The need to improve Wilson's skill tree is more important than ever.

[Well-met]

have you actually tried using only torches though?

i know everyone is too lantern-pilled to even give wilson's torches a thought but trust me it really saves alot of hassle.

[Anis5240]

13 minutes ago, Well-met said:

have you actually tried using only torches though?

Wow, only worth noting for not getting stolen by monkeys when thrown, very impactful.

[Well-met]

14 minutes ago, Anis5240 said:

Wow, only worth noting for not getting stolen by monkeys when thrown, very impactful.

cool I didn't know about that one, that's even more awesome.

if you don't mind the endless light bulb + BQ grind then I won't be able to convince you. If you never play caveless worlds then I can't convince you. If you never use torches to panic specific mobs or light trees then I can't convince you. If you don't keep your twig/grass levels up then I can't convince you.

The torch life seems repulsive but it is infact very fun and opens up less passive gameplay.

I also think klei is actively trying to add more mobs and bosses that sweep dropped lanterns away, as shown with the great worm. Torch can even reliably stun crystal deerclops if you do it correctly.

 

[A4FE]

10 minutes ago, Well-met said:

panic specific mobs

the bishops are in SHAMBLES
swtg even though i use lanterns my ass keeps a torch close around those mf
 

[Bumber64]

2 hours ago, Well-met said:

Well, wilson has bland techniques because he was always built around being the default bland guy. it's literally his thing

if you want fancier things it's what the 15 other characters are for

He's the (pseudo)science guy. Unique crafts or elixirs would've fit him, but the closest we get is transmutations of existing stuff.

There are a lot of inventions he's credited with, but none that only he knows how to use (as with Winona).

They didn't even give him an endothermic torch with the torch tree. It's just mild improvements to the exact same item spread across multiple skills.

2 hours ago, Well-met said:

have you actually tried using only torches though?

i know everyone is too lantern-pilled to even give wilson's torches a thought but trust me it really saves alot of hassle.

Willow's free dwarf star says "hello".

(You know, the pyromaniac character. Without a torch tree.)

[Well-met]

19 hours ago, Bumber64 said:

Willow's free dwarf star says "hello".

(You know, the pyromaniac character. Without a torch tree.)

once again, you and so many people are doing this:

On 10/23/2024 at 3:18 PM, Well-met said:

your problem (and a recurring one amongst the dst community) is that you constantly compare every character at the peak of their world against every other character at the peak of their world.

don't tell wilson enjoyers to play something else.

[Bumber64]

23 minutes ago, Well-met said:

once again, you and so many people are doing this:

Characters don't exist in a vacuum. They're a choice between one another.

Wilson got the short end of the stick as Klei, for some reason, decided that everyone else needed a skill tree. (Skill tree was his rework, IIRC?) They then turned a blind eye to the power creep that they voiced concerns about with his tree.

I also don't know what you mean by "peak of their world". Should we compare two finished characters at some other point than the present development state? Or are you talking about world progression, in which Willow gets embers early game anyway?

[Well-met]

2 hours ago, Bumber64 said:

Characters don't exist in a vacuum. They're a choice between one another.

exactly, hence why wilson doesn't need willow's "dwarf stars" so why even bring it up

[Anis5240]

8 minutes ago, Well-met said:

why even bring it up

Because of the sheer difference between the two?????

Look at what Wilson had for his torch tree vs Willow for her lighter tree.

Torch tree: 3 tiers for both durability OR brightness. End point: torch toss.

Lighter tree: Has durability AND brightness perk combined. 2 tiers only. End point: embers, discount dwarf stars.

Willow gets more perks for HALF the points Wilson had. So yes, the imbalance is there and you can't ignore it.

[Well-met]

3 minutes ago, Anis5240 said:

Because of the sheer difference between the two?????

Look at what Wilson had for his torch tree vs Willow for her lighter tree.

Torch tree: 3 tiers for both durability OR brightness. End point: torch toss.

Lighter tree: Has durability AND brightness perk combined. 2 tiers only. End point: embers, discount dwarf stars.

Willow gets more perks for HALF the points Wilson had. So yes, the imbalance is there and you can't ignore it.

ok but wilson doesn't have freezing downsides and weaker stats? willow doesn't transmute anything?

stop comparing characters and start learning what to make of wilson's stuff.

[Anis5240]

Just now, Well-met said:

learning what to make of wilson's stuff.

Oh wow, so fun to convert 6 rot to 1 poop, really riveting gameplay right there.

[Well-met]

if you hate that perk so bad then simply don't invest a point in it.

I understand you find wilson very stale but again that's his purpose.

[NPCMaxwell]

1 minute ago, Anis5240 said:

Oh wow, so fun to convert 6 rot to 1 poop, really riveting gameplay right there.

Other skilltree characters: Amazing new gameplay and combat and such stuff!!!!

Wilson getting his hands dirty = peek gameplay that Wilson players are supposed to make up with.

[Well-met]

if anything I would sooner buff his hp and hunger to 200 than worry about his skill tree

[Anis5240]

2 minutes ago, Well-met said:

if anything I would sooner buff his hp and hunger to 200

So Wolfgang. The end. That's your dude.

[Well-met]

1 minute ago, Anis5240 said:

So Wolfgang. The end. That's your dude.

wilson doesn't ever get thin.

you are doing that comparison thing yet again.

[Anis5240]

5 minutes ago, Well-met said:

are doing that comparison thing yet again

Yes, and? It's valid to do anyway. I can have concerns on my favorite character, just as you do.

[Well-met]

I'm running out of ways to explain you to that wilson is the default, bland, boring character on purpose. That he got a skill tree at all is honestly surprising.

In the end I suppose there's no use trying to fight off the very same power creep klei let flowing in. 

buff wilsen pls, rework skill tree klei

[aidankocherhans]

On 10/22/2024 at 9:21 PM, SSneaky said:

legit the only gamechanger transmutation is :

I think it's generally better to just do the moonstone event unless you really don't want to wait for the full moon, there's easy ways to do the event and it's cheaper

 

On 10/22/2024 at 11:44 PM, Anis5240 said:

His gem transmutes, while not as 'efficient', still were good enough if you're willing to do a Varg farm. Until, guess what?

Klei PUT THE GEM TREES. NOW EVERYTHING JUST GO BACK TO ZERO.

I think the gem transmutes are still valuable, most gem types fall off in usefulness, but Wilson can turn the extras into the always useful green gems.

 

I think transmute logs, gems, and meat are great skills, transmute beard hair is decent, beard growth and storage are great, and torch toss is good. Transmute ores is okay, but generally too expensive I think, you'll often need both materials anyway. Insulation hurts you if you want to keep your beard storage in summer, transmute manure, shards, and teeth just isn't needed most of the time. Torch light and duration is decent but not worth the number of points required for them.

[Bumber64]

1 hour ago, Well-met said:

ok but wilson doesn't have freezing downsides and weaker stats? willow doesn't transmute anything?

stop comparing characters and start learning what to make of wilson's stuff.

Dwarf star undoes freezing downside. She doesn't have weaker stats. Her health and hunger are identical, while going insane works on percent. (Fire restores her sanity, BTW.) She gets a number of other abilities from her skill tree that aren't transmutation (one of which is a better torch toss).

Also, transmute isn't found in the torch tree. If torch tree were as good as transmute tree, there probably wouldn't be an issue. Endothermic torch would improve beard tree during summer. (Hey, look, I compared Wilson against himself.)

[Anis5240]

2 hours ago, aidankocherhans said:

Torch light and duration is decent but not worth the number of points required for them.

And that's what we're all talking about. What's the point of putting perks if 99% of players not going to use it? Not to mention said perks are useless to boot. At least beard storage had some unique perks.

[Anis5240]

Back at it again, folks. Let's see how many players remain investing in Wilson gaming after this beta.

[Peasant]

A joke suddenly came to my mind: who invented the great catapult that automaticly attacks the enemy?

A. A scientist who had built a door to another dimension

B. A worker in some factory who come to another dimension in an accident

[mkemal23]

4 hours ago, YXukun said:

B. A worker in some factory who come to another dimension in an accident

Yeah its funny how Wilson created tons of wild things but still can't make a shovel without science machine.

Winona is an enginner though, so it makes sense why she is the one who makes generators and such.

[Anis5240]

29 minutes ago, mkemal23 said:

Winona is an engineer

A handywoman who worked at Wagstaff's radio factory for at least like what, 2 weeks? - can make catapults (I'd argue the fact that Wagstaff in DS wanted to find a way to use nightmare fuel as weapons kiiiinda 'connects' it but that's such a stretch it sounds stupid after a deeper look).

At the very least I want Wilson to have more efficiency onto the items he canonically made. Perhaps reducing the costs for meat effigy/telltale heart/booster shot would be a decent start. Making other forgotten things - like the morning star - be viable again.

And of course, Wilson's whole character SHOULDN'T SUFFER IN THE NAME OF BEING THE 'STARTER CHARACTER' (which he wasn't, like god I can't believe even forums even thought of him like this, shame on you).