Those who think Wendy is good enough or want to nerf Wendy may not be into the character at all

[reddocc]

I swear to god I will make a poll about these posts,

What do you think is the top reason for these posts

A) Ventilation.

B) Favoritism

C) Elitismt(how even)

D) Abigail

E) All of the above

F) Wendy

 

[RiceMilk]

I think it's a bit inappropriate to evaluate whether others like it or not. I'm only discussing Wendy herself here.

 

There are two main types of players who believe Wendy needs to be weakened/too strong.

 

One player believes that Abigail is already too powerful, so the skill tree needs to punish her.

 

Another type of player believes that because they have sufficient patience and skills, they are able to use Abigail in environments with extremely low fault tolerance, so they do not need to take care of ordinary players.

 

I firmly oppose both of these ideas. Abigail's strength is actually only reflected in simple battles, and for any combat character, these battles are not worth mentioning.

 

It is even stranger to expect a character's unique traits to require extremely high patience and skill to fully utilize. It is important to understand that DST is not a highly skill checked PVP game, every one should be allow to feel the character's unique. Never exclude ordinary players from the experience.

[lio516]

12 hours ago, aidankocherhans said:

You know this is supposed to be an uncompromising survival game, right? If you don't want Abigail to get hurt, don't fight bosses and just build your base instead

What kind of logic? boss fights are hard, so no more? When it's time for a boss fight, switch to Wolfgang? And switch back?

Don't like or have a hard time doing something, so you stop doing it?

[aidankocherhans]

47 minutes ago, lio516 said:

What kind of logic? boss fights are hard, so no more? When it's time for a boss fight, switch to Wolfgang? And switch back?

Don't like or have a hard time doing something, so you stop doing it?

They said they want Abigail to be protected from all harm, there's only one reasonable way to do that

[Debruh]

56 minutes ago, lio516 said:

Don't like or have a hard time doing something, so you stop doing it?

Isn't that what you're supposed to do in a sandbox?

[Mike23Ua]

Your wrong, I understand the character very clearly.. I also understand that if Willow can Craft multiple Bernie Dolls and need to use sewing kits to repair destroyed ones and Wendy can craft multiple Abigail Flowers but they literally serve no gameplay purpose in doing so thanks to still being lingering mechanics from before her rework (not her skill tree..) her REWORK.. 

That Wendy should had probably needed an actual gameplay reason to craft new flowers?

Perhaps they could be dropped, lost, destroyed or break after you let Abigail get carelessly killed enough times?

Maybe make the flower require an Ecthoherbology elixer poured onto it to speed up its bloom out rate?? 

And for Godsake- Let’s remove Wendy’s ability to endlessly summon Abigail out of her flower continuously over and over again Everytime you let her get killed with literally no additional effort involved.

I’m a #Wendy Main, and I’m at least ONE Wendy Main who actually wants her *fairly* Nerfed.

[SilverSpoon]

13 hours ago, aidankocherhans said:

You know this is supposed to be an uncompromising survival game, right? If you don't want Abigail to get hurt, don't fight bosses and just build your base instead

In a multiplayer game for "Everyone has fun", it's wrong design certain characters to not participate in boss battles because this character is weak.

Currently Wendy can chose "beginners can increase Abigail's durability with Blessed Sisturn III and Spectral Cure-All," and "others can get an extra 3 skill tree points by not taking "Blessed Sisturn III" and more get extra skill tree point by not taking Elixel insight or can save resources and preparation time by not spamming Spectral cure-alls." so se is in the most balanced and Win-Win everyone since this beta. If you want to change that, please provide a rational reason or statistics beyond "This game is Uncompromising Survival" or "Too OP."

[aidankocherhans]

56 minutes ago, SilverSpoon said:

In a multiplayer game for "Everyone has fun", it's wrong design certain characters to not participate in boss battles because this character is weak.

Currently Wendy can chose "beginners can increase Abigail's durability with Blessed Sisturn III and Spectral Cure-All," and "others can get an extra 3 skill tree points by not taking "Blessed Sisturn III" and more get extra skill tree point by not taking Elixel insight or can save resources and preparation time by not spamming Spectral cure-alls." so se is in the most balanced and Win-Win everyone since this beta. If you want to change that, please provide a rational reason or statistics beyond "This game is Uncompromising Survival" or "Too OP."

Is something is as blatantly overpowered as sisturn 3 plus cure-all, what more argument do I actually need?

[hyoton123]

The most horrifying aspect of the Constant is that when you don't have the right potion for your dead sister, you become french.

[thesooz9000]

16 hours ago, KitGlom said:

Average day of me as a Wendy main fighting boss with Abigail:
Abigal : does 15 dmg, get hit two times for 200 dmg x 2

Me: Welp time to bring my sister back in my pocket
Me: Do I have the healing draught? No? Ok, I will just hit this boss for 0.75 dmg while my sister regen T_T

Wendy main players know the pain. This update is for us Wendy mains, the ones who don't like it can STFU

I too play wendy, And I don't want her to get buffed into oblivion so you can just turn your brain off and watch abigail tank bosses

[Debruh]

16 hours ago, KitGlom said:

Average day of me as a Wendy main fighting boss with Abigail:
Abigal : does 15 dmg, get hit two times for 200 dmg x 2

Me: Welp time to bring my sister back in my pocket
Me: Do I have the healing draught? No? Ok, I will just hit this boss for 0.75 dmg while my sister regen T_T

Wendy main players know the pain. This update is for us Wendy mains, the ones who don't like it can STFU

What boss exactly?

Also, most people who don't like it are also Wendy mains. You didn't even say 'stfu if you're not a Wendy main' just outright 'stfu if you disagree with me'. Like, at least try to not come off as condescending?

[loonreaper]

I'm half convinced some of these people who complain the loudest don't even play Wendy at all. She was my main for the longest time. Sometimes I played without a beefalo, most of the time I played with a Beefalo but I always found it so fun and engaging to focus on the positioning and right spells vs the specific boss. Abby was more of a glass cannon than Wanda which made the boss fights fun. Cancelling out her weaknesses was fun strategically-- Abby dies 1 on 1 vs a tallbird but if you have an ornery beefalo the tallbird dies in 2-3 hits if you protect Abby. An ornery war saddle, and now a nightmare saddle, inflicts more damage that most post-skilltree characters already. I said long before this update that Wendy would be impossible to make good skill-tree wise because she already has one of the most unique fighting mechanics in the game already that is super rewarding to play and that this was likely to get lost in the flood of requests. 

[RussoDaFederal]

18 hours ago, yinjiu019 said:

DST may not be a difficult game
But for the characters in it, it is extremely difficult to survive in The Constant
Wendy is a weak child, but with the support of Abigail, she can face some monsters. It can even be said that Wendy is the weakest character without Abigail..., except Wes
In this situation, in order to survive, what is the purpose of what she has learned in The Constant?
Wendy has never been interested in her own life. She came to The Constant only for Abigail...
Only for Abigail Lillian Carter...!

Let Abigail get closer to me, let Abigail take as little damage as possible, even use me to protect Abigail, even... let both of them avoid getting hurt
She really just wants a warm hug with her precious sister...
All our demands are only for one thing, even a trivial one
Let Abigail accompany Wendy in battle and continue to give her vulnerable buff
In the current version, there are many bosses that can easily kill Abigail,
And we can only give her Spectral Cure-All in battle to restore her health
And the current teamwork skills greatly limit Wendy's flexibility, making her stiff
Relying on Spectral Cure-All to let Abigail defeat bosses does not really solve this problem...
The problem now is that even if the player has a very high proficiency in the boss, it is still impossible to fight some bosses with Abigail
We really need Abigail's company... It's too important
Everything we do is to be able to use Abigail in the battle with the boss, not to become Wes

Here you go:

c_find("abigail").components.health:StartRegen(600, 1)

Problem solved.

[WenericMember]

Oh cool, good to know my desire to actually learn to kite with abigail instead of  having a Bernie but Better makes me not a fan.

[lio516]

13 hours ago, Debruh said:

Isn't that what you're supposed to do in a sandbox?

But in this game you have to kill bosses in order to get valuable items

[Debruh]

1 hour ago, lio516 said:

But in this game you have to kill bosses in order to get valuable items

None of the items are necessary for a casual player

[lio516]

Just now, Debruh said:

What valuable items? Most items from bosses aren't that valuable

Are you serious? Almost every boss drop has an extra feature or is irreplaceable。You can say that, and I have nothing more to say to you。

[Yifei_]

5 minutes ago, Debruh said:

Most items from bosses aren't that valuable

What?

[Debruh]

7 minutes ago, lio516 said:

Are you serious? Almost every boss drop has an extra feature or is irreplaceable。You can say that, and I have nothing more to say to you。

Dragonfly's furnace isn't needed. A campfire can suffice. Bearger's drops aren't that good. Deerclops' eyebrella can be replaced by other rainproof equipment. Antlion can be appeased to get her stuff. Moosegoose's feathers are only used in crafting the luxury feather, personally I used it but most people don't so it's not needed, and the weatherpain, mostly used in boss fights.

Ancient Fuelweaver's drops are the thurible, which doesn't have that much uses, a bone helm, mostly used in celesital champion and nightmare fuel farming, which can be done using a purple amulet, and the bone armor, which also isn't needed, even when fighting other bosses. Ancient guardian's drops are just stuff you can find in the ruins. Toadstool's can be replaced by any light sources

Celesital champion's crown can also be replaced by any light sources. Werepig's drops are just armor. Scrappy's drops are also not that major. Malbatross's and Frostjaw's are just ocean stuff

Please, tell me one boss item, that is needed for a casual player tp experience and enjoy the game. Cause I used to not fight bosses at all, and this game was still lots of fun

21 minutes ago, Yifei_ said:

What?

I explained lol

[Yifei_]

4 minutes ago, Debruh said:

Dragonfly's furnace isn't needed. A campfire can suffice. Bearger's drops aren't that good. Deerclops' eyebrella can be replaced by other rainproof equipment. Antlion can be appeased to get her stuff. Moosegoose's feathers are only used in crafting the luxury feather, personally I used it but most people don't so it's not needed, and the weatherpain, mostly used in boss fights.

Ancient Fuelweaver's drops are the thurible, which doesn't have that much uses, a bone helm, mostly used in celesital champion and nightmare fuel farming, which can be done using a purple amulet, and the bone armor, which also isn't needed, even when fighting other bosses. Ancient guardian's drops are just stuff you can find in the ruins. Toadstool's can be replaced by any light sources

Celesital champion's crown can also be replaced by any light sources. Werepig's drops are just armor. Scrappy's drops are also not that major. Malbatross's and Frostjaw's are just ocean stuff

Please, tell me one boss item, that is needed for a casual player tp experience and enjoy the game. Cause I used to not fight bosses at all, and this game was still lots of fun

Are you serious??? I must tell you that fight bosses will make the game more fun if you have not experienced it. Moreover, discussing the "use of boss loot" has already deviated from the topic of this post. Let's not talk about it.

[Debruh]

1 minute ago, Yifei_ said:

Are you serious??? I must tell you that fight bosses will make the game more fun if you have not experienced it. Moreover, discussing the "use of boss loot" has already deviated from the topic of this post. Let's not talk about it.

Fighting bosses is fun yeah. But currently player tag lets the player just ignore Abigail and kite the boss same as Wilson. Removes what makes Wendy unique from other characters. With all this talk about casual players, I think it's important to point out that 

1) You don't have to stick to Wendy, one can learn and enjoy boss fights as more basic characters, then come back to Wendy and learn her unique way of fighting.

2) You can stick to Wendy and fail as much as you want, and that's not a bad thing because these bosses aren't needed for enjoyment. You can explor the oceans, make your own above average tree, explore moon quay. All that other stuff as breaks between bosses. I don't think attaching a player tag on Abby that makes you completely forget about her is good for any type of player 

[Yifei_]

11 minutes ago, Debruh said:

Fighting bosses is fun yeah. But currently player tag lets the player just ignore Abigail and kite the boss same as Wilson. Removes what makes Wendy unique from other characters. With all this talk about casual players, I think it's important to point out that 

1) You don't have to stick to Wendy, one can learn and enjoy boss fights as more basic characters, then come back to Wendy and learn her unique way of fighting.

2) You can stick to Wendy and fail as much as you want, and that's not a bad thing because these bosses aren't needed for enjoyment. You can explor the oceans, make your own above average tree, explore moon quay. All that other stuff as breaks between bosses. I don't think attaching a player tag on Abby that makes you completely forget about her is good for any type of player 

I've read it several times and I still don't understand your logic. When did I mention other characters? When did I say that going out to sea and planting above average trees is boring? I have a basic understanding of boss speedruns, but that doesn't prevent me from investing most of my energy into base construction and beautification. I am a player who enjoys building a base, and of course, I know that bosses are not the entirety of the game, but to say that boss loot is worthless based on that, isn't that too one-sided?

[Debruh]

Just now, Yifei_ said:

I've read it several times and I still don't understand your logic. When did I mention other characters? When did I say that going out to sea and planting above average trees is boring? I have a basic understanding of boss speedruns, but that doesn't prevent me from investing most of my energy into base construction and beautification. I am a player who enjoys building a base, and of course, I know that bosses are not the entirety of the game, but to say that boss loot is worthless based on that, isn't that too one-sided?

I didn't say that it was worthless, I said that it wasn't valuable in my first post (bad choice of words on my part) then corrected in the second to say that boss loot isn't needed. It can be replaced ith other items.

What I meant was, Wendy's different way of fighting bosses is what makes her unique, and it adds more to the game. If you can not do bosses as her, I recommended trying bosses as more basic characters, then coming back to Wendy. Then, you will have the fun of beating the boss normally. Then the fun of beating it in a different style

Currently, the way player tag works makes it so that it the lunar alignments are useless, as well as giving Wendy the playstyle of basically Wilson or Wolfgang. 

I mentioned that stuff as stuff you can do as Wendy between practicing boss fights. Just practicing boss fights is nerve wracking and frustrating. Taking breaks by doing other stuff will help overall. Doing that stuff with Abby will also help more with being able to take care and manage her.

Essentially there are now two skill lines that allow the player to completely forget about Abby. The sisturn line and the lunar one. Which I think is a bad thing. The sisturn line has potential, and should be something casual, experienced, new and all in between, Wendy players can use and enjoy. With the shadow line being for experienced and average players. And the lunar one being for casual and average players.

Never said that you said all the stuff I mentioned is boring. And nice base btw

[thesooz9000]

1 hour ago, Debruh said:

What valuable items? Most items from bosses aren't that valuable

??? lmao what, best healing source (jelly beans), arguably best body slot armor(bone armor), one of the best heat sources (scaled furnace), Celestial crown (easy sanity and light source) polar bearger bin (saves so much time) and the list goes on lol

 

Oh i sent this post at the same time you sent your post clarifying, woops.

[Debruh]

1 minute ago, thesooz9000 said:

??? lmao what, best healing source (jelly beans), arguably best body slot armor(bone armor), one of the best heat sources (scaled furnace), Celestial crown (easy sanity and light source) polar bearger bin (saves so much time) and the list goes on lol

Corrected it lol