[Suggestion] Please Integrate Affinities into Gamma Circuits to Preserve WX's Playstyle(The Shadow Affinity Contradicts WX-78’s Core Concept)

[KINOTAKO]

Note: This isn't a critique based on personal preference. I'm stating my opinion based on the core character concept Klei originally established for WX.

I know this is similar to what I've said before, but please let me say this one last time before the official update drops.

To be frank, the Gamma circuits are currently unfinished.

Then the Affinities were announced, which had the potential to turn Gamma circuits into something amazing.

The Lunar Affinity didn't touch the Gamma circuits, but it realized a great idea as a natural extension of the chassis skills. I'm completely fine with Affinities implementing chassis-related skills that don't fit neatly into the circuit system.

However, the Shadow Affinity feels like it completely ignores WX's core concept.

The shadow material insertion system is, no matter how you look at it, just a watered-down version of the circuit system. Up until now, the fun of WX's playstyle has been about [crafting situational builds from various circuits within limited slots to gain diverse abilities]. We recognize this as their core concept.

Does the material insertion system encourage diverse builds? No, it doesn't. It strips away the build-crafting element entirely and just functions as a simple, powerful, linear upgrade buff. I want to emphasize that this contradicts the character's concept and foundational playstyle.

For WX, acquiring new abilities and changing playstyles as you progress through the game could already be handled entirely by the circuit system. All the current shadow skills could easily be substituted with circuits. You just need to turn the shadow items into circuits.

Of course, I know some people like the current Shadow Affinity. I'm not hating on the abilities themselves that you guys enjoy. That comes down to personal preference. I am strictly talking about the character's design concept.

To summarize: The current Shadow Affinity's material system is just a simplified circuit system. Leaving the actual circuit system unfinished while introducing this watered-down material system as a "new ability" completely ignores what makes WX unique.

Please, Klei. Even if it takes more time, I want you to integrate the Affinities as new circuits and finally complete the Gamma circuits. Please.

[doritosdamafia]

look, klei could have created a gamma that by scaning a broken statue, that cost 4 biodata 4 shadow petals and 2 nighmare fuel to make a 3 pin circuit that let we have the nighmare fuel effect, that with scaning a statue in the ruins to make a upgraded version of this circuit with 8 biodata 2 pure horror and 1 dread stone with 2 pins tha have the same effect of the shadow atrium, just to make us scan the ancient for a final upgrade that cost 10 biodata 1 possessed atrium for the effects of the possessed atrium plus bonus planal defence and damage and only have one pin? yes, but they are cutting corners here my friend

Edited Wednesday at 04:03 PM by doritosdamafia

[KINOTAKO]

I don't think they intentionally cut corners. I'm sure they did the best they could. They probably just ran out of time.

[Jarrec]

They didn't need to give us gamma section i think people only want the affinity to be a gamma circuit it's because people speculated that they would be gamma circuits 

[doritosdamafia]

10 minutes ago, Jarrec said:

They didn't need to give us gamma section i think people only want the affinity to be a gamma circuit it's because people speculated that they would be gamma circuits 

to me it's more because theres only 4, if theres six i would be ok

13 minutes ago, KINOTAKO said:

I don't think they intentionally cut corners. I'm sure they did the best they could. They probably just ran out of time.

i said that exactly for that, klei seeing the amount of time they have, decided that making the shadow affinity the way it is now would be more realistic

Edited Wednesday at 05:02 PM by doritosdamafia

[Sofy Happy]

1 hour ago, KINOTAKO said:

Please, Klei. Even if it takes more time, I want you to integrate the Affinities as new circuits and finally complete the Gamma circuits. Please.

No, no, no. Long before the alignment skills were released, I was strongly against them still using the circuit system.

If they kept the circuit design, it would be far too boring, and the chassis slot section is already overcrowded as it is.

The current design is great. With just a few more improvements to the Moon ally AI, this skill tree will be nearly perfect.

I am firmly against reverting back to the slot-based system.

Edited Wednesday at 05:05 PM by Sofy Happy

[doritosdamafia]

9 minutes ago, Sofy Happy said:

No, no, no. Long before the alignment skills were released, I was strongly against them still using the circuit system.

If they kept the circuit design, it would be far too boring, and the chassis slot section is already overcrowded as it is.

The current design is great. With just a few more improvements to the Moon ally AI, this skill tree will be nearly perfect.

I am firmly against reverting back to the slot-based system.

if they add planar damage and defence for the shadow affinity it will be great, because i find it kinda strange only the lunar side having it

[Sofy Happy]

11 minutes ago, doritosdamafia said:

if they add planar damage and defence for the shadow affinity it will be great, because i find it kinda strange only the lunar side having it

The Shadow Affinity’s ability to utilize mimic items has enormous potential and is extremely flexible, covering hundreds of different items in the game. Unfortunately, I’ve barely seen anyone on the forums realize how strong this mechanic truly is. Most players only mention items unlocked from the Ancient Pseudoscience Station.

There are plenty of more obscure items that no one uses, often simply because of their exorbitant crafting costs. However, this Shadow ability completely removes those drawbacks. I hope everyone can think more and explore which underrated, rarely used items are viable with mimicry.

[doritosdamafia]

5 minutes ago, Sofy Happy said:

The Shadow Affinity’s ability to utilize mimic items has enormous potential and is extremely flexible, covering hundreds of different items in the game. Unfortunately, I’ve barely seen anyone on the forums realize how strong this mechanic truly is. Most players only mention items unlocked from the Ancient Pseudoscience Station.

There are plenty of more obscure items that no one uses, often simply because of their exorbitant crafting costs. However, this Shadow ability completely removes those drawbacks. I hope everyone can think more and explore which underrated, rarely used items are viable with mimicry.

i think the reason for that is, the only way to store this items is though a atrium possessed chassis and well a lot of people forget that the shadow afinity affect them too

[KINOTAKO]

12時間前、ソフィー・ハッピーはこう言いました。

回路設計をそのままにしておくと、あまりにも退屈すぎるだろう

 

しかし、KleiがWXのために確立したオリジナルのキャラクターコンセプトについて文句を言うのはナンセンスだと思う。

Edited 21 hours ago by KINOTAKO
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[Sofy Happy]

This update isn’t all about circuits. Circuits are only one part of the rework, while the chassis system is the fresh, standout feature. Back then, I hoped Klei would add more original content to make WX truer to his character and more fun to play—and that’s exactly what they did.

They moved beyond pure circuit design and created something far more interesting. Circuits were never meant to be WX’s entire identity. If everything revolved only around circuits, we would never have gotten the drone series or the chassis mechanics.

Like you said, enjoying circuits is just your personal preference. In the same way, I personally don’t want the Affinity systems to be locked into the circuit framework either.

I can’t fully agree with your statement that

11 minutes ago, KINOTAKO said:

However, I think it's nonsense to complain about the original character concept that Klei established for WX.

 

The developers have never mentioned or confirmed any fixed "circuit-only core design" in this beta update. That so‑called core character concept Klei originally established for WX you keep bringing up—are you just using the design ideas from the WX rework four or five years ago as a shield for your argument?

[KINOTAKO]

Let me just say one thing: skill trees aren't meant to turn them into a completely new character. They should be built upon the character's core concept. If we can't use the character's foundation as a baseline, what else are we supposed to base the design on? The ideas would just devolve into pure chaos.

I have no intention of debating the fundamental philosophy of what a skill tree should be with you. Please just read what I actually wrote in my post ;-;

[Draggofroot]

i dont understand, even with the skill tree there, there is still the core concept of WX, you still can have multiple builds to play around with and such, the shadow affinity is just an upgrade to the base character. I say who cares? you can still build multiple different builds on top of the 25% dmg boost+other stuff

[Reddddd]

38 minutes ago, Draggofroot said:

i dont understand, even with the skill tree there, there is still the core concept of WX, you still can have multiple builds to play around with and such, the shadow affinity is just an upgrade to the base character. I say who cares? you can still build multiple different builds on top of the 25% dmg boost+other stuff

This is so "we already have X who cares if Y is not good or fitting of the character." If we just start slapping things like this shadow affinity it will just feel wrong, every character after this update will have an free pass to have random skills that doesnt synergize well with their concept (as long as its strong, accordingly to you)

[Draggofroot]

1 hour ago, Reddddd said:

 (as long as its strong, accordingly to you)

Ok sure to everything else but like what

[NotGabriel]

5 hours ago, Sofy Happy said:

No, no, no. Long before the alignment skills were released, I was strongly against them still using the circuit system.

If they kept the circuit design, it would be far too boring, and the chassis slot section is already overcrowded as it is.

The current design is great. With just a few more improvements to the Moon ally AI, this skill tree will be nearly perfect.

I am firmly against reverting back to the slot-based system.

I am quite pleased with the tree as is, but I do hope they improve the shadow side more before launch because at best it’s inferior to lunar and at worst it’s annoying to players. Toggling the auto grab somehow and maybe new effects using planar damage or planar defense as shadow is weirdly missing that when lunar does use planar defense