

check my 3rd video on the top of this thread, ruin rooms would have no items to feed the worm, also the ancient ochestran room.

Right next door to these rooms should be literal piles of garbage the worm can destroy and eat.

 

[SilverSpoon]

1 minute ago, Ridley said:

Right next door to these rooms should be literal piles of garbage the worm can destroy and eat.

I'm a third party so I don't know, but if the lift is open, Ickers is blocking the way I think.

[Ridley]

6 minutes ago, SilverSpoon said:

I'm a third party so I don't know, but if the lift is open, Ickers is blocking the way I think.

Unless something has changed, Ickers don't completely block the way. You can slip between them.

[Steorra]

15 minutes ago, Ridley said:

Right next door to these rooms should be literal piles of garbage the worm can destroy and eat.

 

not every map has same generating, and not everyone wants the worm to destroy the potential gem resources.

As our discussion processed, the problem revolved again - to fight the giant worm for most ppl, we have to sacrifice some resources & items, but the giant worm itself almost drop nothing valuable as the rewards.

 

So then back to the top of this thread - the giant worm is encourage ppl to avoiding it but not to learn how to fight it. That is a broken design.

[Well-met]

your gifs look like you play with high latency.

maybe its time people understand what the "lag" really is about when you host caves.

or maybe it's time for klei to design a better system than the shards garbage.

[SilverSpoon]

36 minutes ago, Ridley said:

Unless something has changed, Ickers don't completely block the way. You can slip between them.

If you slip between Ickers, the Icker droplets will slow you down. Moving in a direction other than the shortest distance to slip through the gaps in the Ickers while escaping from the Worms seems like to need superb technique. That in itself is not a problem, But if the risk of failing it so is an InstaKill, then It's not good game balance I think.

[Steorra]

14 minutes ago, Well-met said:

your gifs look like you play with high latency.

maybe its time people understand what the "lag" really is about when you host caves.

or maybe it's time for klei to design a better system than the shards garbage.

but those gif is based on an offline world without cave...

[Well-met]

36 minutes ago, Steorra said:

but those gif is based on an offline world without cave...

I see, thank you for clarifying it.

[hoxi]

Honestly I'm kinda surprised that their food eating mechanic for items doesn't work with an inventory and digestion system similar to lureplants, but with both a bigger inventory and digestion time (since they take way longer to defeat compared to a lureplant and can eat way more items by moving around).

That or, they could make non-food items not get digested and let the player recover them by defeating the worm, unless the worm despawns (if that's a thing, I haven't checked).

4 hours ago, SilverSpoon said:

I don't like it. There is possibility take literary infinite damage from the Great Depths Worm's attacks. I think It's not good game design to have damage that can vary from a spider bite to the heat death of the universe in a once mistake. 

I wouldn't mind if the damage taken per mistake was at the same or twice as other bosses.

Yeah no, that's bad. It'd be pretty simple to make players not get knocked around by the worm if it already happened too recently (potentially with hit stun immunity too, so you don't get caught on a segment and take too much unintended damage, or get knocked back again anyway if the timer is too low).

Having something like this would solve the issue of potentially getting stunlocked to death with no way out of it.

 

Regarding lag and latency, it really wouldn't be an issue if there was client-sided verification for trusted clients (meaning public lobbies would work as usual for security/safety reasons). So when playing on your own, or with friends, or with people a server owner trusts, latency wouldn't be an issue, especially given that this is 99% of the time a coop game (and pvp would simply be unaffected). The only problem is that it'd take a lot of work and a lot of code would need changes/additions to work with such a system, but it's probably the safest way to address it while keeping current behaviors.

[Bumber64]

8 hours ago, arubaro said:

People asking to make this enemy the 473626th optional encounter is sad, seems like ~8Years without receiving a threat that looks after the player has make a lot of damage in the mind set

It is optional, though, since it despawns if you just walk away.

It can destroy stuff when it first spawns, sure. But that has nothing to do with the difficulty of the fight.

[MasterDos]

There has been quite a lot said about this in other threads. I will only say one thing, that the Great Deep Worm should be strengthened even more, so that it appears under the player (accompanying its appearance with a small earthquake, like the Antlion) and if the player does not have time to react - the Great Worm swallows him and there is no chance to escape, no matter what armor you are wearing.

I want more threads on the forum in the style of: "the worm must be fixed!", "I can't play a game that should be difficult, so make it easy!", "please make it so that I can kill the worm with one blow of the spear!", and so on)

[SOS-Ouroboros-K]

53 minutes ago, MasterDos said:

I will only say one thing, that the Great Deep Worm should be strengthened even more, so that it appears under the player (accompanying its appearance with a small earthquake, like the Antlion) and if the player does not have time to react - the Great Worm swallows him and there is no chance to escape, no matter what armor you are wearing.

I have a victim:

[DegenerateFurry]

16 minutes ago, SOS-Ouroboros-K said:

I have a victim:

It's impressive that you'd only need about twenty of them, from the looks of it, one after the other, to kill Toadstool. 

[SOS-Ouroboros-K]

1 hour ago, DegenerateFurry said:

It's impressive that you'd only need about twenty of them, from the looks of it, one after the other, to kill Toadstool. 

If there are more than three of them, you'll probably get a Shroom Skin.