grm9 Posted June 8, 2024 Share Posted June 8, 2024 3 minutes ago, Mysterious box said: Your talking as though I don't know this or are having trouble with these fights that's not the case as I've said I just don't like it as a gimmick i just don't know what's the issue if you don't since they only heal if you mess up, you simply spend more time fighting instead of getting resources for the fight Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/156641-crab-king-need-a-buff-he-die-so-fast-and-his-dmg-is-nothing/page/2/#findComment-1721419 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mysterious box Posted June 8, 2024 Share Posted June 8, 2024 1 minute ago, grm9 said: i just don't know what's the issue if you don't since they only heal if you mess up, you simply spend more time fighting instead of getting resources for the fight Because it's not interesting. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/156641-crab-king-need-a-buff-he-die-so-fast-and-his-dmg-is-nothing/page/2/#findComment-1721420 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arcwell Posted June 8, 2024 Share Posted June 8, 2024 5 hours ago, the bafoolo said: and if you would play a low dmg character you should try to get bunnymen or pigs to fight with you or bee mine to deal more dmg or other way to make for your lack of dmg instead of you going all with your normal hambat and football helmet Both of these currently trivialize the fight. Bunnymen block waves, meaning your boat never gets pushed by waves, so they kill CK before ice phase ever starts. Bees can attack Crab King form inside the ice wall if they're there when it spawns. The timer for the ice platform to despawn only starts when the ice wall breaks, so if bees are there and you never attack the ice wall, they kill CK without him ever going back to claw phase. And I do not think requiring either of these is good game design, even if they were working properly. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/156641-crab-king-need-a-buff-he-die-so-fast-and-his-dmg-is-nothing/page/2/#findComment-1721422 Share on other sites More sharing options...
the bafoolo Posted June 8, 2024 Author Share Posted June 8, 2024 1 hour ago, Arcwell said: Both of these currently trivialize the fight. Bunnymen block waves, meaning your boat never gets pushed by waves, so they kill CK before ice phase ever starts. Bees can attack Crab King form inside the ice wall if they're there when it spawns. The timer for the ice platform to despawn only starts when the ice wall breaks, so if bees are there and you never attack the ice wall, they kill CK without him ever going back to claw phase. And I do not think requiring either of these is good game design, even if they were working properly. no if they working properly they will be good very good Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/156641-crab-king-need-a-buff-he-die-so-fast-and-his-dmg-is-nothing/page/2/#findComment-1721444 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well-met Posted June 8, 2024 Share Posted June 8, 2024 and then people realized the old crab king was actually fine Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/156641-crab-king-need-a-buff-he-die-so-fast-and-his-dmg-is-nothing/page/2/#findComment-1721475 Share on other sites More sharing options...
the bafoolo Posted June 8, 2024 Author Share Posted June 8, 2024 54 minutes ago, Well-met said: and then people realized the old crab king was actually fine he was actually fine and this new one only need some buff to be good Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/156641-crab-king-need-a-buff-he-die-so-fast-and-his-dmg-is-nothing/page/2/#findComment-1721491 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well-met Posted June 8, 2024 Share Posted June 8, 2024 59 minutes ago, the bafoolo said: he was actually fine and this new one only need some buff to be good i don't think so. it's pretty much an entirely new fight now which means its filled with exploits again Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/156641-crab-king-need-a-buff-he-die-so-fast-and-his-dmg-is-nothing/page/2/#findComment-1721525 Share on other sites More sharing options...
the bafoolo Posted June 8, 2024 Author Share Posted June 8, 2024 39 minutes ago, Well-met said: i don't think so. it's pretty much an entirely new fight now which means its filled with exploits again of course but when klei fix him he will be good Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/156641-crab-king-need-a-buff-he-die-so-fast-and-his-dmg-is-nothing/page/2/#findComment-1721541 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ahmed alkyal Posted June 9, 2024 Share Posted June 9, 2024 21 hours ago, Arcwell said: And I do not think requiring either of these is good game design, even if they were working properly. It's not required to use bunnyman or pigs or any of those methods you can defeat him on Wes using only hampat and football helmet and if u thinks its hard then use this method or method Those methods r not required Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/156641-crab-king-need-a-buff-he-die-so-fast-and-his-dmg-is-nothing/page/2/#findComment-1721998 Share on other sites More sharing options...
grm9 Posted June 9, 2024 Share Posted June 9, 2024 Just now, ahmed alkyal said: It's not required to use bunnyman or pigs or any of those methods you can defeat him on Wes using only hampat and football helmet and if u thinks its hard then use this method or method Those methods r not required they literally said that they don't want those methods to become required, not that they're required Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/156641-crab-king-need-a-buff-he-die-so-fast-and-his-dmg-is-nothing/page/2/#findComment-1721999 Share on other sites More sharing options...
the bafoolo Posted June 9, 2024 Author Share Posted June 9, 2024 8 minutes ago, grm9 said: they literally said that they don't want those methods to become required, not that they're required and i don't think if they buff the crab king hp will change the methods u will only need more healing and armour and weapons if u went to fight him with low dmg characters , and i said that if his hp will get buff they will need to nerf his healing so characters like wes can keep up with only weapons and armour and healing and some skills of yours Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/156641-crab-king-need-a-buff-he-die-so-fast-and-his-dmg-is-nothing/page/2/#findComment-1722010 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antynomity Posted June 9, 2024 Share Posted June 9, 2024 the fight wont be fixed if they fix exploits, its just boring, half of the fight is just you holding F on him because thats literally every 'newgen' boss in DST, you do X, Y happens, you get n amount of hits Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/156641-crab-king-need-a-buff-he-die-so-fast-and-his-dmg-is-nothing/page/2/#findComment-1722013 Share on other sites More sharing options...
dst_lover Posted June 9, 2024 Share Posted June 9, 2024 11 minutes ago, Antynomity said: the fight wont be fixed if they fix exploits, its just boring, half of the fight is just you holding F on him because thats literally every 'newgen' boss in DST, you do X, Y happens, you get n amount of hits this is why they need to buff those new bosses there is no reason to care about anything other then holding F Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/156641-crab-king-need-a-buff-he-die-so-fast-and-his-dmg-is-nothing/page/2/#findComment-1722017 Share on other sites More sharing options...
arubaro Posted June 9, 2024 Share Posted June 9, 2024 22 hours ago, Mysterious box said: Because it's not interesting. It is. Is a way to punish the player in a game which such easy revive options Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/156641-crab-king-need-a-buff-he-die-so-fast-and-his-dmg-is-nothing/page/2/#findComment-1722023 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruvimaster Posted June 9, 2024 Share Posted June 9, 2024 I see the current CK at both extremes: with the panflute it is easy. Without it, the fight becomes difficult (or even impossible depending on the character). But even with the panflute it only becomes easier with the choice of the right gems (purple gems mainly). Before we had to rely on using several ice staffs and now we have the panflute. CK has always had the distinction of being a boss whose difficulty is chosen by the player using gems. Before, it went from difficult to impossible. Now it's from easy to difficult. The truth is that if the player wants to make a more difficult fight CK gives you this possibility. But no one wants a modular boss, as they will always choose the smallest difficulty. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/156641-crab-king-need-a-buff-he-die-so-fast-and-his-dmg-is-nothing/page/2/#findComment-1722025 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antynomity Posted June 9, 2024 Share Posted June 9, 2024 40 minutes ago, dst_lover said: this is why they need to buff those new bosses there is no reason to care about anything other then holding F If they buff them I'll quit the already morphed beyond recognition game that DST is becoming, those bosses don't need buffs, they need actua good and engaging mechanics. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/156641-crab-king-need-a-buff-he-die-so-fast-and-his-dmg-is-nothing/page/2/#findComment-1722032 Share on other sites More sharing options...
dst_lover Posted June 9, 2024 Share Posted June 9, 2024 53 minutes ago, Antynomity said: If they buff them I'll quit the already morphed beyond recognition game that DST is becoming, those bosses don't need buffs, they need actua good and engaging mechanics. most of them have good mechanics but no one can see it for how weak thy are Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/156641-crab-king-need-a-buff-he-die-so-fast-and-his-dmg-is-nothing/page/2/#findComment-1722069 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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