The shadow strike is bugged or something?

[Cuernito.]

All wikis tell me shadow strike makes a 120 planar damage plus 10% extra to lunar enemies, so i tested this today and guess what, the shadow strike do less damage than the normal catapults attack O_O, now i dont know if this is intended or a bug cause all wikis talk about a 120 planar damage per hit, which is not true right now, i was planing to use the shadow strike to kill easily the CC but now i think its impossible. Just how lame this shadow strike is? so even the normal catapults attacks is stronger WTF. Hope is just a bug cause right now this is really lame, i have to say that i liked this strike during the beta cause it looked fun and even stronger than the lunar one that only deals damage once and has no other damage effect, but right now after testing this i have to say that there is no real reason to use shadow strike ever, its bad against lunar enemies, why would someone use it? The normal catapults are good at crowd control and even the normal strike of pure horror catapults do more damage...

Please tell me it is a bug. 

In case you wanna know, shadow strike dealt 33 damage to lunar enemies and normal pure horror catapults attack dealt 48 damage points, this has to be a bugg cause it is really lame otherwise.

[cybers2001]

Tested it myself, looks like the difference is as follows:
lunar strike: 120 planar + 10% vs shadow + destructive
shadow strike: 30 planar + 10% vs lunar + 34 thorns damage

The thorns persist for a while after the strike, and deals continuous damage as the enemy walks around in it.

My guess is this is a compromise for shadow strike as its far a less spammable ability due to no shard. It also allows for interesting combos if you power a catapult with both shadow and lunar.

[Cuernito.]

44 minutes ago, cybers2001 said:

Tested it myself, looks like the difference is as follows:
lunar strike: 120 planar + 10% vs shadow + destructive
shadow strike: 30 planar + 10% vs lunar + 34 thorns damage

The thorns persist for a while after the strike, and deals continuous damage as the enemy walks around in it.

My guess is this is a compromise for shadow strike as its far a less spammable ability due to no shard. It also allows for interesting combos if you power a catapult with both shadow and lunar.

if this is not a bug then all wikis are wrong, but i think it is cause 30 damage plus the thorns is still really bad.

Even if the shadow strike is not easily spammable you can just do the maths for killing a boss, after all the generators are cheaper than the gemerators.

I actually did the maths, if you use 18 catapults with 1 generator per 2 catapults(9 gens in total) using the horror fuel, and you spam the shadow strike you can easily kill the third phase of CC, all this of course thinking that shadow strike do 132 damage to lunar enemies(but this is not true right now). You dont need to refuel the generators so you only need 9 pure horrors to kill CC last phase.

132 damage to lunar enemies per shadow strike(according to wiki) x 18 catapults= 2376

Now each pure horror generator can do 6 strikes if only 2 catapults are linked to it so its 2376 x 6= 14256 damage!! in seconds

I know that you can link 9 catapults to 1 generator and do 2 shadow strikes but using this method with less generator is not gonna let you spam the shadow strike as much to do significant damage.

So you see my problem now? i was about to try this in my solo world but i tested it first in anoher world, and my disapoimnet was really big when i saw the real damage of the shadow strike, even worst cause the wiki just lied to me, so i was expecting that maybe in this forum some people can tell me if this is a bug or not. But right now im not having much answers. 
 

[GimplyGoose]

Early in the beta, both planar strikes worked the same and Klei said they were still working on it. Before the update was fully released, Klei adjusted the shadow strike to create a DOT area instead of doing all direct damage.

If you want to spam down CC, just use lunar strike. The shadow strike is useful in other scenarios.

[Cuernito.]

7 minutes ago, GimplyGoose said:

Early in the beta, both planar strikes worked the same and Klei said they were still working on it. Before the update was fully released, Klei adjusted the shadow strike to create a DOT area instead of doing all direct damage.

If you want to spam down CC, just use lunar strike. The shadow strike is useful in other scenarios.

Ah yes makes lots of sense, killing CC with something that you unlock post CC, thanks for the advice.

And what other scenarios is usefull this crap shadow strike? cause you know the strike makes less damage than a normal catapult, i have been playing in a solo private world for over 500 days and i still dont see any "scenario" to use this useless thing, can you please be more specific next time? My friend the catapults are really good for crowd control with just explosive volley skills, right now after seeing that the shadow strike is less damage per hit than your average catapult i dont see any aplications for it so please and i said please tell me in which scenarios is this good? making less damage per hit but having this funny little and cute vine thorns in an area, mmm maybe they are good as decoration? idk 

[grm9]

4 minutes ago, NekoSoulx said:

killing CC with something that you unlock post CC

you can turn charged moon glass into pure brilliance through celestial portal and wilson lunar affinity, you might also possibly want to kill a boss again after the 1st time

[Cuernito.]

3 minutes ago, grm9 said:

you can turn charged moon glass into pure brilliance through celestial portal and wilson lunar affinity

when i play solo worlds i usually stay as the same character, if that were the problem then why not just using wolfgang with chaud-froid and 1000 merms? if using the portal is allowed then why not just kill CC using console commands? i know how to use them so why not? after all the console is just there right?

[grm9]

Just now, NekoSoulx said:

when i play solo worlds i usually stay as the same character, if that were the problem then why not just using wolfgang with chaud-froid and 1000 merms? if using the portal is allowed the why not just kill CC using console commands? i know how to use them so why not? after all teh concole is just there right?

why do you try to deter people that tried to help you through writing worthless text and being obnoxious

[Cuernito.]

Just now, grm9 said:

why do you try to deter people that tried to help you through writing worthless text and being obnoxious

Cause it is the true, that annoys me a lot, and i dont know if this crappy shadow strike is bugged or its true that it is this bad cause idk, good in others scenarios maybe. In which scenarios?

In case you wanna know i have been playing a lot with my main character winona and i was delighted with all this new skill tree, even if it doesnt have any of my suggestions this was really good till i found out about the shadow strike being so useless for no reason, i mean right now why would someone use this? i was thinking that maybe people were sleeping on shadow strike and i wanted to try it against CC fight cause right now i have killed all bosses with the help of catapults, using different sets, but now i can't do that anymore, the third phase of CC is pretty destructive and i was planning to kill it fast with shadow strike with tons of catapults and tons of generators, using a good amount of resources but now its impossible and all the answers i get are... just use the lunar strike` like if i can wihout killing CC first, or things like use wilson to get free pure brilance, what a great idea my friend but i didnt ask for advice, all i wanted was a true answer, is this a bug or the devs just changed that without me noticing? if its the second then i just dont understand that skill anymore, and i was here thinking the shadow strike were good cause the wikis told me about the 120 planar damage, looking like an idiot trying to kill a lunar spider with it just to see that its hot garbage. 

[GimplyGoose]

6 minutes ago, NekoSoulx said:

Ah yes makes lots of sense, killing CC with something that you unlock post CC, thanks for the advice.

And what other scenarios is usefull this crap shadow strike? cause you know the strike makes less damage than a normal catapult, i have been playing in a solo private world for over 500 days and i still dont see any "scenario" to use this useless thing, can you please be more specific next time? My friend the catapults are really good for crowd control with just explosive volley skills, right now after seeing that the shadow strike is less damage per hit than your average catapult i dont see any aplications for it so please and i said please tell me in which scenarios is this good? making less damage per hit but having this funny little and cute vine thorns in an area, mmm maybe they are good as decoration? idk 

The thorns last for a while and besides doing damage they also cause a slowdown effect. You can shadow strike an area and then use regular catapult strikes on the slowed enemies for more consistent hits.

Is shadow strike as good as lunar strike? I don't think so, but like you mentioned, you can use it without rifts.

[Cuernito.]

45 minutes ago, GimplyGoose said:

The thorns last for a while and besides doing damage they also cause a slowdown effect. You can shadow strike an area and then use regular catapult strikes on the slowed enemies for more consistent hits.

Is shadow strike as good as lunar strike? I don't think so, but like you mentioned, you can use it without rifts.

i think you still dont get it, just tell me in which scenarios i can use the shadow strike, and be realistic please cause the thing you are talking here is pure theory. like for example farming what? bees? to dealt with hounds? spiders? i mean i can do all those mobs really easily with normal catapults why would you even dare to waste a skill slot into shadow strike? hell i can even kill bosses like bee queen or df with normal catapults, in which scenarios is better to use shadow strike than normal catapults? My friend im gonan tell you in what sort of scenarios you could prefer shadow strike over all the others skills... in no scenario at all, that perk is just decorative right now at least for a solo player like me, i can only talk with my own experience as a solo player in a private world, idk if this ******** has any good use when in a team, just remember that the thorn effect can't hit flying enemies.

The best perk ever surely no htting fliying enemies, making less damage than normal catapults and using pure horror as fuel. Wow really worth it right now. 

[cybers2001]

You don't need planar strike to kill CC. Dank swords still work just fine.

[Cuernito.]

4 minutes ago, cybers2001 said:

You don't need planar strike to kill CC. Dank swords still work just fine.

So at the end the answer is that the shadow strike low damage is not a bug ah, i hope someone correct the wikis later.

You know i was just trying something fancy, i mean you can kill all bosses without catapults, and you are right swords work fine on that boss and even worst that boss is easy but as i said i wanted something fancy, its a shame i can't use shadow strike to kill any boss cause it sucks so hard right now and CC is so destructive but at least while experimenting on this ******** that is the shadow strike i discover how to kill CC easily with pure horror catapults without having to use shadow strike. So thank you for the answers.

[GimplyGoose]

29 minutes ago, NekoSoulx said:

i think you still dont get it, just tell me in which scenarios i can use the shadow strike, and be realistic please cause the thing you are talking here is pure theory. like for example farming what? bees? to dealt with hounds? spiders? i mean i can do all those mobs really easily with normal catapults why would you even dare to waste a skill slot into shadow strike? hell i can even kill bosses like bee queen or df with normal catapults, in which scenarios is better to use shadow strike than normal catapults? My friend im gonan tell you in what sort of scenarios you could prefer shadow strike over all the others skills... in no scenario at all, that perk is just decorative right now at least for a solo player like me, i can only talk with my own experience as a solo player in a private world, idk if this ******** has any good use when in a team, just remember that the thorn effect can't hit flying enemies.

The best perk ever surely no htting fliying enemies, making less damage than normal catapults and using pure horror as fuel. Wow really worth it right now. 

I'm not sure what you are expecting. I for one am happy that shadow strike isn't just a copy of the lunar strike and that it has different mechanics. It might be a little underwhelming because Winona already excels at crowd control without taking the skill, but I don't think have the option to summon a patch of damaging vines for the cost of pure horror is this horribly underpowered useless skill that you are making it out to be. Just because it isn't good at killing CC doesn't make it garbage.

[Bumber64]

Haven't played Winona since the update yet. If I'm understanding her skills correctly, you get better DPS spamming Precise Targeting with your Pure Horror catapults than Shadow Strike? And the difference in Precise Targeting DPS between Pure Horror and normal catapults is basically negligible anyway?

It seems like the major issue is that the DoT of the thorns doesn't stack. You get one projectile that applies the lingering AoE, then all of the following ones just suffer from the decreased instant damage. If it did like 60-90 instant damage, even with slightly lower DoT, that would be worth it. Not hitting flying enemies is sufficient tradeoff for the slowing effect. (Although Enlightened Strike destroys trees without any such drawback, so Shadow Strike needs to be capable of at least equivalent DPS on ground enemies.)