Chinese people and forumites what do you think of this suggestion?

[Cuernito.]

I want to help by offering a little suggestion for the wendy skill tree situation.

The spiritual make up.

Its an aplication item that last for 2 minuts, this ritual paint can be used only by wendy to transfer all the damage abigail gets to wendy, can't be used if wendy is on a beefalo and wendy can't mount a beef either if she is already using the make up(this cause wendy needs to have more contact with the earth or the water on boats to conect with spiritual forces). The ritual to exchange spiritual energy has a cooldown of 2 minuts so you can't spam it during a fight(this cooldown starts when the power of the make up work off), and cause this is an aplication item wendy can still use body and head armor.

The make up can be crafted with a mix of dark petals, mourning glory and normal petals but wendy can only use it if she has the skill to know how to put the mix in a ritualistic way in her face to conect with abigail. The animation to put the make up is fast.

I think this item can help abigail to survive longer without making her a tank like bearnie, and without the need for abigail to make more damage. cause the item has a cooldown you need to know when to use it to take some damage for abigail and since the aplication animation is fast this item is really versatile.

So what do you think? Ik this kind of suggestion is surely not happening but i still wanna try to help.

And i have to say that the only perk that i dont like about the skill tree is the gravestone movable thing, i think its weird that a person like wendy who has more respect for the death than other survivors would do such a thing but thats only my opinion.

[cyjs]

Then Wendy would wear a marble armor and eat dragon fruit pie while hiding behind her back. I don’t think it’s a good idea.

[Cuernito.]

1 minute ago, cyjs said:

Then Wendy would wear a marble armor and eat dragon fruit pie while hiding behind her back. I don’t think it’s a good idea.

but only for 2 minuts, maybe lowering it to 1 minut can make it better?

[whiteking]

Is this... if I take the wrong path, I'll go back?
Let's discuss whether this is feasible.
Firstly, Wendy cannot ride a beefalo. Even though I don't play Wendy often, I know that if Wendy wants to showcase her full strength in front of the boss, she must ride a beefalo and fight. Through this method, combined with appropriate saddle equipment, Wendy can cause damage exceeding 100 at a time. I think this is unreasonable.
Secondly, protecting Abigail is reasonable. When Wendy faces the boss, Abigail, who lacks defense, is the easiest to die.
But if she does so, Wendy will suffer double damage in front of bosses with AOE. This cost is too crazy.
I'm sorry, I don't think this is appropriate.

[Lee Sy]

3 times demage when attacked by AOE. Abigail won't be fragile but how about Wendy's armor? Unless abi is replaced with a player tag.

And no need to distinguish Chinese players and others when it comes to game issues.

[Cassielu]

It's maybe a liitle bit closer to what Wendy players want.

But essentially it's still as bad as  current skilltree.

The more important/change things should have a bigger weight in the character's overall design/skilltree, it changes too much to a one single item/skill compared with other potions/other skills. If functions like this does get added to the game, it's better suited as a core root skilltree node and have several skills that build on it, like Winona's Portability skill.

[Wendigail]

Abigail's biggest survival problem is not her health, but her inability to dodge.

If the damage is transferred to Wendy, she will consume a lot of armor and health supplies because Abigail is stationary

[Cuernito.]

33 minutes ago, Wendigail said:

Abigail's biggest survival problem is not her health, but her inability to dodge.

If the damage is transferred to Wendy, she will consume a lot of armor and health supplies because Abigail is stationary

So a better AI for abigail could be enough to calm some hardcore wendy mains?

[Xplan]

Just now, NekoSoulx said:

那么，为 abigail 提供更好的 AI 就足以平息一些铁杆 wendy mains？

there's two ways:

1. Give her a good ai so she won't get hit that often. (the former version)
2. Boost her defense so Wendy players don't need to spend too much time and resources healing her while fighting.

[Wendigail]

3 minutes ago, NekoSoulx said:

So a better AI for abigail could be enough to calm some hardcore wendy mains?

Last time, Klei Nerf Abigail stand still for 1 second after each attack. If she could run away immediately after each attack like Merm or Piglin, her survival problems would be greatly improved. I have seen many people say that Abigail can kill all bosses without the participation of players, so it can attack very slowly like Maxwell's Shadow guy, and become normal when players attack together.Time is an important cost in DST.

[Cuernito.]

35 minutes ago, Fitzee said:

Word of advice: rather than dividing the playerbase by using terms that separate "Chinese people" from "formulites", you can simply make your suggestion normally, talking to everyone in an equal manner. 

I mean some chinese players started to talk from the chinese people perspective so they separated themself from other forumites, Im from Mexico but i dont start any post like: voice of mexican players. And while i agree those post separate the playerbase the true is the chinese people started all that, instead of talking from the perspective of some forumites like we are all, they started talking from the chinese perspective. So be more causeful my friend, idk where are you from but im pretty sure that mexican and hispanic people in general here are a minority and if people start crying "racism" then i think i have all the odds to win that discussion.

1 minute ago, Wendigail said:

Last time, Klei Nerf Abigail stand still for 1 second after each attack. If she could run away immediately after each attack like Merm or Piglin, her survival problems would be greatly improved. I have seen many people say that Abigail can kill all bosses without the participation of players, so it can attack very slowly like Maxwell's Shadow guy, and become normal when players attack together.Time is an important cost in DST.

I really liked your ideas, maybe klei can implement that to lower abi power when fighting alone vs fighting with wendy.

[Cuernito.]

Well i hope klei can give a good solution for the majority of wendy players, i cant understand the feeling at all cause i main winona and i love her skill tree but Im with you in spirit, i just hope some people stop the insults and the destructive reaction to the devs lmao

1 minute ago, Fitzee said:

That's the thing: there is no point in bringing up race or nationality when giving feedback or making a suggestion; share your ideas while treating everyone equally, it shouldn't be hard to do. 

Its hard when chinese people start separating themselves from the rest of the forum but i agree it was my bad, it just that i saw all the chinese posts i thought that maybe they want to be separated from the others, cause you know a lot of people(that are not chinese people) actually like the wendy skill tree.

[1007954611]

56 minutes ago, Wendigail said:

阿比盖尔最大的生存问题不是她的健康，而是她无法躲避。

如果伤害转移到温蒂身上，她会消耗大量的盔甲和健康用品，因为阿比盖尔是静止的

My rough idea

 

 

[Xplan]

8 minutes ago, NekoSoulx said:

好吧，我希望 klei 能为大多数 wendy 玩家提供一个好的解决方案，我完全无法理解这种感觉，因为我是 winona，我喜欢她的技能树，但我在精神上与你同在，我只是希望有些人停止对开发者的侮辱和破坏性反应 lmao

当中国人开始将自己与论坛的其他人分开时，这很困难，但我同意这是我的错，只是我看到了所有的中国帖子，我想也许他们想和其他人分开，因为你知道很多人（不是中国人）实际上喜欢 Wendy 技能树。

I'm a Chinese and i don't like separating player either. The truth is there's large number of Chinese players are communicating at a different forum. Sometimes we just don't share the same views with you. (the way we usually talk seems to be too harsh for you. Some newly updated stuff you enjoy maybe unbearable for us) Klei did listen to your suggestions which they should but simply ignored ours. We tried to convey our ideas there, but some of your guys treat us like alien invasive species.

[Peasant]

29 minutes ago, NekoSoulx said:

Its hard when chinese people start separating themselves from the rest of the forum but i agree it was my bad, it just that i saw all the chinese posts i thought that maybe they want to be separated from the others, cause you know a lot of people(that are not chinese people) actually like the wendy skill tree.

Well…Actually not "separating themselves from", but rather "separated from", due to language and other stuff

[Peasant]

1 minute ago, Fitzee said:

The "separating themselves from" part comes from posts like "we will be heard" and "we will not be ignored", acting like this is an era of oppression or something. 

I know how it feels to feel like you're being ignored when you make the same suggestions every update and seeing your ideas not be implemented in each one, but there's two things to consider:

1) Klei may not understand what a post is trying to convey, whether it be in a different language or broken English; it's a shame, but that's unfortunately how it is right now.

2) Klei saw and understood a suggestion, but in classic Klei fashion, they silently denied the suggestion, as it probably didn't fit their vision or some other reason; this definitely sucks, but that's how it works around here, so it's best you get used to it.

The 2 points are actually…not the very reason. People doesn't feel ignored only when making suggestions and not get implemented, it's common after all. People feel ignored because…I don't know how to put this, because they are?

Klei has its account on bilibili, you may already know it's like a chinese version of youtube, they post a communication post there each month, but never reply. As for Baidu Tieba, there's non klei officials there to communicate, thus makes people feel they are ignored

[Peasant]

2 minutes ago, Fitzee said:

And what do you expect from a Canadian company whose primary language isn't Chinese? They rarely respond here; do you honestly believe anything would be different over there?

All the recent new visitors had the right idea to come here for a better chance to make suggestions and feedback, but what they probably weren't expecting was the grass not necessarily being greener over here either.

It IS different there. Here people at least receives reply, either explaining things or replying to quesions, and know that their posts will be seen even if there's no replies, while in bilibili people don't even know if they'll check 1 out of the 1000 posts each month. 

As you said, klei is a Canadian company, yes. Yet its founder is called Jamie Cheng, which means that he's at least a Canada born Chinese. Is the language really an obstacle for a company whose games is sold to all over the world ? They already got chinese translation in the game, so why would language be a problem preventing them from communicating with the players?

[Peasant]

2 minutes ago, Fitzee said:

You're asking the wrong person these questions. 

All I care about is having a civilized atmosphere where no one is taking sides, especially of the regional variety; all it does is create tension and a hostile environment. 

Let's all just be respectful in general, and realize that our suggestions and feedback all have equal merit.

What questions? They are rhetorical sentences.

[azTuT]

DST is a game that has been updated for a long time. If it were five years ago, Wendy's intensity was indeed good, and with her sister accompanying her, she faced less survival pressure than other characters.
However, in terms of combat, as I mentioned earlier, "DST is a game that has been updated for a long time." In recent years, there have been mainline missions, and after completing them, you will face more challenges. Wendy's combat intensity can no longer keep up with the changes in the version. I believe Wendy players who have completed the mainline missions have experienced this, which is an undeniable fact. (At the same time, I doubt whether people who are satisfied with this skill tree have really used Wendy to complete the game's mainline. If not, I don't think he has a say.) And the skill tree has not improved this point well.
In terms of daily quality of life, wizards can summon shadow figures for collection work; Librarians can use books to quickly access resources and even change the weather; Arsonists can create fireballs that illuminate their surroundings while allowing crops to grow at night; Lumberjacks can quickly cut down trees and mine; Plants can easily cultivate crops; Scientist can transform basic resources;Female workers can make spotlights to provide illumination and warmth. So, looking at Wendy, what abilities does she have? Even in multiplayer mode, she made almost no contribution to the team, and the skill tree did not give her any new abilities.
 So, in summary, this skill tree has not improved in terms of combat and daily life. What is its significance? Is it really a good work? Why does it satisfy players?