New players in the game and 50 ways to hold down the F button

[gaymime]

2 hours ago, 00petar00 said:

DST is a very unique game that it doesn't tell you what to do and I think that a tutorial teaching players how to attack, use crockpot and make meatballs/pierogi/trail mix, kill butterflies would be very good addition to the game.

 

the game already partially does this through recipe cards scattered around and through the tips & hints. you get random recipes you can follow to get said food items and the tips for playing are on each loading screen, you can turn them off/on in your settings

[Mike23Ua]

On 7/7/2024 at 11:38 PM, AliceShiki said:

Honestly, I feel like new players really should start with Wilson (or Wendy) specifically to not deal with that.

The game already has way too much overwhelming stuff to learn. You really don't need character gimmicks on top of that. The basic characters are simply better choices for newbies.

I personally prefer Wilson for beginners on that matter, but Wendy being able to mostly skip combat mechanics makes learning survival easier for sure.

No it doesn’t, I’m a Wendy Main so I think I know what I’m talking about. Yes Abigail is absolutely Amazing help especially if you play Alone by Yourself, but there’s a difference between “Help” and “Relying upon” Your not going to have Abigail to help you deal with spiders when you decide you want to play as Maxwell- And that’s where learning the strengths and weaknesses of each character comes into play.

You have to learn to use things like grass traps to instantly catch Warrior Spiders and murder them from your inventory instead of being stupid and wasting weapon durability attempting to fight them. As Wendy you can just go at them with no strategy whatsoever knowing Abigail always wins.

In Solo DS Wendy at the very least had a Cooldown timer before you could rely on Abigail to do every little thing.

Also I’d like for everyone to keep in mind that Wendy hasn’t even gotten a skill Tree yet, so yeah there’s that elephant in the room.

And since I’m a #WendyMain I’m just about ready to compile my personal skill tree wishlists for a Wendy Skill Tree. (which I’ll post later..)

[Uedo]

2 hours ago, Mike23Ua said:

No it doesn’t, I’m a Wendy Main so I think I know what I’m talking about. Yes Abigail is absolutely Amazing help especially if you play Alone by Yourself, but there’s a difference between “Help” and “Relying upon” Your not going to have Abigail to help you deal with spiders when you decide you want to play as Maxwell- And that’s where learning the strengths and weaknesses of each character comes into play.

You have to learn to use things like grass traps to instantly catch Warrior Spiders and murder them from your inventory instead of being stupid and wasting weapon durability attempting to fight them. As Wendy you can just go at them with no strategy whatsoever knowing Abigail always wins.

In Solo DS Wendy at the very least had a Cooldown timer before you could rely on Abigail to do every little thing.

Also I’d like for everyone to keep in mind that Wendy hasn’t even gotten a skill Tree yet, so yeah there’s that elephant in the room.

And since I’m a #WendyMain I’m just about ready to compile my personal skill tree wishlists for a Wendy Skill Tree. (which I’ll post later..)

No it doesn't what? :s - I think you've accidently agreed with the person you're replying to with your post. Wendy helps a player learn the survival side of the game really quickly, as a common danger to newer players is the combat, they are literally saying that it removes the combat element. And it does, for the most part.

[AliceShiki]

3 hours ago, Mike23Ua said:

No it doesn’t, I’m a Wendy Main so I think I know what I’m talking about. Yes Abigail is absolutely Amazing help especially if you play Alone by Yourself, but there’s a difference between “Help” and “Relying upon” Your not going to have Abigail to help you deal with spiders when you decide you want to play as Maxwell- And that’s where learning the strengths and weaknesses of each character comes into play.

You have to learn to use things like grass traps to instantly catch Warrior Spiders and murder them from your inventory instead of being stupid and wasting weapon durability attempting to fight them. As Wendy you can just go at them with no strategy whatsoever knowing Abigail always wins.

In Solo DS Wendy at the very least had a Cooldown timer before you could rely on Abigail to do every little thing.

Also I’d like for everyone to keep in mind that Wendy hasn’t even gotten a skill Tree yet, so yeah there’s that elephant in the room.

And since I’m a #WendyMain I’m just about ready to compile my personal skill tree wishlists for a Wendy Skill Tree. (which I’ll post later..)

I'm not sure what you're disagreeing with me in. Can you clarify?

As far as I have seen from your post, we seem to be in agreement.

[Mike23Ua]

1 hour ago, AliceShiki said:

I'm not sure what you're disagreeing with me in. Can you clarify?

As far as I have seen from your post, we seem to be in agreement.

I mean that skipping combat won’t help a newer player learn the game, if anything.. it puts them at a handicap when they can’t rely on Abigail.

For DST that’s almost never going to happen, but for DS… Wendy did have to learn to survive without Abby for a bit.

And that’s how I (a veteran of DS) am able to play as Wes just fine, because even though I main Wendy.. I had to learn to play Wendy Without Abigail at times.

Again, This WONT happen in DST, and won’t help a newer player learn how to fight enemies or use traps to gather resources.

[Siren11]

2 hours ago, Mike23Ua said:

I mean that skipping combat won’t help a newer player learn the game, if anything.. it puts them at a handicap when they can’t rely on Abigail.

For DST that’s almost never going to happen, but for DS… Wendy did have to learn to survive without Abby for a bit.

And that’s how I (a veteran of DS) am able to play as Wes just fine, because even though I main Wendy.. I had to learn to play Wendy Without Abigail at times.

Again, This WONT happen in DST, and won’t help a newer player learn how to fight enemies or use traps to gather resources.

I also started with DS, but I learned everything I know about kiting and fighting in general from DST… playing reworked Wendy…

A person who relies too much on Abigail might struggle with combat, but they’re also likely to lose Abigail often and have to rely on some of their own skills or die. Even playing Wendy now, I do a lot of combat without Abigail. It was worse when I was learning.

In some ways, I even felt like I had to be even better at combat. If I didn’t have Abigail, I didn’t do as much damage. If I did have Abigail, I had to account for managing her in the fight as well (and as a result, I think I got a lot better at kiting and figuring out the patterns).

In some cases, I could stand back and analyze the fight while Abigail dealt with the actual combat. That way when I played another character, I had already figured out the pattern before I had to deal with actually fighting.

Of course, not everyone will be like me. But it’s disingenuous to act like newer players can’t get good at combat by playing Wendy (or anyone else). And combat isn’t even the only threat—playing Wendy can keep newbies alive long enough to start learning about the survival mechanics before they have to really delve into everything else.

[AliceShiki]

3 hours ago, Mike23Ua said:

I mean that skipping combat won’t help a newer player learn the game, if anything.. it puts them at a handicap when they can’t rely on Abigail.

For DST that’s almost never going to happen, but for DS… Wendy did have to learn to survive without Abby for a bit.

And that’s how I (a veteran of DS) am able to play as Wes just fine, because even though I main Wendy.. I had to learn to play Wendy Without Abigail at times.

Again, This WONT happen in DST, and won’t help a newer player learn how to fight enemies or use traps to gather resources.

Oh, I get what you mean now.

I disagree with your point that skipping combat won't help a newer player learn the game though.

Like, by playing Wendy and skipping day to day combat, they can focus on learn base building, how and where to gather which type of resource, how to deal with seasonal mechanics, what Crock Pot dishes are better and this kind of thing.

When they branch out of Wendy, they'll be forced to learn how to do combat, and they might struggle because they're used to the Abigail crutch, but... They can learn how to do combat without needing to worry about learning how to manage hunger, sanity, preparing for winter, and other stuff like it... They may even (if they're the kind of person who likes doing this kind of thing) just make a solo test server solely to try learning combat with Wilson, since now they already have a gist of the other game mechanics.

Alternatively, now that the player already knows the gist of how to survive, they can try going for Wigfrid, which is the easiest character to learn combat with due to the damage multipliers, built-in gear and HP Regen. And then they can focus that run on primarily learning combat.

So like... Well, I dunno, I don't think relying on Abigail will get in the way of someone's learning curve? Unless they like... Refuse to ever try other characters out and stay with Wendy forever. They'll simply be able to learn combat without needing to worry about the other mechanics because they already got the gist of them.

Granted, I still think Wilson is a better beginner option, but I can see how Wendy can function really well on that role.

[Uedo]

14 hours ago, Mike23Ua said:

I mean that skipping combat won’t help a newer player learn the game, if anything.. it puts them at a handicap when they can’t rely on Abigail.

For DST that’s almost never going to happen, but for DS… Wendy did have to learn to survive without Abby for a bit.

And that’s how I (a veteran of DS) am able to play as Wes just fine, because even though I main Wendy.. I had to learn to play Wendy Without Abigail at times.

Again, This WONT happen in DST, and won’t help a newer player learn how to fight enemies or use traps to gather resources.

I completely disagree, playing Wendy #previouswendymain allowed me to not be overwhelmed by smaller mobs whilst learning how to effectively kite without getting zerg-d.

As your your final comment 'won’t help a newer player learn how to fight enemies', I mean - It literally did for me.

'am able to play as Wes just fine' <- doubt.

[RozeMeteor]

I started the original ds as wendy and it hurt me in so many ways having to rely on abi, for me it was Wheeler who did the trick to learn cuz i could use evade and speed to observe patterns besides learning inventory management on top of it. The learning curve is diferent for each one of us and that's the fun of it. If the player needs to observe how things work on the game wendy might be a good call, when he learn how it works he can switch to wilson and do bare without relying on abi for kills/food, and after it move to wigi to learn combat without being so punished for a mistake and so on...