Why do you consider DST a sequel ?

[WenericMember]

1 hour ago, Shosuko said:

This depends on Klei.  If they are willing to re-write the engine at some point, they could continue DST on into perpetuity without needing to version the game into DST2.  League did this.  Its over 10 years old and has no "league 2" in sight because the makers were willing to rework the underlying code, and game play elements as needed to redefine the game as it went.  Aside from computers and other tech advances eclipsing the current game engine there is no reason the game couldn't be continually built and re-built to suit its needs.

First of All, great post. fully agree with all of what you said about DST.

That said I don't think DST can last into infinity. Unlike league which is constrained to a single fixed map that they can substitute elements freely, DST has to be additive - all new content has to generate as part of all new worlds. As such, eventually it will get bloated. Obviously that's a ways away, the ocean and underground have more than enough room to contain new content, but there will be a certain point where adding new content becomes unsustainable as it becomes

• a) irrelevant compared to existing items
• b) overcrowding newer players
• c) exceedingly difficult to access

(tbh I think that's a major issue with minecraft at this point. From a survival perspective, all of the recent items are difficult to get (Netherite, armour trims)  or largely irrelevant (Sakura and Swmap biomes)).

Personally, I think we'll get 1 more finale content arc after from Beyond, before going into more individual updates like Waterlogged and Moon Quay. for the next 5-10 years.

[BalkanCockroach]

10 hours ago, Evelo said:

Seems like bait to me.

This is no bait, the simple answer to this guys thread is that this guy huffs glue like me. The only difference is they are having a bad trip unlike me.

[Hungry French]

13 hours ago, JustAFlower said:

1.What ? DST is litterally DS but multiplayer and more content balance and update magic, but not the same game like DS, DS have those amazing dlc's, DST has what I said a sentence earlier. I makes it a sequel still.

2. WHAT ?! IT LITTERALLY DOES ! Maxwell meets Wilson in the same world because they were both banished from the nightmare throne, it's not a new branch, and they teamed up, made the portal, other survivors, new reign of shadow queen, the moon had to react and broke a piece of itself, Wagstaff managed to make himself into a hologram, and now we have rifts. I have more details if you want

3.Bad and Good, things need to end, the cons will be that there won't be content updates anymore. Pros, many quality updates just like the one of DS (10 years)what a blast.

4. I don't play Don't Starve anymore so can't help ya with that pal. No, why should it bother me, and the technical problems is a massive iceberg coding part that I don't know about. Also Dragonfly coming in summer would break everyone in multiplayer.

5. In one year hundreds of games appears everywhere so yeah, 3 years can be a difference.

6.(Stop it with your Is not it so ooga booga) First, not all games need to slap a 2 next to the game name just to make it a sequel, it's ideological with all the elements I said about above CMON

7.Nah

8. There's no DS 3 if we don't pass through DST because it's a sequel (I know right ?!)

9. I mean, it's still the same system in DST i don't mind it, it's not expensive and Klei deserves more money.

I don't think I installed twitter, ngl.

BHAHAHAHA I JUST NOTICED THE TWO 6'S ABOVE

1. Balance ? DS have RoG, Shipwrecked and Hamlet. DST have RoG, AnR, RoT, Fb.

2.Dst has lost its singleplayer focus on loneliness, the main characters are no longer Wilson and Maxwell.

3.Who told you about QoL updates ? How many of these updates have we seen in 10 years ? 2 ? Next when to wait ? For the 20th anniversary of the game while DST will get another 100 content updates ?

4, "I don't play with you anymore *DS fall*". Wow developers can 't solve technical problems for 10 years ( don 't want to ).

5.DST is already 7 years old. This is an elderly game

6.Kid. What prevents Klei from making a real DS 2 ? Nothing!

What prevents adding content from DS to DST ? Nothing!

7.WoW.

8.There is nothing stopping you from doing DS 3 without DS 2. The lore can be rewritten.

9.Ok

I can't even install Twitter. So you are closer to the title of Twitter man.

12 hours ago, Shosuko said:

imo DST is the evolution of DS.

DS was not a full enough game and adding things like Hamlet and Shipwrecked didn't improve it in the way it needed.  They were great experiences, but the portals between worlds caused a lot of theme-breaking havoc.  As a single player game it had limits in that a player can only play so long solo before they need something more.  Klei had to decide - what is the next "expansion" or rather monetizable direction for the game.

Multiplayer =>  Games with multiplayer have a much longer shelf life b/c spending time with friends is something that seldom gets old.  If the world is opened up to allow a lot of fun things to do together, and runs a "game as a service" model there can always be more things for friends to do together.

The solution is to drive DST.  A multiplayer pseudo-sequel to the original game.  It recreates the elements that are loved from the original with a rebalance to open up space going forward.

I think Forge and Gorge were the nail in the coffin for spin offs.  They cost a lot to run and were not very profitable because they didn't fit the right monetization model.  People loved playing them, but they weren't places to keep playing endlessly like DST.

So now we have DST - which is THE DS game.  It is suitable for solo and multiplayer play, and endlessly replayable with the options available, and new content being added.l

You don't have DS anymore.  As fun as SW and Ham were, they didn't work as a way to grow the game.

This depends on Klei.  If they are willing to re-write the engine at some point, they could continue DST on into perpetuity without needing to version the game into DST2.  League did this.  Its over 10 years old and has no "league 2" in sight because the makers were willing to rework the underlying code, and game play elements as needed to redefine the game as it went.  Aside from computers and other tech advances eclipsing the current game engine there is no reason the game couldn't be continually built and re-built to suit its needs.

The game cannot be suitable for both singleplayer and multiplayer at the same time. These are mutually exclusive things.

If Klei wants, they can rewrite the engine about DS.
The mention of League makes you fear not only for DS, but also for DST and the entire Klei franchise

12 hours ago, Shosuko said:

Divided expansions => are not the way to go.  The game is not delivering a single storyline, but more a sandbox to play in.  Adding new sandboxes doesn't build on the story of the first, if anything its more prone to contradictions.  The experiences are isolated, and the experience as a whole is isolated in single player.

The storyline connects all DLC and Adventure mode.

Almost every DST update adds another plot hole.

Klei can do anything. They can make DS a service game, they can generally make DS as a separate storyline after Wilson on throne. They can come up with anything... There are so many possible ways to give depth not only to DS, but to the entire franchise, but instead we get updates for multiplayer with its leaky storyline.

12 hours ago, Valase said:

This guy is good at rage baiting!

Your problems are that you perceive my words as a reason to hate me.

[WenericMember]

21 minutes ago, Hungry French said:

Klei can do anything. They can make DS a service game, they can generally make DS as a separate storyline after Wilson on throne. They can come up with anything... There are so many possible ways to give depth not only to DS, but to the entire franchise, but instead we get updates for multiplayer with its leaky storyline.

I have an idea, they should make a standalone pseudo-sequel designed with multiplayer in mind that adopts a more sustainable monetization model!

[Hungry French]

13 hours ago, Uedo said:

1. It's not really anything and I really don't think DS stopped receiving support too early - Someone has said this before to you but you know about the QOL it received.

2. This is the problem; I don't think you're listening to what people are saying. I wasn't talking about Maxwell either, it's not really your fault but I meant the overall antagonist of Them.

3. Sure. 

4. I mean, the gameplay feels very different in my opinion. I think i'm too used to DST to really want to go back to it though.

5. Because things change and people are allowed to move onto other things, nobody owes anybody anything.

6. Have you tried submitting a ticket? (If that's a valid option), you could always look for a public email address, social media etc.

7. I'm not a fan, Like i said though i'm talking from ignorance, there might very well be good reasons it should be that way. I'm open to them if it needs to be that way for performance etc.

8. I mean, it's not a very lore heavy game. I'm happy to be wrong here but i'm guessing you can't really support what you're saying in any compelling way - again though; If i'm wrong, i'm wrong.

9. Maybe I misunderstood, I thought you meant as a subscription or something. I don't mind how it functions I guess, you can play offline - i'd like that to still be a thing too.

I don't know whether to take them seriously sometimes but, like, I just don't know how these are problems that you can/should solve. 

1.Wow. I've been waiting for 2 QoL for 10 years.... I wonder what DST players are waiting for over the next 10 years ? 2 QoL in 10 years ?

2.The common antagonist in DST is one - They. And then they are characters of the most distant plan.

3.And what is it ?

4.What exactly does not suit you in DS gameplay ?

5.The same can be said about DST

6.I have doubts that Klei will answer someone with such a question.

7.In DST servers, not shards because the game cannot work with shards when more than 1 person is playing.

8.DST is such a franchise lore in which it is very leaky.
   Each update gives more and more plot holes.

9. Like in DST.

12 hours ago, Cheggf said:

It continues the story after the conclusion of Don't Starve so it's a sequel. Simple as. 

DS Standalone Multiplayer expansion 

12 hours ago, fabin said:

bro tf you mean "undeservedly forgotten", they have quite literally made a humongous bug fix update for DS and all it's dlcs

Wow we got the QoL after 4 years of a lull on the 10th anniversary. ( 90% of QoL have been in DST for a million years and other errors have not yet been fixed ).

Are you waiting for the next 3 years in the DST there will be no updates for the 10th anniversary of the DST Klei will release a QoL update?

You talk about QoL as if they come out regularly and as if it's not a QoL, but an update or even a giant DLC.

12 hours ago, Frosty_Mentos said:

This is all you need to know about the difference. DST being the cooler one.

DST bad, but with updates 

11 hours ago, Mike23Ua said:

Its not even the same type of game or the same story.

This is a multiplayer with other main characters.

11 hours ago, Torpzun said:

"Why do you think DST is <this word> instead of <this other word that could be used interchangeably in many conversations>" who cares? Why are we so caught up on the specific meaning of words? Is one of the harder bosses in this game an English teacher that we can't beat as fast if we said the wrong word?

The most difficult boss DS Ancient Fuel Weaver

11 hours ago, WenericMember said:

First of All, great post. fully agree with all of what you said about DST.

That said I don't think DST can last into infinity. Unlike league which is constrained to a single fixed map that they can substitute elements freely, DST has to be additive - all new content has to generate as part of all new worlds. As such, eventually it will get bloated. Obviously that's a ways away, the ocean and underground have more than enough room to contain new content, but there will be a certain point where adding new content becomes unsustainable as it becomes

• a) irrelevant compared to existing items
• b) overcrowding newer players
• c) exceedingly difficult to access

(tbh I think that's a major issue with minecraft at this point. From a survival perspective, all of the recent items are difficult to get (Netherite, armour trims)  or largely irrelevant (Sakura and Swmap biomes)).

Personally, I think we'll get 1 more finale content arc after from Beyond, before going into more individual updates like Waterlogged and Moon Quay. for the next 5-10 years.

DS it could also expand endlessly . What do we see ? A dead game in which there is not even 50% DST content.

23 minutes ago, WenericMember said:

I have an idea, they should make a standalone pseudo-sequel designed with multiplayer in mind that adopts a more sustainable monetization model!

Or. They could not release a separate game, but rewrite the DS engine and add monetization.

Or combine DS and DST into one game.

[_zwb]

Does any of those questions matter? For me those things have 0 effect on my gaming experience.

[Hungry French]

17 minutes ago, _zwb said:

Does any of those questions matter? For me those things have 0 effect on my gaming experience.

Well you are lucky

[SpookyXy]

16 hours ago, Hungry French said:

1.But is it right that the game has changed its direction to a perfect other? Is it a good thing that DS stopped supporting too early?

DS dropped in 2012 and has been getting updates and major DLC as recent as 2023, over 10 years. Games just aren't allowed to end now?

[Hungry French]

6 minutes ago, SpookyXy said:

DS dropped in 2012 and has been getting updates and major DLC as recent as 2023, over 10 years. Games just aren't allowed to end now?

Last dlc - 2019 year. ( Only 2 exclusive DLC). 10 years - 2 QoL updates.

DST - 4 dlc's, more QoL and other updates over 7 years.

[gamehun20]

6 minutes ago, Hungry French said:

4 dlc's

?

[Hungry French]

3 minutes ago, gamehun20 said:

?

RoG, AnR, RoT, From Beyond - 4 free DLC's + non dlc content

[Frosty_Mentos]

2 hours ago, Hungry French said:

DST bad, but with updates 

Your takes are as bad as my answer. But that's just my take. And my take is an always valid take.

[grm9]

4 minutes ago, Hungry French said:

RoG, AnR, RoT, From Beyond - 4 free DLC's + non dlc content

klei didn't label update arcs as DLCs and if you want to use the meaning of the abbreviation, downloadable content, then almost every patch is a DLC

[gamehun20]

7 minutes ago, Hungry French said:

RoG, AnR, RoT, From Beyond

Those are updates

[Hungry French]

2 minutes ago, Frosty_Mentos said:

Your takes are as bad as my answer. But that's just my take. And my take is an always valid take.

Sound sad

[SpookyXy]

5 minutes ago, Hungry French said:

Last dlc - 2019 year. ( Only 2 exclusive DLC). 10 years - 2 QoL updates.

DST - 4 dlc, more QoL and other updates over 7 years.

Your nor including the named updates like Underground- which added caves and Strange New Powers- which added character abilities, All's Well the Maxwell, etc. We take these thing for granted cause most of us started playing after they were added but so much of DS was added in post launch updates. DST's DLCs are just a few new characters, DS's DLC are entire new worlds. new mobs, seasons, mechanics AND new characters. One of the DLCs- Reign of Giants was even made into base game content. Calling DS unsupported is a lie.

 

4 minutes ago, Hungry French said:

RoG, AnR, RoT, From Beyond - 4 free DLC's + non dlc content

You're either trolling or you don't even know what a DLC is. AnR, RoT and From Beyond aren't even DLC. They're the name of sets of content updates to the base game, DLC is additional content you can buy for a game you already have.

[Hungry French]

2 minutes ago, grm9 said:

klei didn't label update arcs as DLCs and if you want to use the meaning of the abbreviation, downloadable content, then almost every patch is a DLC

And what will change if she writes 3 letters or not ?

[grm9]

Just now, Hungry French said:

And what will change if she writes 3 letters or not ?

figured that matters for you if dst being labelled as sequel or spinoff matters for you too, even though neither affect gameplay except calling paid content as DLCs and free content as updates brings clarity 

[Hungry French]

1 minute ago, SpookyXy said:

Your nor including the named updates like Underground- which added caves and Strange New Powers- which added character abilities, All's Well the Maxwell, etc. We take these thing for granted cause most of us started playing after they were added but so much of DS was added in post launch updates. DST's DLCs are just a few new characters, DS's DLC are entire new worlds. new mobs, seasons, mechanics AND new characters. One of the DLCs- Reign of Giants was even made into base game content. Calling DS unsupported is a lie.

Undeground and Strange New Powers it's updater before release.  And after that she received only 2 QoL.

RoG has not been updated since the release. Shipwrecked has not been updated since the release. Hamlet has not been updated since the release.
Shiprecked and Hamlet adds new worlds and conditions, yes, but they do not complement the DS, but only make small analogs of the RoG mode... Very small.
DST add-ons - add new biomes, new bosses, new creatures, ocean, quests, rift, and all this is not in the form of a small separate world, but an addition for RoG world.

9 minutes ago, SpookyXy said:

You're either trolling or you don't even know what a DLC is. AnR, RoT and From Beyond aren't even DLC. They're the name of sets of content updates to the base game, DLC is additional content you can buy for a game you already have.

Look at Hollow Knight DLC's

6 minutes ago, grm9 said:

figured that matters for you if dst being labelled as sequel or spinoff matters for you too, even though neither affect gameplay except calling paid content as DLCs and free content as updates brings clarity 

DST = standalone DLC

[grm9]

9 minutes ago, Hungry French said:

DST = standalone DLC

so DST only got 1 DLC according to you, while DS got 3 DLCs 

[Hungry French]

8 minutes ago, grm9 said:

so DST only got 1 DLC according to you, while DS got 3 DLCs 

DS - 2 dlc.

DST it's giant multiplayer dlc's

[gamehun20]

19 minutes ago, Hungry French said:

Look at Hollow Knight DLC's

the dlcs for hollow knight is soundtracks gods and nightmares is an update

[Hungry French]

Liar or sick ?

[SpookyXy]

21 minutes ago, Hungry French said:

Undeground and Strange New Powers it's updater before release.  And after that she received only 2 QoL.

DS launched in April 2013, Uderground was in May and Srange new Powers was July, what are you on about?

 

21 minutes ago, Hungry French said:

RoG has not been updated since the release. Shipwrecked has not been updated since the release. Hamlet has not been updated since the release.

They are updates to the base game of Dont Starve. Are you upset that the updates didn't receive further updates? It's not even true because they have received updates. Did you even look at what was in the big 2023 QoL before you came here to complain about it? New stuff was in it.

 

21 minutes ago, Hungry French said:

DST add-ons - add new biomes, new bosses, new creatures, ocean, quests, rift, and all this is not in the form of a small separate world, but an addition for RoG world.

They aren't add-ons because you don't download them seperately. If a new player bought the game today all these things would be in there from the start because they are part of the base game. If you consider every update a "DLC" then DS has over 30 DLCs. Calling Shipwrecked and Hamlet "small" is a little ridiculous.

[Hungry French]

3 minutes ago, gamehun20 said:

the dlcs for hollow knight is soundtracks gods and nightmares is an update

Free contect pack = free dlc's