PLEASE undo the worst of the Alpha and Beta nerfs. I’m begging you.

[EsmeWatchesBird]

The worst offenders:

-Hardy: Bring it back to 150 health super hardy and 5-10% DR, so you can ACTUALLY be good at tanking if you specialize in it. If you really want, make the extra health tied to one of the skills so the lunar clones can’t use it

-Beanbooster: Make the shield regenerate in combat. Maybe just make it so it takes a bit longer after being hit to start ticking up: this would incentivise using it as a way to make up for mistakes in kiting rather than a 1-time max health boost.

-Super-Illumination: Make it so with 3 super illumination you have a better radius around you. It should be competitive with Optoelectronic at three, otherwise there’s no point in taking it, as its the more expensive of the two.

The orher one:

Processing: Was it really necessary to nerf the dapperness modifier? It wasn’t even a strict upside as it worked both ways! Processing circuits would be significantly more interesting with this as a more prominent feature.

Fix it klei. Let us actually specialize in these skills. Make the alpha tinkering perks actually worth the space they take up on the skilltree. I know you can, because all of this was in the game before.

Please.

I will add that the 35% DR would only be SLIGHTLY better than garlic spice already is. Nothing game breaking here. And if you only had 2 super hardy you’d match wigfrid’s innate DR which is reasonable for devoting half your circuit board to it

also none of this would affect lunar chassis at all so they aren’t a consideration here.

[CosmicPotato97]

Given that we're near the release date with no explicit word (to my knowledge) on any of the debate surrounding the circuit buffs/nerfs, I just want to leave a reply to help it show that this isn't a particularly niche take. I normally stay out of discussion like this but to me the above points are very reasonabe; I cannot think of a good reason why such buffs should not be implemented.

I do fully agree with the idea that DST power scaling has gone a bit wack, but unless Klei has plans to put some heavy nerfs to the stronger characters (which is its own topic but I both disagree and doubt Klei would do that) then the power-scaling ship has already sailed. Why not let WX-78 join the party? From my reading, lots of the more common suggestions (e.g. above) are less about raw power and more of fine-tuning power scale to make the player's decisions feel impactful. For new players or old players, late game or early game, after seeing the full skill tree now I really don't see who benefits from WX-78 being limited in their specialisations. The perks do come with 2-3 costs (circuit materials, circuit opportunity cost, and for the extra effects there is also skill point opportunity cost) so it's not like WX-78 is getting free and unengaging power boosts. Rather the opposite, at least to me (and to my reading, many others) the player does not get rewarded enough for engaging with game systems and trying to be thoughtful with their circuit and skillpoint builds.

TL;DR I agree but wanted to voice it more than just liking 

[BlueBananaKing]

6 minutes ago, CosmicPotato97 said:

TL;DR I agree but wanted to voice it more than just liking 

i wanted to just like instead of replying, but apparently ive hit my max reactions for today, so consider this a like!

[Kvetevk]

3 minutes ago, BlueBananaKing said:

i wanted to just like instead of replying, but apparently ive hit my max reactions for today, so consider this a like!

There is a limit?

[BlueBananaKing]

Just now, Kvetevk said:

There is a limit?

apparently, though i assume its only for new accounts. 

[Kvetevk]

Also I agree with most buffs, except bringing Hardy stats to 150 and 50. And I would rather have the Hardy circuits make your armor durability last longer than having defense that is counted after the armor. Without armor, the buff is good but with armor, it doesnt do that much.

[WendyHater9000]

Nah it’s balanced rn, no need to nerf and buff imo 

[Schneid_101]

1 hour ago, WendyHater9000 said:

Nah it’s balanced rn, no need to nerf and buff imo 

I actually agree with this

[Fishgirl]

1 hour ago, WendyHater9000 said:

Nah it’s balanced rn, no need to nerf and buff imo 

but are you having fun? do you see yourself desiring the damage reduction or dapperness in the current state it's in? its never about being good or anything, but to make circuits a bigger decision 

[doritosdamafia]

2 hours ago, WendyHater9000 said:

Nah it’s balanced rn, no need to nerf and buff imo 

even to this day i don't see the "justification" klei said we wuld have for this nerf

[Radicaljoe]

Just now, doritosdamafia said:

even to this day i don't see the "justification" klei said we wuld have for this nerf

I wonder what klei saw when they super nerfed everything a couple weeks ago. Not to be rude, but these affinities are NOT worth all that stuff that happened to WX. 
I remember they said something like "nerfing WX on what they can potentially be by the end of the tree" and I wonder if they thought the affinities were that good, or if they toned down the affinities after undoing the nerfs to the circuits.

[xxGreenStarver]

I could not agree with this post more, especially the health circuits.

I'm spending all of my circuit board on health and I don't even get enough health to be confident I can tank a few attacks from some of the late game bosses after my armor breaks? It's not like I'm not making a tradeoff, I recognize that more sanity would be useful for me, however I put my circuits into health because I want to be really tanky. In fact in the current state I hadn't even considered putting points into alpha tinkering when I didn't know where to spend them.

High numbers are fun sometimes.

[Jakepeng99]

1 hour ago, Fishgirl said:

but are you having fun? do you see yourself desiring the damage reduction or dapperness in the current state it's in? its never about being good or anything, but to make circuits a bigger decision 

Yes we are having fun

More op does not equal more fun.

[doritosdamafia]

24 minutes ago, Radicaljoe said:

I wonder what klei saw when they super nerfed everything a couple weeks ago. Not to be rude, but these affinities are NOT worth all that stuff that happened to WX. 
I remember they said something like "nerfing WX on what they can potentially be by the end of the tree" and I wonder if they thought the affinities were that good, or if they toned down the affinities after undoing the nerfs to the circuits.

klei thought that lunar are too strong probably, with is funny because the living chassis don't even use the upgrade skills, so a 550 hp clone that do half the damage without the nerfs vs a clockwork, the clockwork will still be better

[lacio15]

My issue is that, at the very least, the Life Circuit isn't worth the skill tree points. People on the forums love to say that stacking the same circuit is OP, so let’s look at the math: if I have 3 large Life Circuits and one small one, that’s a 17% damage reduction. This means for every 100 damage I’d take, I take 83. Okay, fine.

But what if I have wooden armor that protects for 80%? That brings it down to 20 damage. If you add the circuit and armor, I take 16.6 damage. So, I spent all my slots and skill points for a measly 3.4 damage absorption? Does that sound good to you?

I’m not saying the skill tree is trash, but looking at the Alpha circuits, the Life Circuit really doesn't seem to pay off.

Edited Wednesday at 01:55 PM by lacio15

[RayanLopes]

2 hours ago, Fishgirl said:

but are you having fun? do you see yourself desiring the damage reduction or dapperness in the current state it's in?

yes!

[Radicaljoe]

2 hours ago, Fishgirl said:

but are you having fun?

As unfortunate as it is, fun is subjective and some people may genuinely find joy in watching paint dry.

But fun aside, I don't think it's very well structured to give the the character that was made for well roundedness OR going for full specialization, less ability and reason to seek out choosing specialization.

[BalkanCockroach]

I don't want Wx to get nerfed but highkey with the affinities now added (and buffed in the latest patch) it's the strongest character in the game right now. 

[EsmeWatchesBird]

7 minutes ago, BalkanCockroach said:

the strongest character in the game right now. 

Idk if you could call 2.5x damage output for 8-10x setup and maintenance costs “the strongest”. Like. Sure it can be powerful but it is a biiiig stretch to call that the strongest. Not to mention. The only thing any of the requests here would do to change that is let clones get to 600 hp (which is still less than clockworks, which are easier to accumulate for no upkeep)

[Soul7k]

6 hours ago, EsmeWatchesBird said:

-Super-Illumination: Make it so with 3 super illumination you have a better radius around you. It should be competitive with Optoelectronic at three, otherwise there’s no point in taking it, as its the more expensive of the two.

saves me my eyes and a skill point to not make them hurt as much

30 minutes ago, lacio15 said:

My issue is that, at the very least, the Life Circuit isn't worth the skill tree points. People on the forums love to say that stacking the same circuit is OP, so let’s look at the math: if I have 3 large Life Circuits and one small one, that’s a 17% damage reduction. This means for every 100 damage I’d take, I take 83. Okay, fine.

But what if I have wooden armor that protects for 80%? That brings it down to 20 damage. If you add the circuit and armor, I take 16.6 damage. So, I spent all my slots and skill points for a measly 3.4 damage absorption? Does that sound good to you?

I’m not saying the skill tree is trash, but looking at the Alpha circuits, the Life Circuit really doesn't seem to pay off.

feels worse when you decide to have 3 different types of circuits in

5 hours ago, Kvetevk said:

Also I agree with most buffs, except bringing Hardy stats to 150 and 50. And I would rather have the Hardy circuits make your armor durability last longer than having defense that is counted after the armor. Without armor, the buff is good but with armor, it doesnt do that much.

at this point I would take anything over what we have now and this idea sounds alright

1 hour ago, doritosdamafia said:

klei thought that lunar are too strong probably, with is funny because the living chassis don't even use the upgrade skills, so a 550 hp clone that do half the damage without the nerfs vs a clockwork, the clockwork will still be better

to be fair it is a roundabout way of increasing WX's damage to 2.5x. Can't have it too strong, though it could be more convenient i guess and somehow work with remote transfer? they made it a lot easier with the current patch.

[EsmeWatchesBird]

2 minutes ago, Soul7k said:

to be fair it is a roundabout way of increasing WX's damage to 2.5x. Can't have it too strong, though it could be more convenient i guess and somehow work with remote transfer? they made it a lot easier with the current patch.

It’d be balanced enough with the costs of weapons, armor and healing… idk why they need constant upkeep in hunger and sanity too

[Fishgirl]

1 hour ago, lacio15 said:

My issue is that, at the very least, the Life Circuit isn't worth the skill tree points. People on the forums love to say that stacking the same circuit is OP, so let’s look at the math: if I have 3 large Life Circuits and one small one, that’s a 17% damage reduction. This means for every 100 damage I’d take, I take 83. Okay, fine.

But what if I have wooden armor that protects for 80%? That brings it down to 20 damage. If you add the circuit and armor, I take 16.6 damage. So, I spent all my slots and skill points for a measly 3.4 damage absorption? Does that sound good to you?

I’m not saying the skill tree is trash, but looking at the Alpha circuits, the Life Circuit really doesn't seem to pay off.

this is exactly what im sayinggg. the damage reduction is so pitiful that im genuinely convinced that some of yall are just being a devil's advocate or need to know they're worth more. this also applies with sanity's dapperness

[doritosdamafia]

2 minutes ago, Fishgirl said:

this is exactly what im sayinggg. the damage reduction is so pitiful that im genuinely convinced that some of yall are just being a devil's advocate or need to know they're worth more. this also applies with sanity's dapperness

these people must think it is before the armor to say it's strong

[Fishgirl]

1 hour ago, RayanLopes said:

yes!

 

2 hours ago, Jakepeng99 said:

Yes we are having fun

More op does not equal more fun.

Alternative question for you both, because i forgot how low standards are here/how much we like disagreeing to disagree.

Do you realize the impact the damage reduction has, to the point that it's not worth taking alpha? 17.5 dr for all circuits, genuinely? This isn't about "op" which is such a nothing term anymore because you people throw it around like dirt, it's about actual impact of the skills and circuits you select!!!! i can't tell if im genuinely going insane or everyone else is in some delusion where these numbers are fine!

 

It's not even like dapperness being rebuffed is a pure upgrade. it also increases *negative* sanity, like dark swords and dreadstone. Does that not sound awesome as hell?? to have choices?? that also have downsides???? but also do something more than 2 less damage???

1 minute ago, doritosdamafia said:

these people must think it is before the armor to say it's strong

i don't think they're Playing The Game. At all.

[BalkanCockroach]

41 minutes ago, EsmeWatchesBird said:

Idk if you could call 2.5x damage output for 8-10x setup and maintenance costs “the strongest”. Like. Sure it can be powerful but it is a biiiig stretch to call that the strongest. Not to mention. The only thing any of the requests here would do to change that is let clones get to 600 hp (which is still less than clockworks, which are easier to accumulate for no upkeep)

The game is not just about damage output. Wx has insane utility and convenience. Clones already take decreased damage and they are very tanky. You can have night vis, +0.25 speed, sanity and health boost + regen with a shield on top, whatever gamma circuit you like, and both the affinities are really good. If you don't want to bother setting up posessed chassis then pick shadow and after you plug a shadow atrium to top all this off you get a budget lazy explorer + Wigfrids damage boost +0.25.

Not to mention you can switch to other circuits to your leisure now so your desired task can become even easier.

AND gears are a super food. They still haven't removed geargulping so abuse it freely. For the shadow pieces I don't even bother making healing food.