Add planar damage to burning frenzy

[Terser]

Burning frenzy normally gives 25% dmg boost against burning targets, but this boost doesn't apply to planar, so the boost becomes lower if using a planar weapon (shadow reaper: 11%, brightshade sword 13%, lunar/shadow fire 10%, sword + jewelled enlightened crown: 8%)

The spell is already a bit underwhelming due to not working on non burnable targets and needing you to reapply it every minute, so, in my opinion, it would be nice if it would at least work to full power on rift weapons

I suggest to either make the boost affect planar dmg like how alignment boosts do, or give +10 planar damage to it when using a weapon that already has planar damage, like how Wolfgang's planar skills work (that would bring it to reaper: 23%, sword: 26%, lunar fire: 30%, shadow fire: 16%, sword + jewelled crown: 16%). This is against targets without planar entity protection however, against which the boost would be even lower due to effectively diminishing returns, so it may be appropriate to make it +15 planar damage instead of +10.

Edited September 3, 2025 by Terser

[Jakepeng99]

Tbh things like that is why I begin to realise I don’t like Planar damage as an idea anymore.

[kroban]

I agree and to add to this, I think Woodie's Moose also needs an extra in the planar damage. His normal hit does like 40~ damage against planar entities on top of his slower attack speed. He has that "smash" 3rd hit which I think does something like 130 planar damage, but its still way less DPS than what other characters are doing post-rift.

Considering the drawbacks he has while on form, and that he can't use post-rift weapons during a fight like Gloomerang(something that has become pretty popular now), he should do atleast a bit more damage.

Edited September 4, 2025 by kroban

[Waywarbler]

1 hour ago, kroban said:

I agree and to add to this, I think Woodie's Moose also needs an extra in the planar damage. His normal hit does like 40~ damage against planar entities on top of his slower attack speed. He has that "smash" 3rd hit which I think does something like 130 planar damage, but its still way less DPS than what other characters are doing post-rift.

IIRC, he does 136 damage on the third hit? and then, ONLY against planar entities, it does an additional 80 planar damage on top of that. It'd be nice if the first two punches got a similar thing, like +20 added planar damage against planar enemies.

[Swiyss]

They should nerf the planar damage on the spells and buff burning frenzy + burning bernie.

[Hungry French]

23 hours ago, Terser said:

«Пылающее неистовство» обычно увеличивает урон по горящим целям на 25 %, но это усиление не распространяется на планарные цели, поэтому при использовании планарного оружия усиление становится меньше (Жнец теней: 11 %, меч Яркотени: 13 %, лунный/теневой огонь: 10 %, меч + украшенная драгоценными камнями просветлённая корона: 8 %)

Заклинание уже не так впечатляет из-за того, что оно не действует на несгораемые цели и его нужно применять заново каждую минуту. Поэтому, на мой взгляд, было бы неплохо, если бы оно хотя бы на полную мощность действовало на оружие разлома

Я предлагаю либо сделать так, чтобы усиление влияло на урон по планам, как это делают усиления выравнивания, или давать +10 к урону по планам при использовании оружия, которое уже наносит урон по планам, как это работает с умениями Вольфганга, связанными с планами (тогда урон будет таким: жнец — 23 %, меч — 26 %, лунный огонь — 30 %, теневой огонь — 16 %, меч + драгоценная корона — 16 %). Однако это касается целей без защиты от планарных сущностей, против которых усиление будет ещё меньше из-за эффекта убывающей отдачи, поэтому, возможно, стоит сделать его +15 к урону от планарных сущностей вместо +10.

And why should this work for Willow's fire? It's just fire. Not shadow or moonlight. Does Willow really need this enhancement?

[WereBruhver]

On 9/3/2025 at 9:32 AM, Terser said:

I suggest to either make the boost affect planar dmg like how alignment boosts do, or give +10 planar damage to it when using a weapon that already has planar damage, like how Wolfgang's planar skills work (that would bring it to reaper: 23%, sword: 26%, lunar fire: 30%, shadow fire: 16%, sword + jewelled crown: 16%). This is against targets without planar entity protection however, against which the boost would be even lower due to effectively diminishing returns, so it may be appropriate to make it +15 planar damage instead of +10.

This could lead to funny shenanigans with shadow fire + enlightened  crown + celestial jewel procing this +15 planar 10 times for 150 extra damage per shadow fire cast but it is so late into the game It is okay. I would still prefer it  working how alignment boosts does tho,  since it is easier to implement and it would benefit both shadow fire and lunar fire equally.

 

21 hours ago, kroban said:

I agree and to add to this, I think Woodie's Moose also needs an extra in the planar damage. His normal hit does like 40~ damage against planar entities on top of his slower attack speed. 

37,5 against the same alignment and 40 against the opposite. Spear dps to pre rift content is higher than Weremoose normal punches dps  against planar enemies  (normal punches: 37,5÷0,533 = 70,3 dps | spear: 34/0,466 = 72,9 dps). Which is extremely punishing since most of his hits are normal punches and his combos resets to normal punches before finishing a lot of the time.

 

19 hours ago, Waywarbler said:

IIRC, he does 136 damage on the third hit? and then, ONLY against planar entities, it does an additional 80 planar damage on top of that. It'd be nice if the first two punches got a similar thing, like +20 added planar damage against planar enemies.

I think this +20 planar that works only against planar enemies would be a good solution, it would bump his normal punches back from 37,5 to 57,5 when hitting planar enemies which is close enough to his 59,5 normal punches to non plarnar enemies.

Edited September 4, 2025 by WereBruhver

[Terser]

1 hour ago, WereBruhver said:

This could lead to funny shenanigans with shadow fire + enlightened  crown + celestial jewel procing this +15 planar 10 times for 150 extra damage per shadow fire cast but it is so late into the game It is okay

from what i remember enlightened crown already doesn't get boosted by burning frenzy at all, both with and without jewels, so i assume the planar boost wouldn't apply to enlightened crown as well

[WereBruhver]

3 hours ago, Terser said:

from what i remember enlightened crown already doesn't get boosted by burning frenzy at all, both with and without jewels, so i assume the planar boost wouldn't apply to enlightened crown as well

I tested it and you are right, althought Shadow fire makes the crown proc 5 times, Burning frenzy only increases Shadow fire damage and not the crown's gestalts damage. In the case of Burning frenzy giving on hit planar damage, it would only proc x5 per Shadow fire cast but not proc from the crown's gestalts which I think would make +15 planar damage a reasonable value for Burning frenzy to give Willow.