Some Concepts for Webber’s Skill Tree

[gfdt1223]

 

The next update will likely include Webber’s skill tree, so I’ve tried designing one for him. Webber is in desperate need of a skill tree to improve his poor experience in multiplayer servers.  

Basic Changes:

1. Webber’s Spider Den decorations only drop when spiders become aggressive toward players.  

 

2. Spiders hired by Webber will remain friendly and stay in place when Webber logs off (unless attacked).  

 

Spider Friends Branch

 

Tier 1 Spider Management

Webber can use a whistle to command spiders within a certain range to enter a defensive state (they will not retaliate or eat).  

 

Tier 2 Spider Management

Webber can use a whistle to command spiders within a certain range to stop or resume following (without losing their hired status).  

 

Tier 3 Spider Management 

Webber Can use a whistle to command spiders within a certain range to attack a specified target or defend a specified target (can be understood as transferring ownership).  

 

Spider Skills Branch (Only affects hired spiders) 

 

Tier 1 Warrior Spider

Normal spiders upgrade into Warrior Spiders after following Webber for 20 minutes.  

 

Tier 2 Warrior Spider

Warrior Spiders will attempt to distance themselves after a pounce attack before pouncing again.  

 

Tier 1 Cave Spider

Cave Spiders move 50% faster on webbing.  

 

Tier 2 Cave Spider

Cave Spider attacks slow targets (equivalent to speed on Spider Queen webbing).  

 

Tier 1 Spitter Spider

Spitter Spiders will try to maintain distance from their target after attacking.  

 

Tier 2 Spitter Spider

The more spiders near a Spitter Spider, the higher its ranged attack frequency.  

 

Tier 1 Shattered Spider 

Shattered Spiders’ attack range is increased by 50%.  

 

Tier 2 Shattered Spider 

Targets hit by Shattered Spiders take 20% additional damage.  

 

Tier 1 Water Strider

Water Striders can catch fish and bring them to Webber while on water (including boats).  

 

Tier 2 Water Strider

Water Striders can retrieve items dropped by Webber if he falls into water.  

Tier 1 Nurse Spider

Nurse Spiders heal more frequently.  

 

Tier 2 Nurse Spider

Nurse Spiders can grant one spider immunity to a fatal hit (15-second cooldown).  

 

Tier 1 Spider Queen  

Can add 10 Silk to a Tier 3 Spider Den to turn it into a Spider Queen.  

 

Tier 2 Spider Queen

When Webber blows the Spider Rally Whistle, the Spider Queen can produce combat-ready spiders.  

 

Spider Boy Branch 

Spider Appetite

Eating meat-based dishes restores 10 Sanity.  

 

Web Controller

Allies near Webber are no longer slowed by spider webs.  

 

Spider Whiskers  

Webber’s beard growth increases his maximum Sanity.  

 

Nocturnal Creature  

Can craft Night Vision Hormones (3-day freshness) using 10 Spider Glands and 30 Health. Carrying it grants night vision but drains 50 Sanity (can be used by teammates).  

 

Shadow Affinity Branch

When spiders die, their corpses remain temporarily. Webber can use Nightmare Fuel or Pure Horror to revive spiders in range. Revived Shadow Spiders have 200 HP, deal 30 damage (30 planar damage if revived with Pure Horror), lose 1 HP per second, teleport when attacking or taking damage, and have a 50% chance to leave a corpse upon death.  

 

Lunar Affinity Branch

Can feed Pure Brilliance to any spider to transform it into a Radiant Spider. Radiant Spiders start with 100 HP and 10 planar damage, and can automatically fuse with other Radiant Spiders, merging their HP and damage. Their attacks (or healing) scale based on the proportion of Warrior, Nurse, Spitter, and Shattered Spiders fused. Upon death, each fused spider has a 50% chance to drop Pure Brilliance.  

hope these can be taken in by Klei

[Sofy Happy]

  Your skill tree doesn't address Webber's main issues. Webber's long-standing problems have always been:

• Server lag caused by spiders
• Spiders remaining as hostile NPCs after server crashes/rollbacks, attacking teammates, stealing food, and crowding players
• Being disliked in multiplayer, with many servers outright banning Webber

  In contrast, Wurt (another summoner character) is less problematic in multiplayer because:

• Merm King exists to limit army size (only 20-30 merms needed)
• Merms become friendly and don't cause post-crash issues

  Webber needs:

1. Smarter, elite-focused spiders (quality over quantity)
2. Optimized spider code (they're server-intensive by default)

 

 

[Dr.Webber]

Here’s my unfinished Weber skill tree. I’m trying to come up with something to replace the second chunk of each  alignment so let me know if there’s anything you want to add or change.:

skill tree:
 

(befriended nurse spider to unlock)
    •    Unbreakable friendship: Make decorated dens  not break when attacked and spiders in the  Bedazzled range only attack attackers and nurses spawn from tier 3 + decorated dens ground webs no longer reduce, when not befriended bedazzled spiders will stay within the range of the decorated den



    •    Oral obliging : cause spiders to “hammer” by hitting the structure you want to be hammered once in case of a miss click use webby whistle to cancel demolition, they eat yucuse snot now when you’re stuck, can rummage through hound mounds(blue and red gems)/burrows (stolen items as well as rock, Flint, nighter, and gold)/hollow stump (stolen items)/splumonkey pod (stolen items)/marotter den(stolen items)/tidy hidy holes(for collected dust) items gained by rummaging will temporarily be wet due to saliva you can trigger the spiders too start rummaging by blowing the whistle near the thing you want them to rummage through rummaging will be a timed interaction similar to picking up very bush or going through a scrap pile 
   


    •    Silk harvester: razors can be used to remove webbing from tiles dropping two silk

    •    Rapid Growth: Webber can upgrade dens with 4 silk instead of 5 silk
 
 


    •    Regeneration sensitization:increase stats from nurse spiders for Webber(15 hp)

    •    Nocturnally adept: partial night vision  (sense spiders walk around at night) only silhouettes  not enough to not be attacked by Charlie but enough to  see where your going, reduced sanity lose from dusk or night              60-80% during dawn and 40-60% during night.


    •    Deep den sleeper:Stats for sleeping in dens to 2 health and 3 health per second 

    •    No picky eater: Webber has the ability to eat pig skin, bunny puffs, or any non human edible meats that pigs and spiders eat for 50-60 hunger

 


    •    Den Relocation: Tier 1 dens can be picked up by Webber and relocated (affects Decorated Dens + can remove and relocate the stickers)(pulled from @JJ0264)

    •    Unnatural brood: You are now able to craft the itsy bitsy nest reusing the baby spiders from the forge and they fill up a Polar Bearger Bin like item called the itsy bitsy nest and they would act as distractions somewhat like the parasitic shading  but the victim wouldn’t be immune to damage you decide if,when,and how many you takeout at a time also depending on what beard skin you have on will determine what they look like  they would look like tiny versions of what spiders from a den that has a queen that looks like that beards respective Webber skin as well as the egg sack having the same color,you get 6 slots with 12-20 second cool down until you can spawn the next one and they would do 9 damage(18 if you feed them electric milk),have 7 hp, upon death one will respond every 90 seconds 
(You need this to craft the 3 care crafts and after the first 4 uses you need to replace the den decorating set for five more uses each time you run out)
1 spider egg, 1 den decorating set,24 health

Concept examples:

 








(like this except they smile like befriended spiders)











    •    Carecrafts :  (unnatural brood required, use the itsy-bitsy den as a portable crafting station)

Friendship bracelets: 2 bone shard, six beard hair, and one butterfly used in conjunction with the homemade to revive spiders you bind a spider to a friendship bracelet similar to a beefalo to a Beefalo Bell except you don’t give it a name the next time it dies it drops the friendship bracelet pain on how you wanna go with us at a lower durability, maybe have to be repairable with bone  and if you wanna automate a bit what if it works like  cursed trinkets except instead of being drawn to players it’s drawn to the nearest homemade den and if there’s an open slot, it takes it

?:

homemade den: if you place a cookie in the homemade den it will turn 2 spiders into that type, every time the den has a spider added it lose 1% durability, you can find out how much durability there is by inspecting, and you can repair it using silk but maybe by 2-5%. it has 12 spiders with the inventory of a scaled chest but for spiders only, it’ll take 90 seconds for each spider to respawn it (and how it will respawn a spider after the 90 seconds is the lightning conductor purple gem combination will cause lightning to strike around it the respawned to spider crawl out of the ground like rabbit king as a reference to how you unlock Webber in solo Don’t Starve)
it will spawn that Webbing Wickerbottom spawns with Overcoming Arachnophobia around it, you could also call the spiders out of the den by interacting with it
And it can be broken using a hammer
(craft the homemade den with a purple gem, a lightning conductor, and 2 sticks )



 

    •    Silkcrafts:
Web net: eight silk, a certain number of scrap ,and one electric milk it’s like a less powerful shadow prison that does damage over the time depending on how big the creature is caught in it they will stay trapped for 5 to 10 minutes with a 30 second cooldown electric unnatural energy damages them overtime
?:
Silk spindle:@blacknight7890 came up with an idea I re named it and changed its look but other then that it’s all there’s Learn to craft a 'Silk spindle', [like a giant spindle with spider hair and  a finial on it (with white string when silk is on it)] a structure that can be placed near decorated spider dens. Spiders will spin webs onto it over time, can be harvested for silk." [passive silk farming]

finial looks like this:



    •    Garden spider :farm like Webber does in the gorge and learn more from the gardeneer hat


(Icon borrowed from @BiddoBams’ Warly skill tree)
    •    Spider Goatherder: learn to milk volt goats with empty bottles, volt goats won’t be disturbed by Webber anymore and calm charged volt goats by feeding them any number of Wobsters, bananas,meat,Burch nuts, pomegranates,eggs, Asparagus, pumpkin seeds (doing this while not charged will make them follow you for a short period time to allow for easier relocation)

    •    Silk stitch: You can now repair things with silk like Winona’s trusty tape

    •    acidophilic arachnid: when in acid rain Webber gets: 

Attack Damage    Physical DamageTaken    Move Speed
+5%    -2.5%    +1.5%

    •    Queen decorator: you can now decorate spider queen that will give her all the same effects of a decorated den(if you have unbreakable friendship, decorations won’t fall off when hit and will only attack attackers), when fighting nearby, spider queen will send over befriended nurse spiders to your aid

    •    Animalistic arachnid: Webber has the same all fours running ability as Wilbur and wonkey, when you fight bare handed you use your claws doing double the normal amount of damage

    •     In the spirit of friendship: When dying with Webber will drop 2 spider glands, Webber can give players the shoebox and they could only use it for its calling off aggressive spider function

    •    Garden spiders:
(create three new types of switcher doodles with corresponding new spiders)
Flame touched spiders:  has built in scale mail as well as can cook
Switcherdoodle: 2 monster meat, 2 silk, 2 fire nettle fronds

Concept art by @chenxx



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    •    social hunting:  befriended spiders will no longer check items to see if they can eat them so now they won’t eat anything unless you feed them

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 Alignments:
 
     

shadow spider care:
 
The Queen will reward your loyalty with  the recipe to help your spider friends evade dangers

 2 monster meat, 3 silk, and 4 dark pedals
The shadow spider is a spider that will teleport like shadow creatures after attacking. They also have faster walking and attack speed then normal spiders, have 450 health, and deal 30 damage.

 
You can power spiders by using a new item called _____
After biting a mob That mob will receive 25 planar and normal damage for the next four minutes with mobs of the opposing alignment receiving an extra 10 planar damage per minute and the spider will lose they’re power until next time you power the spiders

 


Lunar spider care: 
 

The cryptic founder will reward your curiosity, with  the recipe to help your spider friends blitz dangers

 2 monster meat, 3 silk, and 4 lune tree blossoms 
The lunar spider is a spider that will move like greater gestalts when attacking (Wigfrid’s elding spear ability, but with a larger range). They also have faster walking and attack speed then normal spiders, have 450 health, and deal 30 damage.

You can power spiders by using a new item called _____
After biting a mob That mob will receive 25 planar and normal damage for the next four minutes with mobs of the opposing alignment receiving an extra 10 planar damage per minute and the spider will lose they’re power until next time you power the spiders

 

 

Edited June 22, 2025 by Dr.Webber

[Draggofroot]

19 hours ago, Sofy Happy said:

  Your skill tree doesn't address Webber's main issues. Webber's long-standing problems have always been:

• Server lag caused by spiders

Lagspike skill: optimize game's performance

or alternatively

lagspike skill: double everyone's ping time and bosses start attacking faster