Give Wortox Synergy With The Horizon Expandinator

[Y0sH]

As the title says, this is an opportunity to let Wortox jump the maximum on-screen distance without opening the map. If the jump is more than 1 soul's worth then just make it cost 2 souls to jump the max distance while wearing the head piece, not even a buff this would be just a qol change honestly. 

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While we're at it, add back the 20hp Naughty Self-Heal and decrease team healing for Naughty inclination. (Thematically makes sense and having less self heal while being more "greedy" inclination-wise doesn't make sense.)

 

[aidancode]

Nice idea. I do like Wortox inclination as-is, though. It's a bit of a nerf for a very potent tank that's totally optional to opt into. It might not make the most sense thematically but it's good for gameplay imo.

[Y0sH]

2 minutes ago, aidancode said:

Nice idea. I do like Wortox inclination as-is, though. It's a bit of a nerf for a very potent tank that's totally optional to opt into. It might not make the most sense thematically but it's good for gameplay imo.

If we're comparing Inclination downsides then Nice has almost 0 downside. Yeah you lose sanity eating souls but you also gain sanity from dropping them. This effectively gives you either infinite sanity or infinite insanity depending on what you want. On top of that you get to recruit mobs, and neutral mobs aren't hostile. Meanwhile Naughty is just a straight -5 hp per soul and the inability to gain sanity back per soul and overload protection which if you played Wortox at all before this Beta you'd know how to drop souls before you overload anyway or literally throw them in a jar before it happens.

It may seem small but after months in the Beta, Naughty inclination Wortox having less self healing is honestly just annoying more than a downside. Team healing in a multiplayer game being decreased when you're "The Healer" character seems way more impactful while being less annoying solo wise. Even if this change comes with more creatures being hostile I'm all for it.

[ApoIIo]

1 hour ago, Y0sH said:

 if you played Wortox at all before this Beta you'd know how to drop souls before you overload anyway or literally throw them in a jar before it happens.

It's actually still really handy, it decreased my overload frequency from "occasionally" to "never". I also had moments when someone would kill something near me while I was looking at my map or something and forcibly overload me, and that's dealt with by it.

1 hour ago, Y0sH said:

It may seem small but after months in the Beta, Naughty inclination Wortox having less self healing is honestly just annoying more than a downside. Team healing in a multiplayer game being decreased when you're "The Healer" character seems way more impactful while being less annoying solo wise. Even if this change comes with more creatures being hostile I'm all for it.

I really don't feel it makes a difference when obtaining each soul takes like .004 seconds using naughty skills.

[Y0sH]

1 minute ago, ApoIIo said:

It's actually still really handy, it decreased my overload frequency from "occasionally" to "never". I also had moments when someone would kill something near me while I was looking at my map or something and forcibly overload me, and that's dealt with by it.

I really don't feel it makes a difference when obtaining each soul takes like .004 seconds using naughty skills.

That's kind of my point with the overload thing, it barely happened (may need a poll for that) but any Wortox player I've ever come into contact with rarely ever had an issue with this. Given with how filler heavy his Skilltree already is, overload protection seems like a fix to something that was barely an issue to begin with.

The inconvenience to the Nerf to self heal shouldn't be gauged with how easy it is to obtain a soul but how many more you have to use to heal yourself vs it healing others the same. If I'm in the middle of Nightmare Werepig fight and I'm dropping souls to heal myself, the souls being easy to obtain doesn't help me at all. 

[ApoIIo]

6 hours ago, Y0sH said:

That's kind of my point with the overload thing, it barely happened (may need a poll for that) but any Wortox player I've ever come into contact with rarely ever had an issue with this. Given with how filler heavy his Skilltree already is, overload protection seems like a fix to something that was barely an issue to begin with.

Overload protection is NOT filler, it is really nice watching hundreds of souls flow freely into my inventory due to a soul pierce cascade. I've posted a video of that earlier.
That is on top of getting to be careless with it and getting away with it. I am also not always paying perfect attention and an extra soul might slip through if I miscount on any occasion, and it has already prevented many loathsome overloads for me, and I am NOT a Wortox newbie. I'm just tired all the time.

If we must change around perks, you have plenty else to demand the replacement of, such as "souls fly to you faster".

6 hours ago, Y0sH said:

The inconvenience to the Nerf to self heal shouldn't be gauged with how easy it is to obtain a soul but how many more you have to use to heal yourself vs it healing others the same. If I'm in the middle of Nightmare Werepig fight and I'm dropping souls to heal myself, the souls being easy to obtain doesn't help me at all. 

Idk man the soul dropping anim isn't so slow that I ever felt this was a problem personally. But I guess that boils down to something like my opposite view with you on the topic of overload protection. Different experiences and such.

[Y0sH]

3 hours ago, ApoIIo said:

 I'm just tired all the time.
 

My insomnia felt this so much. 

 

3 hours ago, ApoIIo said:

Overload protection is NOT filler, it is really nice watching hundreds of souls flow freely into my inventory due to a soul pierce cascade. I've posted a video of that earlier.
That is on top of getting to be careless with it and getting away with it. I am also not always paying perfect attention and an extra soul might slip through if I miscount on any occasion, and it has already prevented many loathsome overloads for me, and I am NOT a Wortox newbie. I'm just tired all the time.

If we must change around perks, you have plenty else to demand the replacement of, such as "souls fly to you faster".

Idk man the soul dropping anim isn't so slow that I ever felt this was a problem personally. But I guess that boils down to something like my opposite view with you on the topic of overload protection. Different experiences and such.

When I was referring to filler it was the many skills in his Skilltree not that Inclination buff. The overload thing just seemed like a fix to an issue that didn't seem like much of an widespread issue. They could've gave the player an option to just hold open a soul jar so that souls can just fill them up instead of the overload protection.

The self healing nerf bothers me half because it having an irritating feel in mid game. The other half is thematically it doesn't make sense that the greedy, naughty imp somehow heals less personally and perfectly when it comes to others.

[ApoIIo]

On 2/11/2025 at 8:57 PM, Y0sH said:

The self healing nerf bothers me half because it having an irritating feel in mid game. The other half is thematically it doesn't make sense that the greedy, naughty imp somehow heals less personally and perfectly when it comes to others.

I guess the souls hold a grudge for being hoarded en masse by a greedy little man but still can't help healing him to some extent anyway