New bosses are better than old bosses.

[DegenerateFurry]

1 hour ago, Swiyss said:

Daywalker and the corpse bosses have much cooler fights than old bosses.

If you disagree tell me why.

I think klei should keep adding bosses like that.

Oh hey, I completely agree with you for once. I like all the new bosses (including Crab King rework, mostly) more than any of the A New Reign ones. They're cooler, but they're also more complicated while not sucking to fight solo. I think Klei's done a great job with them, personally. 

[Swiyss]

10 minutes ago, grm9 said:

i've said most of that and new bosses're bad because fighting them isn't hard nor fun and there's only 1 strat for them so there's nothing good about them

Wish I knew how it felt to think that way just so I can understand exactly how you feel cause I currently am unable to put myself anywhere close into agreeing with this.

[Evelo]

Antlion is my personal favorite boss and she is pretty old now.
The deerclops change to make her attacks a cone instead of a large circular aoe was nice.
Bearger change was neat too to be given a cleave with his swipe.
Just need Moose/Goose to get updated to something a little cooler.

Klaus is still a great fight that doesn't get too boring.

Bee Queen just has too much HP otherwise I really like her fight.

Toadstool is fun for the first phase then boring again because of the HP.

AFW is just brutal as a solo player without followers, summons, or anything that isn't just "Wilson"

CC is fine, not a fan of the fight but it is better than AFW.

Dragonfly is pretty fun if you don't wall off the lavae honestly but she herself could be a little more interesting outside of the lavae summons.

So uh. Overall I guess I disagree. All of the bosses are moderately interesting, just the HP pools ruin it for me.

[Swiyss]

5 minutes ago, DegenerateFurry said:

Oh hey, I completely agree with you for once. I like all the new bosses (including Crab King rework, mostly) more than any of the A New Reign ones. They're cooler, but they're also more complicated while not sucking to fight solo. I think Klei's done a great job with them, personally. 

Yeah I'm not gonna lie to myself just to be in a group or something. I'm gonna say what I think and defend this idea.

But I do like to change my opinion about certain things when people express theirs.

@Evelo read my grm9 responses to see what do you think about it.

[Keknutui]

5 minutes ago, Evelo said:

Муравьиная Лиона - мой личный любимый босс, и сейчас она довольно старая.
Изменение deerclops, сделавшее ее атаки конусообразными вместо большого кругового aoe, было приятным.
Смена Медведя тоже была удачной, чтобы его можно было расколоть одним ударом.
Просто нужен Moose / Goose, чтобы обновиться до чего-нибудь покруче.

Клаус по-прежнему отличный бой, который не становится слишком скучным.

У Пчелиной королевы просто слишком много HP, в остальном мне действительно нравится ее бой.

Поганка - забава на первом этапе, затем снова скучно из-за HP.

AFW просто жесток как игрок-одиночка без подписчиков, призывов или чего-либо еще, что не является просто "Уилсоном".

CC - это хорошо, я не фанат драк, но это лучше, чем AFW.

Dragonfly довольно забавна, если честно не отгораживаться от лавов, но сама она могла бы быть немного интереснее вне призыва лавов.

Итак. В целом, пожалуй, я не согласен. Все боссы в меру интересны, просто пулы HP все портят.

It would be fun to see the queen bee's changes similar to those in UM. I honestly dislike this mod for some reason, but it's worth admitting that the Queen bee, in my opinion, is much more interesting in it than in vanilla

[Swiyss]

20 minutes ago, grm9 said:

???

I meant *new* bosses.

[grm9]

10 minutes ago, DegenerateFurry said:

They're cooler, but they're also more complicated while not sucking to fight solo

1st and 3rd're subjective and 2nd's misinformation, you can't say that werepig's more complex in comparison to FW

3 minutes ago, Keknutui said:

It would be fun to see the queen bee's changes similar to those in UM

i'd definitely play with a mod for reverting the rework, UM BQ extremely sucks, it has an attack that just forces you to walk on a road in a straight line for 10 seconds to dodge it

14 minutes ago, Swiyss said:

You should work for uncompromising mode

i don't like most of their changes

ig the mod file if anyone's curious also, put it into C:\Program Files (x86)\Steam\steamapps\common\Don't Starve Together\mods after getting the folder out of the zip file, if it doesn't work try with 1 shard

daywalker.zip

[Keknutui]

4 minutes ago, Swiyss said:

Да, я не собираюсь лгать себе, просто чтобы быть в группе или что-то в этом роде. Я собираюсь говорить то, что я думаю, и защищать эту идею.

Но мне нравится менять свое мнение о некоторых вещах, когда люди высказывают свое.

Speaking of bosses. I agree that the new ones are much more interesting than the old ones, but still we have a couple of old bosses who, for me, still keep the good. I think that the same Klaus or AF is an example of this, but to be honest there are few of them left

7 minutes ago, grm9 said:

1-е и 3-е - субъективны, а 2-е - дезинформация, нельзя сказать, что werepig сложнее по сравнению с FW

я бы определенно поиграл с модом для отмены переделки, UM BQ крайне отстой, у него есть атака, которая просто заставляет вас идти по дороге по прямой в течение 10 секунд, чтобы увернуться от нее

мне не нравится большинство их изменений

ig файл с модом, если кому-то тоже интересно, разместите его в C:\Program Files (x86) \ Steam \ steamapps \ common\Don't Starve Together \mods после извлечения папки из zip-файла, если это не сработает, попробуйте использовать 1 осколок

daywalker.zip 30.57 кБ · 0 загрузок

After your words about the queen bee from UM, I really don't know what you really like. 

[Evelo]

43 minutes ago, Swiyss said:

@Evelo read my grm9 responses to see what do you think about it.

Eh, i guess it is just the subjectivity of "better". I don't think the newer bosses are strictly better just, different. I don't usually experience much of post CC content because I typically grow bored of my world before I get there. I do really like the Nightmare Werepig fight it is nice but it doesn't feel much different from deerclops for instance. for me at least.

It probably has to do with my decades of experience raiding in WoW. I am just accustomed to the song and dance of boss fights that everything blurs into one another. I lost the uniqueness of everything since I have experienced SO much diversity.

I love Antlion because she has a global presence that can be felt while she is alive unlike every other boss (except deerclops). I wish more bosses had that "I am a danger to the world" feeling because that is what excites me the most. It forces exploration. Albeit a minimal amount since you can just run away from base every time she summons sinkholes then go back to ignoring her.

[Jimothywastaken]

I like the old bosses and i like the new bosses 

i think the anr raid boss design works really well for raid bosses that are meant to be an "event" or a major accomplishment like how everyone rolls up to the beequeen fight and its considered a world accomplishment when she dies for the first time as they are more complicated and harder than the more modern boss fights like moonclops and varg ^2

however i do think the newer boss design works very well for more minor bosses which while still an accomplishment they're more of a stepping stone instead of a main event
"killing" daywalker is nice and all but the great fuelweaver in the sky is the main course everyone is foaming at the mouth for

they both have their place in the game and turning toadstool into a 10k health dodge until vulnerable boss would be a horrible idea like how turning ancient guardian into a dfly level threat is also a bad idea 

[arubaro]

New bosses have a wider variety of moves and their atacks are telegraphed rathen than simply counting a number to win

I dont like how they spammed the stun mechanic and also i dont understand why most enemies now knockback you but they dont add that mechanic to old enemies that would make sense like treeguards or bearger

The good thing about old bosses is that they werent as resistance as the new ones against sides effects like fire or how strong they are againts hordes because everything has aoe now

Instead of adding bosses with inmunity to everything making a lot of items totally useless i rather would nerf strong items like pan flute (reducing the base sleeping time) so players if wanted to achieve that effect they will need to spam more (wasting more green gems) or using other methods like sleep darts (they should be buffed to the moon)

In general i love how dynamic are the new bosses. I have a lot of fun fighting Nightmare werepig (i dont like the scrappy form, the fight is weird and based on making him hit fences Zzzz) and sharkboi 

Idk why a lot of people dont like shakboi, they have one of the better attack pools with good variety, timings and mechanics plus the arena has an unique effect and the loot is really great

[_zwb]

5 hours ago, grm9 said:

it has an attack that just forces you to walk on a road in a straight line for 10 seconds to dodge it

that's literally anr bee queen

[somethin]

I like the new bosses design since they are all very doable solo without massive prep, which go very well with the fact that they're not really the main boss of the arc. But I wish we get a new "raid boss" tier ones soon as well, but not with Toadstool hp kind of boss obviously.

[DegenerateFurry]

Here's a question: what do people generally think of the Twins of Terror? I don't often see them discussed even though they are a post-A New Reign boss and are somewhere between the newer-new bosses and the old ones in design. I personally like them quite a bit, especially fighting them solo. They have their own unique dodging and kiting patterns and have loot that I feel is great (I don't like having to constantly replace ham bats), and I think it's a fun, challenging, but fair fight.
The only thing that annoys me about them (and the Eye of Terror) is that they don't spawn on the nearest player to the Terrarium (who summoned them) and instead might randomly choose to bully some first-time player sitting alone by a campfire with low HP and no armor (which also prevents whoever summoned them from getting to fight them).

[AliceShiki]

Both new and old bosses are fun, I agree.

I also agree with Crab King rework being a good thing because it was a part of CC's questline. Completely reworking an optional raid boss like Dragonfly wouldn't be very nice because the fight is quite fun if you don't cheese it, but Crab King being compulsory did make it beg for a rework.

I do hope we get more optional raid bosses with time though. They're very fun and unique experiences. Compulsory bosses like questline ones are probably better off not being like raid bosses though.

[grm9]

3 hours ago, _zwb said:

that's literally anr bee queen

except you need to time returning, it isn't 10 seconds, road can be curved and there're strats that allow you to not do that

[Swiyss]

12 hours ago, DegenerateFurry said:

Here's a question: what do people generally think of the Twins of Terror? I don't often see them discussed even though they are a post-A New Reign boss and are somewhere between the newer-new bosses and the old ones in design. I personally like them quite a bit, especially fighting them solo. They have their own unique dodging and kiting patterns and have loot that I feel is great (I don't like having to constantly replace ham bats), and I think it's a fun, challenging, but fair fight.
The only thing that annoys me about them (and the Eye of Terror) is that they don't spawn on the nearest player to the Terrarium (who summoned them) and instead might randomly choose to bully some first-time player sitting alone by a campfire with low HP and no armor (which also prevents whoever summoned them from getting to fight them).

I always use the pan flute on the twins and fight them separately. I think they're amazing, their drops are great and the fight can go south pretty easily due to it happening at night. And the eye mask is my favorite item in the entire game. Maybe the brightshade helm gets closer to the tier list but idk, the eye mask design is just really cool.

[ChintzyGnat]

12 hours ago, DegenerateFurry said:

Here's a question: what do people generally think of the Twins of Terror? I don't often see them discussed even though they are a post-A New Reign boss and are somewhere between the newer-new bosses and the old ones in design. I personally like them quite a bit, especially fighting them solo. They have their own unique dodging and kiting patterns and have loot that I feel is great (I don't like having to constantly replace ham bats), and I think it's a fun, challenging, but fair fight.
The only thing that annoys me about them (and the Eye of Terror) is that they don't spawn on the nearest player to the Terrarium (who summoned them) and instead might randomly choose to bully some first-time player sitting alone by a campfire with low HP and no armor (which also prevents whoever summoned them from getting to fight them).

I like the eyemask alot as it's easy to get early. If I ruins rush then I stick with dreadstone. The twins are fine I guess, it's just kinda 2 eyes and some more minions, I'd prefer the twins to have their terraria attacks. I never use sheild of terror just because the twins chew through a thuelsite crown so it's tough to make that item worth it imo. 

Twins are a good merm muncher though 

[Cruvimaster]

Kind of talk from someone who is bad at combat and only likes something new because it's easy. 

 

There are good and bad bosses regardless of whether they are new or old.

An example of a bad new boss is this:

This is also a new boss and there is nothing special about it.

[Antynomity]

22 hours ago, Keknutui said:

I don't quite agree. The old king did not forgive mistakes and did not work from the point of view of developers. Players killed him in ways that either canceled out the attacks of the crab itself, or where the player did not need to take much part. The new one has no such problems, it is certainly lighter, but also much more fun than the old king of crabs

The new crabking has basically as many 'gotcha' mechanics as old CK did, you can randomly drown due to how the ice float spawning works, your boat can be instakilled/ nearly instakilled by being impaled by a mortar, and mortars overall are super, super annoying with how when boosted they keep poking holes in your boat, just like geysers.

[Keknutui]

6 minutes ago, Antynomity said:

В новом crabking, по сути, столько же механик "подвоха", сколько и в старом CK, вы можете случайно утонуть из-за того, как работает механизм нереста ледяных поплавков, ваша лодка может быть мгновенно уничтожена / почти мгновенно уничтожена, будучи проткнутой минометом, и минометы в целом супер, супер раздражают тем, что при усилении они продолжают пробивать дыры в вашей лодке, как гейзеры.

There is a solution, just use pearls and one red gem, it will count as 4, and for punching the crab king should have 5

[Swiyss]

3 hours ago, Cruvimaster said:

Kind of talk from someone who is bad at combat and only likes something new because it's easy. 

 

There are good and bad bosses regardless of whether they are new or old.

An example of a bad new boss is this:

This is also a new boss and there is nothing special about it.

thanks for sharing your bad opinion, much appreciated.

[Cruvimaster]

29 minutes ago, Swiyss said:

thanks for sharing your bad opinion, much appreciated.

You are welcome! Fair opinion for a clueless topic.

People deifying a boss who is defeated in the first 20 days of the game.

[Well-met]

they both have their charm

[benfroyobro9381]

I like my fair share of new and old bosses and dislike a few from each. My favorites are: Dragonfly, Celestial Champion(though w/ base damage modifiers and no followers it can be a bit long), Klaus, Ancient Guardian, and Antlion(As long as I turn off tribute lol. His loot is a mixed bag too). My least favorites are: Crab King, Ancient Fuelweaver, Toadstool(im a solo player so everything bad about him gets even worse), and Malbatross.

Beequeen can be fun to cheese since there's variety but awful to fight solo without followers. I totally adore running back and forth with panflutes over and over again. I appreciate how Klei keeps adding more and more ways to handle her w/ Willow and Wigfrid's skilltree. 

Regarding Fuelweaver, I have a love-hate relationship. I love almost everything about this bosses's design but he's a pain to fight on console. He's also really inaccessible and annoying to get to with finding the atrium, getting to past the clockworks, and requiring so much gear that if you forget something you're screwed. I do think he's well designed overall though. I think in the endgame with brightshade staffs and other gear he'd be fun to fight though the annoying path to get to him will always be cumbersome.