Wendy's instability makes it difficult to get the same intensity from her actions as other characters in the game

[purelove]

I don't think Wendy is lacking in damage, but her current maximum dps is so uncertain that it's like challenging a Guinness record.

Moreover, it is difficult for her to obtain enough strength through normal play process, and she must perform the operation accurately, which requires a lot of in-game training.

However, even with such difficulty, the terrible numerical filling in the skill tree is carried out, and the dps of her attack on the wooden pile is only a little higher than that of Wolfgang, which is because she has spent time collecting materials to make potions.

On the premise that the position of three combat units must be protected at the same time to avoid, Wolfgang can simply adjust his position when he is hit several times, and carry out the next cycle.

It's funny, isn't it, that even though it's so much harder than Wolfgang and so much riskier, it's not so rewarding,

It's funny, isn't it, that even though it's so much more difficult and risky than Wolfgang, the payoff is just a little bit higher, like a marginal benefit

Unless you can produce several times as much dps as Wolfgang, few people are willing to pay more for only a little more

Most people hope that Wendy can have her own special way to play in the game process. She can not only keep her alive, but also make more Bernie bears similar to Willow, and Wanda can make her own special equipment through the search in the past few days. Besides, she can adapt some strong and appropriate equipment.

In fact, playing Wendy is like doing multiple choice questions, and if you're battlehardened and trained enough to keep the cow, Wendy, and Abigail alive, you'll get 1.54 times the damage. Only 1.155 damage if she and Abigail survive. The cow and Wendy were alive when the cow did the damage. If Wendy only dealt 0.75 of her own damage. The benefit of cattle training is actually not to pursue this 1.54 damage, but to not make herself into 0.75 damage embarrassment of a choice, and because of her attack power 0.75 damage, so she can not not to tame the cattle, which is a very sad thing.

This is because it is difficult for her to get enough benefits with good equipment, or even less than other characters, which makes her armor even more wasteful. And Wolfgang can easily approach Wendy's theory of maximum harm. (After Wendy gets the numerically stacked skill tree)

There is an old Chinese saying: The reason for injustice is not what is lacking, but that others can have it but I can't have it.

I usually take a single character to play the whole game as a critical standard for a character, and Wendy is too tired in this process. If it can strengthen her actions to gain benefits and strengthen Abigail's connection with her, instead of making her become 0.75 frequently, I will be very happy. I hope she will not continue to lose more after losing excellent equipment.

I hope I can get the compassion of the designer in this skill tree and get some compensation

After a slow renewal, the cow's presence gradually struggles, and Wendy will often be forced to experience her own 0.75.

[purelove]

This is Wendy's dilemma

[Kwaik]

Wendy is one of the strongest characters in the game before this patch, she will be much stronger after it 

If they made her damage more "stable" it would be an overall nerf it her frustrating players 

 

Aka the only way for them to "fix" this would be in a way Wendy players would not like 

[purelove]

2 minutes ago, Kwaik said:

Wendy is one of the strongest characters in the game before this patch, she will be much stronger after it 

If they made her damage more "stable" it would be an overall nerf it her frustrating players 

 

Aka the only way for them to "fix" this would be in a way Wendy players would not like 

I find it hard to imagine that at the end of 2024, there will still be talk of Wendy as a strong character, which is slightly comical

[Kwaik]

Just now, purelove said:

I find it hard to imagine that at the end of 2024, there will still be talk of Wendy as a strong character, which is slightly comical

It seems after they reworked Wendy's skill tree (after the initial one drew a too of outrage) she's back to being in a very good spot 

[purelove]

2 minutes ago, Kwaik said:

It seems after they reworked Wendy's skill tree (after the initial one drew a too of outrage) she's back to being in a very good spot 

This is just a rough enhancement of the numbers, and even with this rough enhancement of the numbers, you can only beat Wolfgang a little bit when attacking the dummy stake, I don't understand what's wrong with your comprehension?

4 minutes ago, Kwaik said:

It seems after they reworked Wendy's skill tree (after the initial one drew a too of outrage) she's back to being in a very good spot 

In terms of work efficiency, moving speed and molding speed, all aspects have far stronger choices than her, even aoe has Willow, and Wendy has the weakness to deal with shadow monsters, which is not suitable for excellent equipment

[Kwaik]

26 minutes ago, purelove said:

This is just a rough enhancement of the numbers, and even with this rough enhancement of the numbers, you can only beat Wolfgang a little bit when attacking the dummy stake, I don't understand what's wrong with your comprehension?

I'm not sure why beating wolfgang in single target DPS should be the benchmark. Wolfgang should be one of the best in the game at this, as that's really his entire draw. 

Wendy is built around the utility of having Abigail and what she brings to the table 

 

 

[purelove]

1 minute ago, Kwaik said:

I'm not sure why beating wolfgang in single target DPS should be the benchmark. Wolfgang should be one of the best in the game at this, as that's really his entire draw. 

Wendy is built around the utility of having Abigail and what she brings to the table 

 

 

As a pure combat character, even with the rough number increase, she still can't compare to Wolfgang, and her functionality is far inferior to other functional characters, and even worse than Wolfgang, this is my original intention, please do not misinterpret

[Catuna_]

Character comparisons are rather pointless. Comparing her to Wolfgang especially is so pointless as they're extremely distinct characters. That being said, Wendy is not a character who struck me as one in need of such damage and her shadow affinity revolving completely around overtuned damage numbers was extremely underwhelming for me. Not to mention that gestalt Abigail requires little to no management in the slightest.

Whether something needs practice or not to apply in-game doesn't take away from the fact that Wendy reaches absurd numbers that she shouldn't have. Wendy was already plenty rewarded for keeping her sister alive, and this has only become easier and far more rewarding with the skill tree. It has personally takes the fun out of the character for me as I've enjoyed her for the learning curve of keeping Abigail alive which is pretty much completely gone now (though I understand that one singular person's opinion on the tree is not something that Klei should care about).

So to re-cap: Abigail now is much easier to keep alive, Abigail's impact and damage have been significantly amplified. Abigail can be immediately leveled up to level 3, essentially removing the punishment of her dying. What argument is there against tuning down her affinities at that point? I see no reason for Cursed Vexation to not be made exclusive to the Shadowcraft plinth, and I see no reason why Lunar Abigail shouldn't be toned down when she is dealing 100 damage per second all on her own and has the ability to play the game for you.

 

[Echsrick]

3 hours ago, purelove said:

 

In terms of work efficiency, moving speed and molding speed, all aspects have far stronger choices than her

she does NOT NEED TO BE THE BEST OF EVERYTHING, have you considered that for once? no one sould

[erick was right]

Morning glory as stamina for gestalt abigail? 1 morning glory = 30 seconds of gestalt abigail?

[purelove]

7 hours ago, Catuna_ said:

Character comparisons are rather pointless. Comparing her to Wolfgang especially is so pointless as they're extremely distinct characters. That being said, Wendy is not a character who struck me as one in need of such damage and her shadow affinity revolving completely around overtuned damage numbers was extremely underwhelming for me. Not to mention that gestalt Abigail requires little to no management in the slightest.

Whether something needs practice or not to apply in-game doesn't take away from the fact that Wendy reaches absurd numbers that she shouldn't have. Wendy was already plenty rewarded for keeping her sister alive, and this has only become easier and far more rewarding with the skill tree. It has personally takes the fun out of the character for me as I've enjoyed her for the learning curve of keeping Abigail alive which is pretty much completely gone now (though I understand that one singular person's opinion on the tree is not something that Klei should care about).

So to re-cap: Abigail now is much easier to keep alive, Abigail's impact and damage have been significantly amplified. Abigail can be immediately leveled up to level 3, essentially removing the punishment of her dying. What argument is there against tuning down her affinities at that point? I see no reason for Cursed Vexation to not be made exclusive to the Shadowcraft plinth, and I see no reason why Lunar Abigail shouldn't be toned down when she is dealing 100 damage per second all on her own and has the ability to play the game for you.

 

hat's just because this skill tree, this numerical change, is scary, but still far inferior to Wolfgang, and who does Wendy have to compete with?

If anyone does not measure himself by the talents of the outside world, then he is only a mediocrity, a conceited mediocrity.

I'm not saying I have to go above and beyond, but the point of this post is just to show mediocrities who have no idea how hard it is for Wendy to play, how hard it can be

Those who just because they see others have, cry enough, envy others have, and covet to get more for themselves

5 hours ago, Echsrick said:

she does NOT NEED TO BE THE BEST OF EVERYTHING, have you considered that for once? no one sould

You don't need to be the best, but you prevent others from being better and even distort their meaning.

5 hours ago, Cosiek said:

Morning glory as stamina for gestalt abigail? 1 morning glory = 30 seconds of gestalt abigail?

Oh, yeah, Wolfgang's maintenance stamina should be changed to the need to reuse fitness supplements in order to fit in with the process of building huge muscles

[Echsrick]

ok, next update, everyone gets wolfgang damage by default, is it that what you want?

[Kwaik]

1 hour ago, Echsrick said:

ok, next update, everyone gets wolfgang damage by default, is it that what you want?

I mean Wendy can't summon as many ghosts as maxwell 

 

So maybe she should be able to summon 5 Abigails? And they all need to be able to do as much damage as Wolfgang 

[Mysterious box]

11 hours ago, purelove said:

As a pure combat character, even with the rough number increase, she still can't compare to Wolfgang, and her functionality is far inferior to other functional characters, and even worse than Wolfgang, this is my original intention, please do not misinterpret

This just isn't true but if you truly want her to compete with Wolfgang's dps either Wolfgang should get better aoe damage options or Wendy should lose her aoe damage she shouldn't get to be the best at both.

[Sacco]

At the end of the day that's what most of wendy's players wanted, a new Wolfgang who can destroy everything and doesn't have to do anything to gain power.

At this point i'm fine with it, make get broken, give abi kore damage and increase damage amplification of wendy to +60% instead of +40% and double it while on a beefalo cause why not.

That's what people want and that's what has to be delivered for them.

And if you do not want to be op just don't use the skill tree or plat wes!!!!!!!!!

[Peasant]

6 hours ago, Sacco said:

At the end of the day that's what most of wendy's players wanted, a new Wolfgang who can destroy everything and doesn't have to do anything to gain power.

At this point i'm fine with it, make get broken, give abi kore damage and increase damage amplification of wendy to +60% instead of +40% and double it while on a beefalo cause why not.

That's what people want and that's what has to be delivered for them.

And if you do not want to be op just don't use the skill tree or plat wes!!!!!!!!!

It's rather a comedy to see this before seeing your complainment

I don't think comparing Wendy to potato man would make your point sounds convincing. The instability itself is though a restrict to Wendy, it is also the point that you play Wendy. If you have good skills, you get more damage as a reward. It's just that in post rift circumstances, this instability become more of a problem cause you can seldom gain any benefit from it.

[Lardee]

I really really hope Klei does not balance Wendy around Wolfgang.

It's okay if some characters are just not as strong as others.

[Sacco]

3 hours ago, YXukun said:

It's rather a comedy to see this before seeing your complainment

I don't think comparing Wendy to potato man would make your point sounds convincing. The instability itself is though a restrict to Wendy, it is also the point that you play Wendy. If you have good skills, you get more damage as a reward. It's just that in post rift circumstances, this instability become more of a problem cause you can seldom gain any benefit from it.

Abigail gets buffed with potions post rift...

[purelove]

1 hour ago, Lardee said:

I really really hope Klei does not balance Wendy around Wolfgang.

It's okay if some characters are just not as strong as others.

However, in fact, what the skill tree does is what everyone does not want to happen, and the value is roughly increased, but in fact, even after such a rough increase, it still lags behind some roles, it does not get other functions to make up for it, and it is still full of weaknesses, and these low-skill forum users really think aoe is an indispensable thing. Gain is the ability of monsters. They're either stupid or bad

[Peasant]

42 minutes ago, Sacco said:

Abigail gets buffed with potions post rift...

I was refering to situation before the skilltree. Besides, post rift potions merely give Abigail bigger numbers, while her vulnerablility still lies there, which is the reason why people can seldom gain benefit from her.

[purelove]

Actions speak louder than words, and all players who think Wendy is a simple character should use her to challenge the game's full-course boss single-handedly

[Peasant]

3 minutes ago, purelove said:

However, in fact, what the skill tree does is what everyone does not want to happen, and the value is roughly increased, but in fact, even after such a rough increase, it still lags behind some roles

It's quite normal being dealing less damage than potato man, you just cannot make a compare like this. Wendy is more like Wigfrid, or Wanda, the former deals less damage than potato man, but still a good combat character, the later requires high skill, and provides high damage as a reward.

[purelove]

4 minutes ago, YXukun said:

It's quite normal being dealing less damage than potato man, you just cannot make a compare like this. Wendy is more like Wigfrid, or Wanda, the former deals less damage than potato man, but still a good combat character, the later requires high skill, and provides high damage as a reward.

Because what I'm trying to say is that he doesn't have a lot of interesting extra features, just adds combat ability to the skill tree, and even if it adds combat ability, it still won't be able to beat Wolfgang in real combat.

She has a weakness for shadow equipment, a weakness for dealing with shadow monsters, and a weakness for handling difficulty.

That's what I meant.

[Peasant]

10 minutes ago, purelove said:

Because what I'm trying to say is that he doesn't have a lot of interesting extra features, just adds combat ability to the skill tree, and even if it adds combat ability, it still won't be able to beat Wolfgang in real combat.

She has a weakness for shadow equipment, a weakness for dealing with shadow monsters, and a weakness for handling difficulty.

That's what I meant.

You don't have to beat potato man in dealing damage. If you mean that "current skilltree provided nothing other than big numbers, so it's still bad" then just say so. Bringing potato man into conversation would make you look like you want Wendy surpass potato man in damage.