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I feel like allot of his skills are at a pretty high investment point to get them really worth it. I know the naughty nice mechanic plays a heavy part in the design, but if you play neutral it's kind of average. I think the build you choose is mostly determined by what the group consists of. Maybe if more of the skills were a little handier to dip into with one of two insight, or if some of the nice skills were viable outside of a group of Wanda's or solo. 

I don't think there's anything to be worried about yet. They haven't said anything new about the skill trees for wendy and wortox yet, and they haven't indicated that the beta is close to ending either. I have no doubt that they're seeing posts like this and considering changes to the wortox tree, so let's keep up with the feedback for wortox

24 minutes ago, aidankocherhans said:

I don't think making more posts just for the sake of it will help anything, the devs have already seen the previous posts on this topic and it's up to them whether they make those changes

the problem is that nearly all the issues with his skill tree have more or less been discussed during this 2 month waiting time.

1 hour ago, YouKnowWho142 said:

I don't think there's anything to be worried about yet. They haven't said anything new about the skill trees for wendy and wortox yet, and they haven't indicated that the beta is close to ending either. I have no doubt that they're seeing posts like this and considering changes to the wortox tree, so let's keep up with the feedback for wortox

Actually..

16 hours ago, JoeW said:

That being said - I have the update announcement coming out tomorrow and roadmap plans have been discussed and finalized and changed and finalized and then discussed and finalized again - so it should be out sometime around when the update drops. 

As always - as soon as we know and we're willing to commit to a plan we announce it. 

 

https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/164296-klei-has-left-us-in-the-dark-for-months-now/?do=findComment&comment=1800076

3 hours ago, YouKnowWho142 said:

I don't think there's anything to be worried about yet. They haven't said anything new about the skill trees for wendy and wortox yet, and they haven't indicated that the beta is close to ending either. I have no doubt that they're seeing posts like this and considering changes to the wortox tree, so let's keep up with the feedback for wortox

womp womp

but also
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so un-womp-womp

1 hour ago, Echsrick said:

i will start my reign of despair if wortox skill tree is made....not good in the finales

That's a pretty good point, a little late to fix things at that point. Guess we'll move to the suggestions page if it comes out rough.

Kind of, he said that if the chances aren't ready on time they would come in a hotfix a little bit later. If the changes are bad, it's too late to fix it in the beta so the suggestions would be the more appropriate place I think.

Hoping it's good though. I'll admit, so far I've been a fan of most of the changes so far. Originally, I didn't love the left side neutral because of how easy souls are to grab. After some time with it, I can see it being handy on some speedruns, so I'm happy enough just saying it's not for me. Still good though. I'm going to stay optimistic about the changes until we get our hands on them. 

28 minutes ago, Hollow soul 3 said:

Originally, I didn't love the left side neutral because of how easy souls are to grab. After some time with it, I can see it being handy on some speedruns, so I'm happy enough just saying it's not for me. Still good though. I'm going to stay optimistic about the changes until we get our hands on them. 

Yeah if something is not my thing, but seems to have a good niche use, that's fine.

Pastorale (the top left side neutral) seems good for speedruns, just not really normal play. There's room for it in heavy Naughty builds, but in these Naughty builds you can also get souls really fast.

I tested builds with Pastorale a lot, but eventually came to the conclusion that for me, the 2 points are spent better elsewhere in any build I could think of. I at first thought it was good for sailing, but I don't think even that is worth it versus getting near a shore, then teleporting back to your pile of spider nests or beehives to restock.

2 points for what amounts to a 0.75 souls per minute regen (6 souls every free toot, which is on an 8 minute timer).

If you only go for the free toots, it's pretty slow. The best way I found to use it was to full blast it for the teleporting. Just make sure to save one use on it, that way you still have access to the free toot whenever and you can repair it. It's a pretty good tool for more free teleports 

1 hour ago, Hollow soul 3 said:

If you only go for the free toots, it's pretty slow. The best way I found to use it was to full blast it for the teleporting. Just make sure to save one use on it, that way you still have access to the free toot whenever and you can repair it. It's a pretty good tool for more free teleports 

In that case you can think about it as 1 green gem = 216 souls or so, plus the very slow soul regen.

Worth it? Maybe. It becomes less worth it the faster you can get souls, and also less worth it as you get jars.

The longer a game goes on the less valuable it is. Also vastly less worth it if your world has the killer bee biome.

So yeah speedruns are the main niche. Or I guess normal games that starting with rift speedruns, and then you use the character changer to respec out of it, later.

Wortox skill tree is OK considering that soul hop is unique and enjoyable mechanic but I just hate that wortox runs solely rely on killer bees, which this situation touches to the core problem of soul hop mechanic. It is good and includes some skill yet you need specific entities (killer bees) to constantly use that ability. Pan flute is a good point to solve this issue but in order to use it you need to sacrifice good amount of skill points which you need all of them in order to fulfill the solo dps kit.

40 minutes ago, Navras said:

Wortox skill tree is OK considering that soul hop is unique ...

Eh, kind of. It's the best jump on PC because of the control, but Wendy, wigfred, and wobby have the short hop as well. Seems like a popular ability to throw in the skill trees, we'll probably see it again on someone else too.

26 minutes ago, Echsrick said:

i hope that change they talk about is NOT just bugnet knapsack....ugh....that would be such a disappointment 

That would suck. It's kind of weird that we can get rough details on wendy and Walter, but every time we hear about Wortox it's "his team is doing something, maybe. You'll see when it's out." is anyone communicating with Jessie? Kind of feels like his team wasn't getting the resources it needed.

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