沃姆伍德玩家请看这里！ Main Wormwoods,please take a look at this.

[Blue Tangerine]

随着版本更新和沃特技能树的加入，沃姆伍德在新版本中略显颓势，尽管他原本的技能树得到过一次加强，但是相对于其他已经有技能树的角色，沃姆伍德并不出色。

  因此，我想提出一些能够加强沃姆伍德的建议，希望科雷能加强一下我们可怜的小树苗。

1，由沃姆伍德种下的种子不受“家庭”压力影响。他自己就是植物，把植物当家人很合理吧。

2，荆棘茄甲的伤害增加，改为22.7物理伤害+10位面伤害

3，光合作用再次加强，由每10秒回复1HP改为5秒回复1HP，略弱于驼鹿伍迪

4，沃姆伍德使用蜂蜜药膏，治疗药膏，犁地草膏动作加快，解决在战斗中回血困难的问题。

5，沃姆伍德可以徒手捕捉蜜蜂、蝴蝶、月蛾，捕捉蜜蜂时不会激怒杀人蜂。

6，亮茄对沃姆伍德的仇恨范围减半，就像WX-78和发条生物一样。沃姆伍德更容易安抚树精。

English version

With the latest update and the addition of farmer merms and lunar merms in wurt's skill tree, Wormwood has been weakened in the new version, even though his original skill tree was strengthened once, Wormwood still isn't as good as other characters who have skill trees like Woodie and Wigfrid.

  Therefore, I would like to suggest something that can strengthen Wormwood, and I hope that Klei could strengthen our poor little twig .

1, Seeds planted by Wormwood will not be affected by stress of "Family" since he is a living plant himself. 

2, Strengthen the Brambleshade Armor spike,it deals 22.7 physical damage and 10 planar damage(increases 5 planar damage ). 

3, Strengthen the effect of photosynthesis again,Wormwood regenerates1HP every 5 seconds in full bloom, slightly weaker than Woodie in his moose form. 

4, Add new effects in Compost Care,Wormwood will heal faster with honey poultice,healing salve, slimmy salve and till weed salve. 

Both of 3 and 4 are aimed to solve the problem that Wormwood's weakness in regaining health. 

5, Add new effects in Bee Kind,Wormwood will be able to catch bees, butterflies, and moon moths with bare hands, and catch bees without provoking killer bees.

6, Reduce the targeting range of Brightshades to Wormwood,like what clockwork creatures do to WX78. It will be easier for Wormwood to tame treeguards. 

 

[arubaro]

21 minutes ago, Blue Tangerine said:

Add new effects in Bee Kind,Wormwood will be able to catch bees, butterflies, and moon moths with bare hands, and catch bees without provoking killer bees

This is the only thing i could agree and even it i dont care if is added or not

Wormwood is more than perfect and, because a character gets farming perks, doesnt make him less good at farming or at anything else. He already got maaaaany buffs that he didnt needed

Stop comparing characters! This dumb kind of thinking is what is making every character become wolfgang 2.0. After all the skill trees the only character balanced compared to the content will be wilson...

[Blue Tangerine]

5 minutes ago, arubaro said:

This is the only thing i could agree and even it i dont care if is added or not

Wormwood is more than perfect and, because a character gets farming perks, doesnt make him less good at farming or at anything else. He already got maaaaany buffs that he didnt needed

Stop comparing characters! This dumb kind of thinking is what is making every character become wolfgang 2.0. After all the skill trees the only character balanced compared to the content will be wilson...

Firstly,I am sorry if I bothered you,but nobody is perfect,wormwood's farming perks can't make up his weakness in regaining health,while wurt can get tons of benefits from her new farming perks.Secondly,I'd like to say that comparing characters is inevitable,but it doesn't means every character will be as strong as Wolfgang,it's neither my intention. What makes me upset is that wormwood's uniqueness will be taken away by wurt's skill tree. Farmer merms take his farming perks and lunar merms take his extra AOE damage of spike armor. It's kinda unfair for wormwood don't you think?

[ryukamiya]

First of all, I would like to express my gratitude for the consideration of balance and for thinking of Wormwood.

I don't think that Wormwood will be affected much by gaining the agriculture specialization in Wart's skill tree.
If anything, it will make it easier for characters who need vegetables to grow them, which may reduce Wormwood's farming burden in multiplayer.
I don't think of it as a nerf. I think it's a good thing.

Of course, if the changes you mentioned were made, it would be even easier to play. The number of Wormwood users may increase.

But compared to the previous Wormwood, the repeated changes and the introduction of the skill tree have made it a sufficient improvement.

I've been using Wormwood since it was introduced in DST, and I'm quite happy with it as it is.


I apologize if the text is not conveyed well due to the use of a translation tool.

[Blue Tangerine]

38 minutes ago, arubaro said:

This is the only thing i could agree and even it i dont care if is added or not

Wormwood is more than perfect and, because a character gets farming perks, doesnt make him less good at farming or at anything else. He already got maaaaany buffs that he didnt needed

Stop comparing characters! This dumb kind of thinking is what is making every character become wolfgang 2.0. After all the skill trees the only character balanced compared to the content will be wilson...

I'm not saying that it's wurt's fault though, I just want to say that wormwood will be weakened in the new version. As for Wilson,he can produce lots of pure brilliances with charged moonshards,it's crucial since pure brilliances are hard to get,while charged moon shards can be easily obtained in large quantities by reading "The End Is Nigh!" in lunar storm. 

13 minutes ago, ryukamiya said:

First of all, I would like to express my gratitude for the consideration of balance and for thinking of Wormwood.

I don't think that Wormwood will be affected much by gaining the agriculture specialization in Wart's skill tree.
If anything, it will make it easier for characters who need vegetables to grow them, which may reduce Wormwood's farming burden in multiplayer.
I don't think of it as a nerf. I think it's a good thing.

Of course, if the changes you mentioned were made, it would be even easier to play. The number of Wormwood users may increase.

But compared to the previous Wormwood, the repeated changes and the introduction of the skill tree have made it a sufficient improvement.

I've been using Wormwood since it was introduced in DST, and I'm quite happy with it as it is.


I apologize if the text is not conveyed well due to the use of a translation tool.

My intention is to improve wormwood,not to weaken wurt.I think his skill tree needs some improvements

[BabaFisi]

To me, Wormwood’s only problem is that some of his abilities are a complete waste of insight. Three skills in particular: Bee Kind, Photosynthesis, and Lunar Cultivator I.

I made a reddit post a little while ago about all of Wormwoods skills, and these three by far are the worst in his arsenal. I agree with your changes to Photosynthesis and Bee Kind, but everything else kinda seems like TOO much of a buff.

[Blue Tangerine]

8 minutes ago, BabaFisi said:

To me, Wormwood’s only problem is that some of his abilities are a complete waste of insight. Three skills in particular: Bee Kind, Photosynthesis, and Lunar Cultivator I.

I made a reddit post a little while ago about all of Wormwoods skills, and these three by far are the worst in his arsenal. I agree with your changes to Photosynthesis and Bee Kind, but everything else kinda seems like TOO much of a buff.

Haha,please pardon my favoritism towards him.He is so cute,thanks for the reply. 

[arubaro]

2 hours ago, Blue Tangerine said:

, I just want to say that wormwood will be weakened in the new version

No because his perk will be the same.  How he will be weakened just because other character got the possibility of having helpers? I dont see any nerf to wormwood?

Was wolfgang weakened when wanda was added? No, he still does x2 damage the same way that wurt having helpers doesnt remove his ability to plant faster

Characters can have similar perks and that is okey if they play differently 

2 hours ago, Blue Tangerine said:

can't make up his weakness in regaining health,

So? He has an interesting downside. Only for that he is already fun to play

Is having a downside, that now has more ways to be countered, doesnt pay having followers,  high dps, easy sanity management,  easy farming, speed 24/7, getting living logs on demand, AoE sleeping perk, etc that bad? Maybe you dont enjoy what makes wormwood one of the funnier characters after all

How many more perks are needed to compensate being forced to enjoy one of the few interesting downside this game has? Not every character should be as strong as wolfgang or wanda and have the same absurd ammount of perks wurt has

[Blue Tangerine]

15 hours ago, arubaro said:

No because his perk will be the same.  How he will be weakened just because other character got the possibility of having helpers? I dont see any nerf to wormwood?

Was wolfgang weakened when wanda was added? No, he still does x2 damage the same way that wurt having helpers doesnt remove his ability to plant faster

Characters can have similar perks and that is okey if they play differently 

So? He has an interesting downside. Only for that he is already fun to play

Is having a downside, that now has more ways to be countered, doesnt pay having followers,  high dps, easy sanity management,  easy farming, speed 24/7, getting living logs on demand, AoE sleeping perk, etc that bad? Maybe you dont enjoy what makes wormwood one of the funnier characters after all

How many more perks are needed to compensate being forced to enjoy one of the few interesting downside this game has? Not every character should be as strong as wolfgang or wanda and have the same absurd ammount of perks wurt has

The point of the skill tree is to make up for the character's shortcomings and carry forward the character's strengths. The biggest trouble in planting crops is that you have to till the field every time after harvesting,  Wormwood's advantage is that he doesn't need this step, he can sow seeds directly in the field.The farmer merms make it possible for Wurt to direct sow without tilling,too. This robs Wormwood's advantage of farming to some extent. If you think this can be explained by "Wurt needs this", then what is the logic of lunar merms which have AOE spike damage ? What does a merm have to do with  AOE spike damage?

15 hours ago, arubaro said:

No because his perk will be the same.  How he will be weakened just because other character got the possibility of having helpers? I dont see any nerf to wormwood?

Was wolfgang weakened when wanda was added? No, he still does x2 damage the same way that wurt having helpers doesnt remove his ability to plant faster

Characters can have similar perks and that is okey if they play differently 

So? He has an interesting downside. Only for that he is already fun to play

Is having a downside, that now has more ways to be countered, doesnt pay having followers,  high dps, easy sanity management,  easy farming, speed 24/7, getting living logs on demand, AoE sleeping perk, etc that bad? Maybe you dont enjoy what makes wormwood one of the funnier characters after all pay having followers,  high dps, easy sanity management,  easy farming, speed 24/7, getting living logs on demand, AoE sleeping perk, etc that bad? Maybe you dont enjoy what makes wormwood one of the funnier characters after all

How many more perks are needed to compensate being forced to enjoy one of the few interesting downside this game has? Not every character should be as strong as wolfgang or wanda and have the same absurd ammount of perks wurt has

-high dps

True,but Wurt's mermfolk army could easily overwhelmes him. 

-easy farming

This will be taken by farmer merms

-getting living logs on demand

-doesnt pay having followers

All of these need to cost HP ,which is luxurious to Wormwood. 

-easy sanity management

Wurt can do it too by carrying some living fishes in her slots and reading Wickbottom's book. 

 -Not every character should be as strong as wolfgang or wanda 

I just said that. 

[mkemal23]

23 hours ago, Blue Tangerine said:

As for Wilson,he can produce lots of pure brilliances with charged moonshards,it's crucial since pure brilliances are hard to get,while charged moon shards can be easily obtained in large quantities by reading "The End Is Nigh!" in lunar storm. 

I'm sorry for kinda going off topic 

I also agree that Womwood is in a rough state but Implying Wilson is doing better than Wormwood and then giving this as an example is just mind blowing. 

Wormwood is a weak but a beatifully designed character. Meanwhile Wilson is a portable crafting table with zero fun gameplay loop. Your example also proves everything wrong with his skill tree. 

[arubaro]

17 minutes ago, Blue Tangerine said:

The point of the skill tree is to make up for the character's shortcomings and carry forward the character's strengths. The biggest trouble in planting crops is that you have to till the field every time after harvesting,  Wormwood's advantage is that he doesn't need this step, he can sow seeds directly in the field.The farmer merms make it possible for Wurt to direct sow without tilling,too. This robs Wormwood's advantage of farming to some extent. If you think this can be explained by "Wurt needs this", then what is the logic of lunar merms which have AOE spike damage ? What does a merm have to do with  AOE spike damage?

-high dps

True,but Wurt's mermfolk army could easily overwhelmes him. 

-easy farming

This will be taken by farmer merms

-getting living logs on demand

-doesnt pay having followers

All of these need to consume HP ,which is luxurious to Wormwood. 

 -Not every character should be as strong as wolfgang or wanda 

I just said that. 

Then you should play wurt. Seems like you prefer her over wormwood 

Comparing characters is a non sense. This is not a moba or any other kind of pvp competitive game. Each character should unique and when you play wormwood and wurt you feel you are playing different characters, period

[Blue Tangerine]

4 minutes ago, mkemal23 said:

I'm sorry for kinda going off topic 

I also agree that Womwood is in a rough state but Implying Wilson is doing better than Wormwood and then giving this as an example is just mind blowing. 

Wormwood is a weak but a beatifully designed character. Meanwhile Wilson is a portable crafting table with zero fun gameplay loop. Your example also proves everthing wrong with his skill tree. 

Sorry,I am not a main Wilson,didn't mean to harm you. 

1 minute ago, arubaro said:

Then you should play wurt. Seems like you prefer her over wormwood 

Comparing characters is a non sense. This is not a moba or any other kind of pvp competitive game. Each character should unique and when you play wormwood and wurt you feel you are playing different characters, period

Why can't I play the character I love meanwhile getting a fabulous skill tree which makes up his shortcomings?

[arubaro]

2 minutes ago, Blue Tangerine said:

Sorry,I am not a main Wilson,didn't mean to harm you. 

Why can't I play the character I love meanwhile getting a fabulous skill tree which makes up his shortcomings?

Why cant you ignore what other character receives to enjoy the character you actually like?? Makes no sense to complain about wurt receiving something and trying to force buffs on a perfectly balanced character just because you are jealous or whatever.

Do you want to play wormwood? Congrats,  you can.

Do you want to play wurt? Congrats, you can.

It doesnt affect you

It would be like people asking for wolfgang to deal x3 character just because wanda is close to x2 damage...

[Blue Tangerine]

3 minutes ago, arubaro said:

Then you should play wurt. Seems like you prefer her over wormwood 

Comparing characters is a non sense. This is not a moba or any other kind of pvp competitive game. Each character should unique and when you play wormwood and wurt you feel you are playing different characters, period

-Comparing characters is a non sense.

This is inevitable. 

-character should unique

What about letting lunar merms have Wormwood's AOE spike?Doesn't this make Wormwood less unique? 

[mkemal23]

3 minutes ago, Blue Tangerine said:

Sorry,I am not a main Wilson,didn't mean to harm you. 

It's all fine my friend, I shouldn't have jumped right in but did it anyways. Have a nice day.

[Blue Tangerine]

37 minutes ago, arubaro said:

Why cant you ignore what other character receives to enjoy the character you actually like?? Makes no sense to complain about wurt receiving something and trying to force buffs on a perfectly balanced character just because you are jealous or whatever.

Do you want to play wormwood? Congrats,  you can.

Do you want to play wurt? Congrats, you can.

It doesnt affect you

It would be like people asking for wolfgang to deal x3 character just because wanda is close to x2 damage...

Let's make it clear,my topic was about boosting Wormwood,not weakening Wurt.Of course I can ignore Wurt's perks if her perks won't endanger Wormwood's. Just tell me,what does mermfolk have to do with AOE spike?What's wrong? Why can't I ask some improvements for Wormwood? I am not complaining,I came up with some suggestions. 

Also,you are wrong,Wanda deals*1.75 damage with shadow weapon,not *2. Wolfgang deals *2.6 damage against lunar/shadow enemies,regardless melee planar damage bonus,which totally overwhelmes Wanda. 

Wormwood's skill tree DOESN'T make up his weaknesses while merms are taking away his original advantages,that's what concerns me. 

[IAmAFurrz]

klei doesnt care too much bout balance at this point, the scale of escalation will keep going higher and higher.

its not that the game is any less enjoyable imo, but i hope they give wormwood skill tree some love cuz god it is an abomination

[Wikte]

7 minutes ago, IAmAFurrz said:

klei doesnt care too much bout balance at this point, the scale of escalation will keep going higher and higher.

its not that the game is any less enjoyable imo, but i hope they give wormwood skill tree some love cuz god it is an abomination

My guess is when all skill trees are completed they will revisit the ones that need it most, before that is quite unlikely

[GimplyGoose]

I think Wormwood is in a great spot right now. Yes, there are some ways he could be improved, but Wormwood has already been given a lot of attention by Klei and while I would like to see some of your suggestions, I think it would be best if Klei continued their work on the other characters first before revisiting Wormwood.

[Mysterious box]

8 hours ago, Blue Tangerine said:

随着版本更新和沃特技能树的加入，沃姆伍德在新版本中略显颓势，尽管他原本的技能树得到过一次加强，但是相对于其他已经有技能树的角色，沃姆伍德并不出色。

  因此，我想提出一些能够加强沃姆伍德的建议，希望科雷能加强一下我们可怜的小树苗。

1，由沃姆伍德种下的种子不受“家庭”压力影响。他自己就是植物，把植物当家人很合理吧。

2，荆棘茄甲的伤害增加，改为22.7物理伤害+10位面伤害

3，光合作用再次加强，由每10秒回复1HP改为5秒回复1HP，略弱于驼鹿伍迪

4，沃姆伍德使用蜂蜜药膏，治疗药膏，犁地草膏动作加快，解决在战斗中回血困难的问题。

5，沃姆伍德可以徒手捕捉蜜蜂、蝴蝶、月蛾，捕捉蜜蜂时不会激怒杀人蜂。

6，亮茄对沃姆伍德的仇恨范围减半，就像WX-78和发条生物一样。沃姆伍德更容易安抚树精。

English version

With the latest update and the addition of farmer merms and lunar merms in wurt's skill tree, Wormwood has been weakened in the new version, even though his original skill tree was strengthened once, Wormwood still isn't as good as other characters who have skill trees like Woodie and Wigfrid.

  Therefore, I would like to suggest something that can strengthen Wormwood, and I hope that Klei could strengthen our poor little twig .

1, Seeds planted by Wormwood will not be affected by stress of "Family" since he is a living plant himself. 

2, Strengthen the Brambleshade Armor spike,it deals 22.7 physical damage and 10 planar damage(increases 5 planar damage ). 

3, Strengthen the effect of photosynthesis again,Wormwood regenerates1HP every 5 seconds in full bloom, slightly weaker than Woodie in his moose form. 

4, Add new effects in Compost Care,Wormwood will heal faster with honey poultice,healing salve, slimmy salve and till weed salve. 

Both of 3 and 4 are aimed to solve the problem that Wormwood's weakness in regaining health. 

5, Add new effects in Bee Kind,Wormwood will be able to catch bees, butterflies, and moon moths with bare hands, and catch bees without provoking killer bees.

6, Reduce the targeting range of Brightshades to Wormwood,like what clockwork creatures do to WX78. It will be easier for Wormwood to tame treeguards. 

 

Wormwood himself already has a ton of useful abilities he produces living logs, can plant without soil, can tend to plants by walking past them, knows what a wild crop is going to be before it goes to it's first growth phase, has armor that deals damage to enemies when he attacks or is attacked preventing stunlock situations which shreds some hordes, has a trap that auto resets allowing you to make quick work of hordes or add additional damage in boss fights, can mass produce mushrooms easier and faster than other characters which pairs well with his ability to make a aoe sleep cloud which puts nearby enemies to sleep, has a follower that gathers food for him and has a follower that removes the need to carry a light source, and he has enhanced uses for the brightshade gear. He has more but I think that more or less sums it up.

If you want buffs for Wormwood I won't try to dissuade you but he's far from being overshadowed by another character.

[Blue Tangerine]

2 minutes ago, Mysterious box said:

Wormwood himself already has a ton of useful abilities he produces living logs, can plant without soil, can tend to plants by walking past them, knows what a wild crop is going to be before it goes to it's first growth phase, has armor that deals damage to enemies when he attacks or is attacked preventing stunlock situations which shreds some hordes, has a trap that auto resets allowing you to make quick work of hordes or add additional damage in boss fights, can mass produce mushrooms easier and faster than other characters which pairs well with his ability to make a aoe sleep cloud which puts nearby enemies to sleep, has a follower that gathers food for him and has a follower that removes the need to carry a light source, and he has enhanced uses for the brightshade gear. He has more but I think that more or less sums it up.

If you want buffs for Wormwood I won't try to dissuade you but he's far from being overshadowed by another character.

His skill tree didn't make up his disadvantages while his advantages are taking by merms,why would merms have spike AOE damage? This is not logical. 

[Ruperstiltskin]

9 hours ago, Blue Tangerine said:

2, Strengthen the Brambleshade Armor spike,it deals 22.7 physical damage and 10 planar damage(increases 5 planar damage ). 

 

Or just give us the snare as well T_T

[Mysterious box]

1 minute ago, Blue Tangerine said:

His skill tree didn't make up his disadvantages while his advantages are taking by merms,why would merms have spike AOE damage? This is not logical. 

His skill tree didn't? He has a aoe sleep attack that puts mobs and bosses to sleep so he can heal easier as well as a vine bind on brightshade armor that prevents enemies and bosses from moving when he's hit giving him even more time to heal. His skill tree is filled with various powerful abilities that make him powerful in combat and make his survival easier I don't see how it didn't make up for his downsides?

[Blue Tangerine]

2 minutes ago, Mysterious box said:

His skill tree didn't? He has a aoe sleep attack that puts mobs and bosses to sleep so he can heal easier as well as a vine bind on brightshade armor that prevents enemies and bosses from moving when he's hit giving him even more time to heal. His skill tree is filled with various powerful abilities that make him powerful in combat and make his survival easier I don't see how it didn't make up for his downsides?

That's not true,he can neither regain HP by eating,nor be as powerful and agile(backstep watch) as Wanda, Brightshade Armor could only stop one enemy at one time,and even though it still cost HP to do so. Unlike Wanda who can dodge with backstep watch. By your logic,I can say that Wolfgang has advantage in healing too because he deals more damage,which means he spends less time in fighting,thus he takes less damage from enemies. Wormwood's skill tree does help in combat, but it lacks necessary  connections with making up for his disadvantages.

I'm going to sleep,I will reply you tomorrow. Good night. 

[Mysterious box]

14 minutes ago, Blue Tangerine said:

That's not true,he can neither regain HP by eating,nor be as powerful and agile(backstep watch) as Wanda, Brightshade Armor could only stop one enemy at one time,and even though it still cost HP to do so. Unlike Wanda who can dodge with backstep watch. By your logic,I can say that Wolfgang has advantage in healing too because he deals more damage,which means he spends less time in fighting,thus he takes less damage from enemies. Wormwood's skill tree does help in combat, but it lacks necessary  connections with making up for his disadvantages.

I'm going to sleep,I will reply you tomorrow. Good night. 

He can eat jellybeans to regain hp, He can use a batbat to regain hp, he can sleep, and he can use all medicine types to regain hp he even has a skill that makes him use compost wraps faster. If your planning on stopping hordes without getting hit that's what his sleep spores are for his brightshade vines instead punish bigger enemies for successfully attacking him while also giving him breathing room. It's interesting you bring up Wanda as well as she can't heal using food or use the batbat to heal only her watches which are not only on a cooldown but take a full inventory slot per watch. As for the backstep watch have you tried using it in combat yourself? It's definitely not easy to dodge with and for most people they'll end up just getting hit more compare that to Wormwood's sleep spores or vine snare anyone can use those without a expert combat sense. 

 

14 minutes ago, Blue Tangerine said:

By your logic,I can say that Wolfgang has advantage in healing too because he deals more damage,which means he spends less time in fighting,thus he takes less damage from enemies. Wormwood's skill tree does help in combat, but it lacks necessary  connections with making up for his disadvantages.

This comparison doesn't even make sense because Wormwood actually has skills that directly have effects that relate to his survivability. The logic your using is like saying Wes is the best early game combat character because his speedy balloon helps with kiting due to the speed boost making you less likely to get hit even if you ignore the obvious elephant in the room it relies on the player being skilled to reach those results.