Why the pipe is broken?

[S Y]

Hello!
Can anybody please explaine why this partucular pipe is broken?
I breaks itself same moment a dupe fixes it, so the pipe remains perma-broken.

Its made of granite and supposed to not be broken from overheat.

I need steel asap, because I'm running out of literally everything, aglae, water, dirt.

I need steel because I need to make heat-resistant buildings to make power from natural gas vent that erupts gas at 150 oC, I dont have plastic to make turbine.

I made this pipe from ceramic too, and now from radiant iron pipe, in all cases it breaks. Why?

This is my 3rd attempt playthrough, I dont think I have guts to start from zero again if this base ends up with failure too, I'd better play something else.

[Im_not_Included]

3 minutes ago, S Y said:

Hello!
Can anybody please explaine why this partucular pipe is broken?
I breaks itself same moment a dupe fixes it, so the pipe remains perma-broken.

Its made of granite and supposed to not be broken from overheat.

I need steel asap, because I'm running out of literally everything, aglae, water, dirt.

I need steel because I need to make heat-resistant buildings to make power from natural gas vent that erupts gas at 150 oC, I dont have plastic to make turbine.

This is my 3rd attempt playthrough, I dont think I have guts to start from zero again if this base ends up with failure too, I'd better play something else.

Check your refiner - there is most likely coolant in there far above the state change heat limit, so as soon as it leaves the refiner it flashes from liquid to gas, and breaks your pipe. The only fix I had when that happened was to empty the refiner, and then deal with the fall out of oodles of steam being released at once, versus a little at a time each time you repair the pipe. 

[S Y]

Emptying refiner only empties iron loaded into it.

I'm sorry I really dont understand how it is possible not to fail this game all the time, its all way too much intertwined and quite hard to keep the whole picture in my head and constantly update it.

I need steel to make heat-resistant building to produce electricity to power water cooler to cool down refinery that makes steel and still have some power left to cool down salt water comes out at 95oC to distill it into water using even more power of course produced not enough to electrolize it into oxygen, and for all this I only have few cycles left because only 1t of algae left...

I spent like 300 hours on this game and ~250 hours on last base and still something messes up my base so bad that I dont have any other option except start new game.

How many people actually made it past mid-game?

And this is easiest settings.

But I actually succeded in Satisfactory, Dyson Sphere, and Valheim, so no its not like 'this game is not for me'.

[blackrabies]

Everyone makes plenty of mistakes even at 2k hrs in I'm still screwing things up and learning new things. The info page somewhere in the refinery it tells you exactly how much heat gets put into the liquid.

What liquid are you using exactly for the refinery? I don't really recommend reusing the same water since it can flash to steam very easily unless don't really have an option. If water use it once then dump it for fresh cool water. 

Ideal to use oil for the refinery and build a little system to dump the heat into. A small chamber filled with water and a steam turbine helps for long term use. 

[S Y]

Yeah, probably, but I'm not sure I want to spend my only life converting it into frustration with 100% efficiency. There's hundreds details I can possibly unaware of yet that will ruin my base at cycle 700+, I just dont want to start from zero again and again.

Example: I have arbor trees and pips > I can make dirt and self-sustain lace farm > but I also need polluted water, and I dont have any geysers > I need to make one > from showers > but I need clean water first > which comes from two salt geysers at 95oC and -10oC > so I need desalinator and cool or heat up somehow > need power to power up > which can come from natural gas at 150oC or hydrogen at 500oC > but I dont have plastic to make turbine > I need oil > and pump water inside the well to extract oil > but water is salty so it needs to be desalinated first > and its way cold -10 and hot 95 so dupes will take damage while emptying and get stress > and part of water needs to be electrolyzed into oxygen with correct temperature > and so on....
This is way too complex, I cant even begin because I dont know what to build first, and anyway its too late because I cant make it in ~5 cycles when aglae runs out, so its over.

200+ hours of my life lost and I got nothing in return.

[Im_not_Included]

5 hours ago, S Y said:

Emptying refiner only empties iron loaded into it.

I just did a test in case I was misremembering, but it worked the way I described. If you hit "empty storage", it will empty everything in the machine, including coolant. You should also be able to see the temp of the coolant in the contents section, if you could send over a screen shot we'd be able to see which package is causing your issues. 

 

 

2 hours ago, S Y said:

Yeah, probably, but I'm not sure I want to spend my only life converting it into frustration with 100% efficiency. There's hundreds details I can possibly unaware of yet that will ruin my base at cycle 700+, I just don't want to start from zero again and again.

...

200+ hours of my life lost and I got nothing in return.

But if you aren't having fun with ONI anymore, there is no shame in walking away 200+ hours in any game is an intense time sink. The fact that you got to 700+ cycles on one base is kudos enough, not many can make it that far on their best try. I know its the cool thing on these forums to make sure whatever you build is 100% efficient, but that's what makes those peoples brain tickle. Games are made to be fun, and not every game is for every one. There is also no shame in making saves of milestones you like, and instead of starting from scratch, start from that milestone once you realize you missed something 50 cycles ago. 

 

5 hours ago, S Y said:

I'm sorry I really dont understand how it is possible not to fail this game all the time, its all way too much intertwined and quite hard to keep the whole picture in my head and constantly update it.

I kinda approach it as a rogue-lite - the point is to fail! its not a matter of if you will fail, it is when. and each time you start up a new base you are just racing the clock to see how long you can last. I also have an excel sheet on my other monitor with my to dos for the run so I don't go off doing dumb dupe shyeeettt. but I still have to walk away sometimes because a problem I made for myself just blew up at me and I don't want to deal with it. 
 

 

5 hours ago, S Y said:

I spent like 300 hours on this game and ~250 hours on last base and still something messes up my base so bad that I dont have any other option except start new game.

I have close to 5 k hours in this game, and very rarely get to what many consider "late game". I find I have the most fun early to mid game only, and once I get to late game I get frustrated and lose track of my goals. When I start to glance at my other monitors for youtubes I know its time to start a new base. 

Short version to say, I feel you bud, this game can get intense, and if you want to walk away, no shame, but if you want to try again, we're here to help.

[DolphinWing]

23 hours ago, S Y said:

Example: I have arbor trees and pips > I can make dirt and self-sustain lace farm > but I also need polluted water, and I dont have any geysers > I need to make one > from showers > but I need clean water first > which comes from two salt geysers at 95oC and -10oC > so I need desalinator and cool or heat up somehow > need power to power up > which can come from natural gas at 150oC or hydrogen at 500oC > but I dont have plastic to make turbine > I need oil > and pump water inside the well to extract oil > but water is salty so it needs to be desalinated first > and its way cold -10 and hot 95 so dupes will take damage while emptying and get stress > and part of water needs to be electrolyzed into oxygen with correct temperature > and so on....

In this example, all you need first is to make sure you have a stable water resource. You can open the database in game or check wiki to find out where you can get the resources you need. Most resources in ONI can get from more than one way.

For example, you can use Carbon Skimmer to generate polluted water by removing carbon dioxide which you dupe inhaled every day. Or you can collect Lavatory output since dupe generate more pollute water than used clean water. For quick use you can just mix the -10 degree brine and 95 degree salt water and pump them to Desalinator. If you mix them with 1 to 1 ratio that come with 42.5 degree. You don't have to cool the water to electrolyzed into oxygen, you just need to cool the oxygen electrolyzed. Different resources/materials have different heat capacity and you should understand that first.

For your case to cool down your base or Metal Refinery, you have a perfect -10 degree cool salt slush geyser (brine). Not everything needs Steam Turbine/Thermo aquatuner/Thermo Regulator combos. Use -10 degree brine as coolant for metal refinery or to cool down your base and then send output to Desalinator for water. You can find how much degree will rise when you use brine as coolant in metal refinery recipes. For steel I think you most have two steel productions per 400kg -10 degree brine. You just need to make sure you don't run out of brine too quickly. I believe one active period of cool salt slush geyser can produce enough steel for further development of your base.

I love playing ONI because there's always another problem after I solve the problem. Even after 2000+ hours I still make problems to myself because I may miss something in the process.

[Mastada]

Yeah, I hear ya. It's a tough game. Frustrating at times. But it has become my favorite game of all time now. I've restarted I don't know how many times...40? 50? The number doesnt matter, but each time I re-start I'm excited because I've either learned a tough lesson and ready to fix it/avoid it, or have come up with some sort of idea I want to try, just for fun. For me, the best times of the game are early game and mid game. When there are actual problems and puzzles to solve, with the given resources. Late game/end game I often start getting bored, when it turns into a true sandbox... and I often quit before I really want to, mostly out of boredom and that I find the space portion of the game is not it's strongest point. My point is, if it's a bad frustration and you are thinking of quitting, then go ahead. But sometimes the frustration can be good, and steer us in the direction of finding a better solution. Most of us have gotten frustrated. I remember the first time I finally made liquid hydrogen. It took me a long time and a LOT of hair pulling. But for me, it was fun to finally succeed.

If you do decide to stick around, we will be here to support you.

Finally, pipes break generally because they change their state, from liquid to gas or liquid to solid. For the metal refinery I use oil. Just pump off the hot oil to a "safe" place - somewhere its somewhat insulated - and later, when you have better technology, you can deal with the super hot oil you are producing... for example, cool it down... or just pump it into space and get rid of it. Some problems you run into have the answer of "OK, I can't fix this problem right now, but I will be able to, later, so just make the best of it I can until then."

GL/HF