Rework knabsack and evil inclination - make EvilTox great again

[erick was right]

19 hours ago, Biskit said:

I can't tell if those who think Nice inclination is "superior" compared to Naughty are trolling or not. Yall are either trippin or legit just trolling, like there is no way.

Naughty inclination does Not need any buffs.

Knabsack* is not only slightly better than a hambat. It can get up to Dark sword damage, without the negative sanity aura and doesn't need any science/magic.

Knabsack also has ability to Knab stuff, which is unique and a new concept.

Not everything is meant to be from early-late game. For example Woodie has 2 skills for a Hardwood Hat and a Walking Stick. Both which are very cheap, and for early game. What makes it good however, is it can be given to teammates from day 1. But when people asked for the same treatment for Knabsack, some people disagreed that it makes Wortox a Swap Character!!! (Which is sad to see)

For late game, Wortox has very good skills as affinities which synergize really well with some other skills he has, like Reverberation.

You realize you can have Naughty inclination and also have all 3 Lifebringer skills, right? You can have Reverberation on top of all these.

You can also use Lazy Deserters when summer starts, so Lifebringer 3 is not anyhting crazy or "Superior".

You can also respec and change your skilltree to satisfy your desires.

The fact is that echo skills (soul-spending efficiency) and good inclinations are too beneficial to pass up just for the QoL perk of gaining an advantage against certain bosses due to soul-piercing. It's a similar situation to Wigfrid's shield—yeah, it's generally underwhelming, except during fights like DF and CC.

There is no scenario where I would prefer soul-piercing (even with a slight buff, essentially making it a clone) over playing as a Nice Wortox when I'm in voice chat with any human teammate.

Even if the other player isn’t very skilled, it actually strengthens the case for Nice Wortox even more—because now I can manage all the pig farms like any other character. (Let’s be honest, no one rushes ruins or tackles rifts right away with newbie or intermediate friends since they often don’t even know what’s going on yet.)

I think similarly to you, but in a different way—I genuinely can’t understand how you’re overlooking how overpowered it is to teleport everyone across the map, considering how much tempo that generates.

 

Yeah, naughty tree can be equal/slightly better to Nice Wortox on single but the way Nice Wortox clears slams and obliterates if it's don't starve TOGETHER isn't even close.

[Biskit]

21 hours ago, Cosiek said:

The fact is that echo skills (soul-spending efficiency) and good inclinations are too beneficial to pass up just for the QoL perk of gaining an advantage against certain bosses due to soul-piercing. It's a similar situation to Wigfrid's shield—yeah, it's generally underwhelming, except during fights like DF and CC.

There is no scenario where I would prefer soul-piercing (even with a slight buff, essentially making it a clone) over playing as a Nice Wortox when I'm in voice chat with any human teammate.

Even if the other player isn’t very skilled, it actually strengthens the case for Nice Wortox even more—because now I can manage all the pig farms like any other character. (Let’s be honest, no one rushes ruins or tackles rifts right away with newbie or intermediate friends since they often don’t even know what’s going on yet.)

I think similarly to you, but in a different way—I genuinely can’t understand how you’re overlooking how overpowered it is to teleport everyone across the map, considering how much tempo that generates.

 

Yeah, naughty tree can be equal/slightly better to Nice Wortox on single but the way Nice Wortox clears slams and obliterates if it's don't starve TOGETHER isn't even close.

I'm sorry but you are so lost if you think "soul-piercing" skills are a "QoL perk of gaining an advantage against certain bosses". I refuse to believe you have actually tried the skills yourself and haven't used Piercing and Decoy skills on bees or spiders to see how easy and fast Wortox by himself can farm souls and also extras like silk with them.

You keep using the "TOGETHER" narrative, and you have mentioned that you have been teleporting Wendy to farm you souls. Not all "TOGETHER" includes a Wendy. Some play "TOGETHER" with characters that don't really have AoE or not any efficient and easy way to help Wortox to farm souls (for example Wilson, Wolfgang, WX, Wickerbottom, Maxwell, Webber, Warly, Wurt, Wanda). The main skills that benefit Wortox to gather a lot of souls easily by himself are Soul Pierce and Soul Decoy skills (With addition of Shadow Harvester which goes hand in hand with them)

And once again, you CAN have either inclination AND skills of BOTH sides, AT THE SAME TIME. Stop trying to balance the skills on the left and skills on the right. See the tree as a whole with extra twist that based on how you lean towards one side more, you get an extra skill. Just because teleportation skills are good, doesn't mean that, that side is "SUPERIOR". In fact Klei made some changes to allow different builds.

The following is just an example, to show you how you can benefit from both sides and make a tree for your own playstyle. Different people have different needs and playstyles, and not every skill in any skill tree is for everyone and that's the whole purpose of skill trees. You can also see this, from your poll results.

[erick was right]

1 hour ago, Biskit said:

I'm sorry but you are so lost if you think "soul-piercing" skills are a "QoL perk of gaining an advantage against certain bosses". I refuse to believe you have actually tried the skills yourself and haven't used Piercing and Decoy skills on bees or spiders to see how easy and fast Wortox by himself can farm souls and also extras like silk with them.

You keep using the "TOGETHER" narrative, and you have mentioned that you have been teleporting Wendy to farm you souls. Not all "TOGETHER" includes a Wendy. Some play "TOGETHER" with characters that don't really have AoE or not any efficient and easy way to help Wortox to farm souls (for example Wilson, Wolfgang, WX, Wickerbottom, Maxwell, Webber, Warly, Wurt, Wanda). The main skills that benefit Wortox to gather a lot of souls easily by himself are Soul Pierce and Soul Decoy skills (With addition of Shadow Harvester which goes hand in hand with them)

And once again, you CAN have either inclination AND skills of BOTH sides, AT THE SAME TIME. Stop trying to balance the skills on the left and skills on the right. See the tree as a whole with extra twist that based on how you lean towards one side more, you get an extra skill. Just because teleportation skills are good, doesn't mean that, that side is "SUPERIOR". In fact Klei made some changes to allow different builds.

The following is just an example, to show you how you can benefit from both sides and make a tree for your own playstyle. Different people have different needs and playstyles, and not every skill in any skill tree is for everyone and that's the whole purpose of skill trees. You can also see this, from your poll results.

It's not the first time democracy is bad + judging by post made, majority of players here play for some reason solo which is not the thing for casual games.

It would be the same with any other character just by the fact that one player is pulling aggro from all bees and kites, second kills them by holding F.

 

Notice how you skipped big panflute buffs - I would never skip literally free income and panflute after it got buffed.

Also, there's no reason to go evil in multiplayer cause your piercing skill is useless in coop.

 

But you know - it's fine to me, I just wanted to get worse side buffed. I have nothing to win/lose here considering I will run good side for teleport breaking game points.