[Game Update] - 655178

[YouKnowWho142]

I didn’t really see a lot of people complaining when Walter didn’t receive any changes for a whole month, only for him to have the skill tree he has now.

be patient. If they’re not updating the other characters it seems like they’re still working on them, I’m sure part of what hurt Wendy’s skill tree progress to a lot of people was how frequently it received attention and updates, and I’m sure if Wendy still hasn’t gotten an update in a while it’s because they’re working on improving her

im sure they listened about the wortox stuff too, we just need to wait

[AliceShiki]

21 minutes ago, YouKnowWho142 said:

I didn’t really see a lot of people complaining when Walter didn’t receive any changes for a whole month, only for him to have the skill tree he has now.

be patient. If they’re not updating the other characters it seems like they’re still working on them, I’m sure part of what hurt Wendy’s skill tree progress to a lot of people was how frequently it received attention and updates, and I’m sure if Wendy still hasn’t gotten an update in a while it’s because they’re working on improving her

im sure they listened about the wortox stuff too, we just need to wait

They have already said they're happy with where Wortox is. Same thing for Wendy.

Walter they had said multiple times over that they were still working on all the Woby stuff. That's why people were waiting, because they all knew it was coming.

[NotGabriel]

14 hours ago, Yifei_ said:

Thanks for the update. May I ask when the beta test is expected to end and when the skill tree will be updated to the official server?

PLEASE I’ve been holding off on coming back to the game until the Walter Tree is out bc I don’t wanna start a world I don’t plan to commit to

[_mylilsunshine_]

39 minutes ago, YouKnowWho142 said:

I didn’t really see a lot of people complaining when Walter didn’t receive any changes for a whole month, only for him to have the skill tree he has now.

as someone who followed, contributed, and compiled a lot if not most threads related to walter, i feel like the walter community collectively understood that constantly saying "walter's skill tree is underdeveloped" was just beating a dead horse. it doesn't help the devs, and bring down the morale of the community. after initial testings, people have raised enough voices about it, and the devs acknowledged it. so instead, we gave a lot, and i mean a lot of suggestions that got into this current build (probably 85% of suggestions)

so, we didn't exactly "complain", but we did say a lot, which i think was constructive.

22 minutes ago, AliceShiki said:

They have already said they're happy with where Wortox is. Same thing for Wendy.

Walter they had said multiple times over that they were still working on all the Woby stuff. That's why people were waiting, because they all knew it was coming.

i don't follow wortox and wendy discourse so i can't speak up on it, but i do think that having the devs say that "they're happy with it" really does bring down the community. and having wortox's suggestions not making it doesn't help either.

however, what the walter community got was only vague confirmations, like you said. we didn't exactly know what the devs were working on, or where the direction of the tree would go, etc. we couldn't exactly keep giving out suggestions while not knowing whether what we suggest is good, or is in line with the developers' vision. we have to essentially include "the tree is not done yet, please don't give up on walter" on every thread, and then wait for builds after builds that did not include walter at all, seeing other characters receiving changes.

so, every community has their own struggles. some received their flowers sooner than others, but i trust that klei live up to your expectations, one way or another, and if not now, soon. chin up!

[kroban]

8 hours ago, _mylilsunshine_ said:

she's just a big snoozer, but yeah i like your suggestion. also white hair walter looks really nice with that pinetree hat skin, i wonder why other hats don't look as good with the hair clipping weirdly

imo thats the best looking pioneer hat skin, it makes him look kind of like a gnome which is cute lol

4 hours ago, _mylilsunshine_ said:

as someone who followed, contributed, and compiled a lot if not most threads related to walter, i feel like the walter community collectively understood that constantly saying "walter's skill tree is underdeveloped" was just beating a dead horse. it doesn't help the devs, and bring down the morale of the community. after initial testings, people have raised enough voices about it, and the devs acknowledged it. so instead, we gave a lot, and i mean a lot of suggestions that got into this current build (probably 85% of suggestions)

so, we didn't exactly "complain", but we did say a lot, which i think was constructive.

True, honestly im kind of glad that Walter didn't have as many players as Wendy before the skill trees. Since he didnt have as many players with wild different expectations, the suggestions were more focused on what he truly needed. Like you said, a lot of the ideas discussed in Walter threads made it into his skill tree in some form, and I think thats awesome.

 Wendy for example has so many different groups of players (solo, multiplayer, people who wanted more Abigail damage, people who wanted more Wendy utility, people that wanted a complete rework again, etc.) that the suggestions for her ended up all over the place. Some Wendy players were going to be disappointed no matter what because of how big her player base is...

 

Edited February 14, 2025 by kroban

[Curly Bill]

12 hours ago, IDreamerI said:

I still don't give up hope that you haven't (as usual) forgotten about Wortox and will make his skill tree unique (I beg you)

Pretty sure they said it was next on the to do list, they just couldn't implement the changes in a way that made sense yet until they introduced a new late game bug net first (which came this update)

90% sure it's coming soon, they just had to iron out the changes from the most recent changes; I mean the Woby Courier skill was still not finished, they had to fix those stuff first before they can move forward :P

Edited February 14, 2025 by Curly Bill

[Dingle]

2 hours ago, kroban said:

imo thats the best looking pioneer hat skin, it makes him look kind of like a gnome which is cute lol

True, honestly im kind of glad that Walter didn't have as many players as Wendy before the skill trees. Since he didn't have as many players with wildly different expectations, the suggestions were more focused on what he truly needed, rather than turning the forum into a mess of conflicting demands. Like you said, a lot of the ideas discussed in Walter threads made it into his skill tree in some form, and I think thats awesome.

 Wendy for example has so many different groups of players (solo, multiplayer, people who wanted more Abigail damage, people who wanted more Wendy utility, people that wanted a complete rework again, etc.) that the suggestions ended up all over the place. Some Wendy players were bound to be disappointed no matter what because of how big her player base is...

 

Wortox feedback was pretty unified for the most part, too. I think Wortox's problem was that there were bigger fish to fry, so there was really strong pressure to just say "yeah, he's good enough" on the development side.

Not only the other two characters, but the lua exploits and the holiday events. There must have been a lot of pressure to consider him wrapped up as soon as possible.

Overall, I think Wortox just had really bad luck being in the same update as Wendy and Walter.

[Hollow soul 3]

19 minutes ago, Curly Bill said:

Pretty sure they said it was next on the to do list, they just couldn't implement the changes in a way that made sense yet until they introduced a new late game bug net first (which came this update)

90% sure it's coming soon, they just had to iron out the changes from the most recent changes; I mean the Woby Courier skill was still not finished, they had to fix those stuff first before they can move forward :P

This is what they said about Wortox. That doesn't look like they're planning on address the problems with guys skill tree. More like some minor aesthetic changes, and a touch up on an item.

 

[Curly Bill]

17 minutes ago, Hollow soul 3 said:

This is what they said about Wortox. That doesn't look like they're planning on address the problems with guys skill tree. More like some minor aesthetic changes, and a touch up on an item.

 

Oh shoot, i missed the part where they just said aesthetic. Well, looks like Wortox is where they want him

[Walrusst]

6 minutes ago, Curly Bill said:

Oh shoot, i missed the part where they just said aesthetic. Well, looks like Wortox is where they want him

Aside from that little bit about possibly using the knapsack as a bug net, which if true would be extremely nice.
Since they said they added the thulecite bug net as a stepping stone to the knapsnet if I am reading this correctly.

You can provide a lot of value to a team by proactively planting flowers and building apiaries, while also giving yourself a comfortable reserve of souls.

Edited February 14, 2025 by Walrusst

[Wortoxx]

I Sincerely can't wait anymore... It seems we will never have these skilltress

[Hollow soul 3]

32 minutes ago, Curly Bill said:

Oh shoot, i missed the part where they just said aesthetic. Well, looks like Wortox is where they want him

Yeah, really disappointing when you look at wormwood and wurt.

[Quikin]

i think a new animation for petting pets and Woby would be so cool and many characters can use it!

[Uedo]

Have klei finished 'Setting up the stage' yet?

[Curly Bill]

I will say; Wortox having a bugnet is pretty big because of the butterfly/soul farm you can set up

[kehun]

1 minute ago, Curly Bill said:

I will say; Wortox having a bugnet is pretty big because of the butterfly/soul farm you can set up

Agree but wasn't that idea canceled because of thulecite bug net? (which is amazing item btw) 

[Curly Bill]

4 minutes ago, kehun said:

Agree but wasn't that idea canceled because of thulecite bug net? (which is amazing item btw) 

I could be wrong, but to quote them they said "before the Knabsack can be a Bug Net alternative", implying the Knabsack will attain Bug Net capabilities; but could be wrong

Edited February 14, 2025 by Curly Bill

[Hollow soul 3]

4 minutes ago, kehun said:

Agree but wasn't that idea canceled because of thulecite bug net? (which is amazing item btw) 

Not that I know of, the post I referenced above mentioned that a late game net has to be added before they could add it, but that it would be implemented sometime during the Walter updates.

I've been expressing my negative thoughts on wortox and the bag, but I like the bug net a lot. Even with the jars, the net has so much utility for wortox.

[Walrusst]

Regardless its an amazing step for wortox to integrate him into the civilian/basebuilding side of the game more. Since he had a lot of the speedrun secret sauce features in his kit, combat support features, yadayada.
Now he has a civilian role he is almost the uncontested the best at, even if he does have minor competition in wendy/wormwood (Reviving butterflies/bee neutrality,) its nothing like having the perfect tool for practically zero cost and skills which remove large parts of the busywork to building an epic apiary (Bonuses that apply to all parts of the process while also getting a bigger than average payoff.)

Plus between his panflute skills and easily catching large hordes of angry bee's the gimmick trick of woody treating an enemy type like a minion is also something he can heavily exploit on the cheap as well.

Edited February 14, 2025 by Walrusst

[Dingle]

13 minutes ago, Walrusst said:

Regardless its an amazing step for wortox to integrate him into the civilian/basebuilding side of the game more. Since he had a lot of the speedrun secret sauce features in his kit, combat support features, yadayada.
Now he has a civilian role he is almost the uncontested the best at, even if he does have minor competition in wendy/wormwood (Reviving butterflies/bee neutrality,) its nothing like having the perfect tool for practically zero cost and skills which remove large parts of the busywork to building an epic apiary (Bonuses that apply to all parts of the process while also getting a bigger than average payoff.)

Plus between his panflute skills and easily catching large hordes of angry bee's the gimmick trick of woody treating an enemy type like a minion is also something he can heavily exploit on the cheap as well.

Could be really handy. Presumably it's going to be better than a regular bug net, as they couldn't do it until after the thulecite bug net.

[Echsrick]

7 hours ago, AliceShiki said:

They have already said they're happy with where Wortox is

they the devs, while us players are not

[kehun]

27 minutes ago, Echsrick said:

they the devs, while us players are not

Idk im pretty happy with his skill tree (since november-december even) Like what's there to fix? Few sfx stuff, knabsack design and bug net mechanic altough thulecite bug net is fire but knabsack is even cheaper so why not. Merging skills because players don't want to take some filler skills...well too bad we need to do some sacrifice. 

Cloudy carmen could be better but still it's just ok. Knabsack is item that im going to use for sure like don't mind bug net but it's very useful to farming especially with shadow reaper for faster collecting. Combat side of this item well i think im going to skip this one.

Most problematic skills are for affinitties i guess which i don't really understand, Wortox is very good character and the fact that true power of affinities are with rifts items i think it's interesting idea even without that specific items you will still do more dmg to other side which is good. Filler skill are not really problem for me because i still think that giving Wortox skill tree was hard challenge for devs yet what did they made is awesome and creative 

But yeah this is my take for his skill tree - im very satisfied  (that message would be enough ngl) 

Edited February 15, 2025 by kehun

[Dingle]

13 minutes ago, kehun said:

Idk im pretty happy with his skill tree (since november-december even) Like what's there to fix? Few sfx stuff, knabsack design and bug net mechanic altough thulecite bug net is fire but knabsack is even cheaper so why not. Merging skills because players don't want to take some filler skills...well too bad we need to do some sacrifice. 

Cloudy carmen could be better but still it's just ok. Knabsack is item that im going to use for sure like don't mind bug net but it's very useful to farming especially with shadow reaper for faster collecting. Combat side of this item well i think im going to skip this one.

Most problematic skills are for affinitties i guess which i don't really understand, Wortox is very good character and the fact that true power of affinities are with rifts items i think it's interesting idea even without that specific items you will still do more dmg to other side which is good. Filler skill are not really problem for me because i still think that giving Wortox skill tree was hard challenge for devs yet what did they made is awesome and creative 

But yeah this is my take for his skill tree - im very satisfied  (that message would be enough ngl) 

Big things off top of head? It's been awhile, will try to remember.

Cloudy Carmen, at the very least, needs a multiplayer fix.

Soul decoy 2 is pretty worthless. Reaching souls 2 actually actively hurts you (makes overloading easier). Even for filler skills, they are extremely bad.

Soul bastion could really use something for soloers. Especially soul bastion 2. You're forced to take it for an 8/6 Nice + Affinity build, unless you want an entite branch (lifegiver) that does nothing for you. Soul Bastion 2 doesn't really do much for you. Would be nice if at least gave you a double hit of sanity.

Knabsack multigrab nukes durability. Surprised you are happy with it. Or did they change it?

Still sucks that they make you get the sack to get the jar. Maybe it will be a REALLY good bug net?

I have more, but those are probably the big ones.

[AliceShiki]

11 hours ago, _mylilsunshine_ said:

so, every community has their own struggles. some received their flowers sooner than others, but i trust that klei live up to your expectations, one way or another, and if not now, soon. chin up!

For what it's worth, I was just correcting the person I quoted, because Walter's situation was very different from Wendy/Wortox.

I'm plenty happy with all 3 skill trees rn myself~