Wendy players need a more interesting skill tree than another Wolfgang.

[Mr Giggio]

1 hour ago, cyjs said:

So I suggest deleting Wendy's skill tree, a whole refactoring of it. Since no one is satisfied, it’s better to give up.

you the one that is the most unsatisfied ever in the history of this update, I can see you everywhere

[cyjs]

Just now, Mr Giggio said:

you the one that is the most unsatisfied ever in the history of this update, I can see you everywhere

You should be lucky that it's me and not some crazier people. The Chinese community has reached the limit of its patience with this year's update.

[zzzzzzzzzzz]

5分钟前，Giggio先生说：

你是这次更新史上最不满意的人，我到处都能看到你

He is not the only one who is most dissatisfied, but all the real Wendy players.

[Mr Giggio]

15 minutes ago, cyjs said:

You should be lucky that it's me and not some crazier people. The Chinese community has reached the limit of its patience with this year's update.

Patience? About what? The free update that u guys getting that they trying their best to make it pleasing for everyone? Wow. Try respect, it solves this anger issues about a 2D character so u dont cross the line. 

[RexySeven]

I'm so tired of seeing "Klei should listen to us because we bring them most amount of money" argument lately.
 

[arubaro]

49 minutes ago, cyjs said:

The game won't be updated without revenue, and we provide most of the revenue. Klei's performance this year was not good. In the second half of the year, endless bugs flooded the game and have not yet been fixed. I don’t want to argue with you either because your words won’t change anything. If you really care about klei, then you should realize that dissatisfaction exists objectively

The average salary in China varies depending on the city and industry. As of 2024, the average salary in Mainland China is above ¥350,000, which equates to approximately $50,400 USD per year (pre-tax). However, the average salary in 38 Chinese cities was $1,430 USD per month in Q2 2023.

More people doesnt really means more revenue if comes from countries with lower salaries or from communities that waste their money on unoficial skins from modders that dont respect copyright.

Maybe they should only listen to Finland, dont you think?

Only they know where the money comes

Buying a cheap game in sales doesnt make your feeback better. If anything you and everybody that is acting as irrational as you just proves how companies shouldnt listen to many groups of players when it comes to balance. Less when that communities are constantly using menaces 

[cyjs]

42 minutes ago, arubaro said:

The average salary in China varies depending on the city and industry. As of 2024, the average salary in Mainland China is above ¥350,000, which equates to approximately $50,400 USD per year (pre-tax). However, the average salary in 38 Chinese cities was $1,430 USD per month in Q2 2023.

More people doesnt really means more revenue if comes from countries with lower salaries or from communities that waste their money on unoficial skins from modders that dont respect copyright.

Maybe they should only listen to Finland, dont you think?

Only they know where the money comes

Buying a cheap game in sales doesnt make your feeback better. If anything you and everybody that is acting as irrational as you just proves how companies shouldnt listen to many groups of players when it comes to balance. Less when that communities are constantly using menaces 

It's a pity that Mr. Arubaro didn't find the correct information.He doesn't even know how to look up information

[arubaro]

11 minutes ago, cyjs said:

It's a pity that Mr. Arubaro didn't find the correct information.He doesn't even know how to look up information

Enlight me

[MarcoReverie]

Hi. Every day I’m checking the news about Wendy’s skill tree. I’d like to share some sugesstions that I consider important. But, since there are a lot of discution about if Wendy is OP, weak, main, for skilled or newbies, etc., I should say I’am novice with Wendy and I don’t even finish DST. But I love the game and play at least every weekend.

After clarifying the above, I believe Wendy’s skill tree could be mainly have skills for utility and, in second instance, on offensive/defensive (O/D), using mourning glories as raw material and focus more in O/D for Wendy instead Abigail.

First, my assumption about a skill tree (based on other games) is that the skills mainly help the player (character) to easily achieve the game goal, but there are not primordial or necesary to end the game. Second, often the skills are related to the character personality or background, and some of those could be additional instead only O/D. E.g., Wendy likes art, so a skill could be paint for increase sanity.

I’ll try to resume my suggestions by main type of skill:

GRAVES
First, I know “Final resting place?” is useful but I feel is not according with Wendy’s personality. In the fandom says Wendy has a skull in the game files. So, thats why I strongly believe Wendy could have a skill for being a grave keeper and bury bone shards for make graves renewables.
In addition, according to the fandom Wendy has skills on spiritualism, despite she failed to revive her twin (because she died under mysterious circumstances), maybe now she can be able to revive any one else by using a Green grave and telltale heart or candles and a spirit board. 
My sugesstion is: Craft a green grave site able for resurrection to any character, that requires a telltale heart bury inside by one player, and activating by haunting. These graves will spawn a randomized number of Evil Flowers growing near them. “An animation of the characters bursting out of the grave like a horror film will be cool.”
•    Materials: Living Logs x4, Mourning Glory x4, Shovel x1.
•    Resources after use. Log x1, Nightmare fuel x1. 

DARK PETALS
In addition to convert petals to dark petals (which is consistent with Wendy), she should be able to perform basic magic (magic herbology), since she is Maxwell’s nieces, at least farming nightmare fuel from dark petals. And, combining magic with ectoherbology (ectoherbology lab), she (I insist) could be able to craft new potions, similar to mad scientist lab, but based on plants. 

VENGEFUL GHOST
In addition to this skill, there should be an addtional skill to craft an elixir to activate again the vengeful ghost on one ghost character (combat/army ghost). 

STRONG BREW
In addition to the current skills, there should be a skill to use two elixirs on Abigail (Twinxirs) and new elixirs with temporary elemental effects like burning, freezing, ligthning, shadow (to fight agains shadows) or enlightenment (to fight agains gestalts). 

PIPSPOOK QUEST
I sugesst only two skill points for this. Merge pipspook quest I and II and keep the pipspook quest III.

TEAM SPIRIT
Regarding team spirit skills, I would like to have a new way to explore, something like using Abigail to fly around in invisible mode while Wendy stays inmobilized. The link will break if Wendy is attacked or damaged and Abigail will return to her flower.

As a novice, I don't like when Abigail dies while fighting a big boss. Now, we have a way to retreat Abigail into the sisturn as a way to protect her.

But, maybe there could be an Elixir or a new mechanism for a long distance attack for Abigail, something like an ectoplasmic projectile.

BLESSED SISTURN

For this, I would love to have a Sisturn with light (when full), at the same time this improves Abigail light (fits good in Blessed Sisturn II). Also, a Sisturn that healing (something like 4/min) will be cool.

SHADOW AND LUNAR

As I said, I'm not enough experience for this skills.

P. S.

Before Beta, this was my design for Wendy skill tree. Just sharing cause I like the flower shape conception. Hope klei consider this, but that is vanity. 

[RozeMeteor]

2 hours ago, RexySeven said:

I'm so tired of seeing "Klei should listen to us because we bring them most amount of money" argument lately.
 

This, everbody play the same game.. If you buyed something else to suport them that's on you, you didn't had the obligation to suport nor the right to come here atack the devs freely with subtle threats.

[Mr Giggio]

2 hours ago, MarcoReverie said:

Hi. Every day I’m checking the news about Wendy’s skill tree. I’d like to share some sugesstions that I consider important. But, since there are a lot of discution about if Wendy is OP, weak, main, for skilled or newbies, etc., I should say I’am novice with Wendy and I don’t even finish DST. But I love the game and play at least every weekend.

After clarifying the above, I believe Wendy’s skill tree could be mainly have skills for utility and, in second instance, on offensive/defensive (O/D), using mourning glories as raw material and focus more in O/D for Wendy instead Abigail.

First, my assumption about a skill tree (based on other games) is that the skills mainly help the player (character) to easily achieve the game goal, but there are not primordial or necesary to end the game. Second, often the skills are related to the character personality or background, and some of those could be additional instead only O/D. E.g., Wendy likes art, so a skill could be paint for increase sanity.

I’ll try to resume my suggestions by main type of skill:

GRAVES
First, I know “Final resting place?” is useful but I feel is not according with Wendy’s personality. In the fandom says Wendy has a skull in the game files. So, thats why I strongly believe Wendy could have a skill for being a grave keeper and bury bone shards for make graves renewables.
In addition, according to the fandom Wendy has skills on spiritualism, despite she failed to revive her twin (because she died under mysterious circumstances), maybe now she can be able to revive any one else by using a Green grave and telltale heart or candles and a spirit board. 
My sugesstion is: Craft a green grave site able for resurrection to any character, that requires a telltale heart bury inside by one player, and activating by haunting. These graves will spawn a randomized number of Evil Flowers growing near them. “An animation of the characters bursting out of the grave like a horror film will be cool.”
•    Materials: Living Logs x4, Mourning Glory x4, Shovel x1.
•    Resources after use. Log x1, Nightmare fuel x1. 

DARK PETALS
In addition to convert petals to dark petals (which is consistent with Wendy), she should be able to perform basic magic (magic herbology), since she is Maxwell’s nieces, at least farming nightmare fuel from dark petals. And, combining magic with ectoherbology (ectoherbology lab), she (I insist) could be able to craft new potions, similar to mad scientist lab, but based on plants. 

VENGEFUL GHOST
In addition to this skill, there should be an addtional skill to craft an elixir to activate again the vengeful ghost on one ghost character (combat/army ghost). 

STRONG BREW
In addition to the current skills, there should be a skill to use two elixirs on Abigail (Twinxirs) and new elixirs with temporary elemental effects like burning, freezing, ligthning, shadow (to fight agains shadows) or enlightenment (to fight agains gestalts). 

PIPSPOOK QUEST
I sugesst only two skill points for this. Merge pipspook quest I and II and keep the pipspook quest III.

TEAM SPIRIT
Regarding team spirit skills, I would like to have a new way to explore, something like using Abigail to fly around in invisible mode while Wendy stays inmobilized. The link will break if Wendy is attacked or damaged and Abigail will return to her flower.

As a novice, I don't like when Abigail dies while fighting a big boss. Now, we have a way to retreat Abigail into the sisturn as a way to protect her.

But, maybe there could be an Elixir or a new mechanism for a long distance attack for Abigail, something like an ectoplasmic projectile.

BLESSED SISTURN

For this, I would love to have a Sisturn with light (when full), at the same time this improves Abigail light (fits good in Blessed Sisturn II). Also, a Sisturn that healing (something like 4/min) will be cool.

SHADOW AND LUNAR

As I said, I'm not enough experience for this skills.

P. S.

Before Beta, this was my design for Wendy skill tree. Just sharing cause I like the flower shape conception. Hope klei consider this, but that is vanity. 

Dude you have a sick point of view but u quite equivocate about where u posting. Create a post and Copy and paste this coment u did in the Beta Branch so you can reach more people without being lost in an already going topic with another conversations, we can start one about your skill tree there.

[MarcoReverie]

19 minutes ago, Mr Giggio said:

Dude you have a sick point of view but u quite equivocate about where u posting. Create a post and Copy and paste this coment u did in the Beta Branch so you can reach more people without being lost in an already going topic with another conversations, we can start one about your skill tree there.

My apologies, dude. English is not my native lenguaje and I just feel enthusiastic about Wendy skill tree. I'll try to manage my thoughts.

[Mr Giggio]

44 minutes ago, MarcoReverie said:

My apologies, dude. English is not my native lenguaje and I just feel enthusiastic about Wendy skill tree. I'll try to manage my thoughts.

Its all right buddy. Just a friendly heads up. 

[RussoDaFederal]

On 12/3/2024 at 7:33 AM, Mr Giggio said:

Watching bosses die due a bot should never be a thing.

Ok at first I wasn't convinced but this other dude in another post was so obnoxious about this point that it made me realize, yeah, gestalt Abi really needs to be reworked. I'm glad Jason from Klei said they're already looking into it. Just wanted to say that I changed my mind on this topic and thank you for helping me see it.

[Peasant]

13 hours ago, arubaro said:

More people doesnt really means more revenue if comes from countries with lower salaries or from communities that waste their money on unoficial skins from modders that dont respect copyright.

In case you don't know, the Chinese community generally are against unofficial skins, but they cannot simply dox those people and visit them with a nice punching cause it's against the law.

13 hours ago, arubaro said:

The average salary in China varies depending on the city and industry. As of 2024, the average salary in Mainland China is above ¥350,000, which equates to approximately $50,400 USD per year (pre-tax). However, the average salary in 38 Chinese cities was $1,430 USD per month in Q2 2023.

And, forgive me but I fail to see the connection between average salary and how much klei earned from chinese players. Bolder's Gate 3 had 40% (or was it 30%) of its sales come from the chinese players, in Elden Ring's case it's 25%. If you want to refute his point you should list how much % klei earns from each country.

[Peasant]

14 hours ago, Mr Giggio said:

Patience? About what? The free update that u guys getting that they trying their best to make it pleasing for everyone? Wow. Try respect, it solves this anger issues about a 2D character so u dont cross the line. 

My Dear Fellow…Klei isn't doing the updates for Free, it's a company that aims to profit, not aims to do Charity. It's a customer-producer relation, so don't feel so…I dunno, like people owe klei for these updates? You paid for it, I paid for it, everyone playing the game paid for it, and everyone have a right to express their dissatisfaction.

[Mr Giggio]

7 minutes ago, YXukun said:

My Dear Fellow…Klei isn't doing the updates for Free, it's a company that aims to profit, not aims to do Charity. It's a customer-producer relation, so don't feel so…I dunno, like people owe klei for these updates? You paid for it, I paid for it, everyone playing the game paid for it, and everyone have a right to express their dissatisfaction.

no one is obligating you to buy anything stop being ridiculous

[whiteking]

15 minutes ago, Mr Giggio said:

no one is obligating you to buy anything stop being ridiculous

lol
You did not spend money on the game, so you are not qualified to comment.
You spent money on the game, but I didn't force you to buy it. You bought the game voluntarily, so even if you bought it, you are not eligible to comment.

[Peasant]

12 minutes ago, Mr Giggio said:

no one is obligating you to buy anything stop being ridiculous

I never said anything related to…what, being obigated to buy anything??? Sorry but I dont quite understand what's your point…

[Echsrick]

34 minutes ago, Mr Giggio said:

no one is obligating you to buy anything stop being ridiculous

i dont think anyone is gettin anywhere

[Mr Giggio]

8 minutes ago, Echsrick said:

i dont think anyone is gettin anywhere

Im speechless about it just decided to not go any further its just a lost case.

[Sacco]

Saying that because you have more vocal importance just because you spend more money on a game is probably the most braindead game topic, the same as saying a game needs to make a certain culture happy...

People have to realize that the world just doesn't work only for them, but we live in a society (funny meme inserted) and we have to listen to other's opinions and respect their own view on the case.

Don't agree with them, then make an argument and argue with them but please don't say random things to just prove you are right.

You are not gaining anything from winning a stupid argument under a post with a couple of people.

Do you wake up the next day and tell yourself "ah yes, i won an useless argument, i'm so cool". If so then BRUHHHHH, you are pretty funny.

[RexySeven]

14 hours ago, RozeMeteor said:

This, everbody play the same game.. If you buyed something else to suport them that's on you, you didn't had the obligation to suport nor the right to come here atack the devs freely with subtle threats.

These threats were anything but subtle tbh.
From saying that Klei needing to fire developers, completely rework skill tree and endorsing monetary boycott over this update.

Excuse me, but that only makes Chinese side of DST community seem like an entitled spoiled child that throws tantrum over most basic inconveniences. Using these threats to enforce change to games is very unhealthy for both devs and the community alike with the added danger of this method becoming a norm in the future.

I know there's a lot of people who dissatisfied with the skill tree but this is simply ridiculous. I yet to understand what is wrong with her skill tree because it's completely in-line with other official rather plain skill trees filled with straight buffs with no cost, QoL and random features. 

[zzzzzzzzzzz]

说白了就是语言的问题，大家没办法表达的特别清楚。但凡能好好对接下这边，我们都不至于这样

[Lee lol]

35 分钟前，RexySeven 说：

这些威胁绝非微妙的 tbh。
从说 Klei 需要解雇开发人员，到完全重做技能树，到支持对此次更新的金钱抵制。

对不起，但这只会让 DST 社区的中国方面看起来像一个被宠坏的孩子，对大多数基本的不便发脾气。使用这些威胁来强制更改游戏对开发人员和社区来说都是非常不健康的，而且这种方法在未来可能会成为常态。

我知道有很多人对技能树不满意，但这简直太荒谬了。我还不明白她的技能树有什么问题，因为它与其他官方的相当简单的技能树完全一致，充满了直接的增益，没有成本，QoL和随机功能。

Her skill tree is only slightly better than Wolfgang and Wigfrid's, the latter two being some of the most boring skill trees in my opinion.