Thoughts on wendy's changes from the dev stream

[TabbyTheNeko]

Seriously happy with these changes. obviously there's still some skill that are missing or have been removed so that they may be reworked.

Based on the stream, it seems like the direction is to have the grave beautification be a decent source of nightmare fuel via converting the dark petals. All i have to say is that I think having one of those grave skill allow wendy to not have her sanity affected by the evil flowers so that is a different, safer way for wendy to collect nightmare fuel, since abigail doesn't help with the nightmares at all.

Secondly, I think a skill that would let abigail have some damage reduction outside of planar defense, in a similar vain to how the flower shroud was going to be changed before it was updated. Maybe something that lets abigail only recieve a portion of the armor value that wendy has. So like for example, if wendy is wearing a football helmet or a log suit that gives 80% damage reduction, abigail would get half that, for 40% damage reduction. That way abigail gets more survivability without it being as insane as her getting the full benefit of the armor.

Other than that, i still think it would be nice for a skill to allow two elixir effects (besides the super elixirs) to be active at once. Maybe its as far in the tree as the final elixir perk after the double crafting one. And maybe goobigail's attack could pierce a little. Like just have a very very small aoe. I first thought that having a piercing goobigail would be way to strong when i thought she always did 400 damage, but now that i know that she does 150 most of the time I feel that it would be reasonable for her attack to pierce a little.

The two elixir effects at once and the piercing goobigail attack is more just wishful thinking. I think even with just the first two additions i proposed wendy's skill tree would be pretty good.

Maybe give her haunt ability a lower cooldown though. doubt many people will use it if you have to wait 5 seconds to try haunting again.

But yeah i think its great.

Very excited for how it will turn out once the update is fully in place and it comes to public!

Great work!

Edit: Saw someone in the chat and the question was answered in the stream, but if abigail gets the mob tag removed so that she doesn't take double damage (or sometimes even more depending on what attack it is) from bosses then the partial armor skill i mentioned doesn't need to be added. 

[Soul7k]

17 minutes ago, TabbyTheNeko said:

Edit: Saw someone in the chat and the question was answered in the stream, but if abigail gets the mob tag removed so that she doesn't take double damage (or sometimes even more depending on what attack it is) from bosses then the partial armor skill i mentioned doesn't need to be added. 

I wish this was also done for Bernie

To be honest i wish they kept the flower outfit that would have shared helmet with Abigail over another 300 hp. It takes quite a while to charge 300 to begin with and now it is 600.

[TabbyTheNeko]

6 minutes ago, Soul7k said:

I wish this was also done for Bernie

To be honest i wish they kept the flower outfit that would have shared helmet with Abigail over another 300 hp. It takes quite a while to charge 300 to begin with and now it is 600.

While i haven't personally played the beta and used the temporary hp thing, I don't think ill mind. I often spend a decent amount of time at base so setting abigal to chill there when im hanging out won't be a big deal.

That does make me think that that skill should also add an ability to her wheel that lets you call abigail from the sisturn instead of having to walk over to the sisturn and grab her.

Just something like "Call from Sisturn" so that she can float over to you when you're done having her sit there.

[purelove]

9 minutes ago, Soul7k said:

I wish this was also done for Bernie

I wanted Wendy to get two sisters, and when one of them died, she could instantly reanimate one of them with full blood for a cheap price, and with over 2000 health, and possibly more, and she could have counter-damage without collecting and crafting, and attract the Shadow Monster's hatred, and make it fit Dreadstone, And her mind control is perfectly suited to her acquired Pettigrew powers

[TabbyTheNeko]

1 minute ago, purelove said:

I wanted Wendy to get two sisters, and when one of them died, she could instantly reanimate one of them with full blood for a cheap price, and with over 2000 health, and possibly more, and she could have counter-damage without collecting and crafting, and attract the Shadow Monster's hatred, and make it fit Dreadstone, And her mind control is perfectly suited to her acquired Pettigrew powers

what are you on about?

[purelove]

1 minute ago, TabbyTheNeko said:

what are you on about?

Or Abigail can be summoned indefinitely, each time full of blood, and no cost, and each monster attack Abigail has a damage limit so that she can not deal all damage, and Abigail should learn the power of relative Maxwell, so that her sister can work at the same time, or learn Woody, who also has an axe, to gain night vision, Start immediately by looking for Moon Island crafting equipment, or some other cheating skill.

3 minutes ago, TabbyTheNeko said:

what are you on about?

Oh, please don't get mad, I'm just legitimately discussing the abilities of normal characters in the game, just like you're discussing Wendy's aoe abilities

[TabbyTheNeko]

Just now, purelove said:

Or Abigail can be summoned indefinitely, each time full of blood, and no cost, and each monster attack Abigail has a damage limit so that she can not deal all damage, and Abigail should learn the power of relative Maxwell, so that her sister can work at the same time, or learn Woody, who also has an axe, to gain night vision, Start immediately by looking for Moon Island crafting equipment, or some other cheating skill.

your username is quite ironic with how much you seem to hate others having fun. Is this all you do? mock people with strawmen on these forums?

[purelove]

4 minutes ago, TabbyTheNeko said:

your username is quite ironic with how much you seem to hate others having fun. Is this all you do? mock people with strawmen on these forums?

Funny, ironic point is, you said I don't let other characters have fun, and I just cited Wendy compared to other characters where the fun is not happy, and you actually think I am denigrating other characters, really is the funniest joke, ha ha ha, I will keep all screenshots of this post, very funny

[TabbyTheNeko]

2 minutes ago, purelove said:

Funny, ironic point is, you said I don't let other characters have fun, and I just cited Wendy compared to other characters where the fun is not happy, and you actually think I am denigrating other characters, really is the funniest joke, ha ha ha, I will keep all screenshots of this post, very funny

i said literally nothing of the sort. i hope you have a good laugh looking at those screenshots. it would be quite sad if you were to go through all this effort trolling and not even have fun doing it.

[purelove]

5 minutes ago, TabbyTheNeko said:

i said literally nothing of the sort. i hope you have a good laugh looking at those screenshots. it would be quite sad if you were to go through all this effort trolling and not even have fun doing it.

No, the other characters have nothing to do with Wendy, just like Wendy has nothing to do with the other characters, and I'm just borrowing the other characters to try to tell you what Wendy is like, and I enjoy playing Wendy, but if there's an opportunity to make it easier for me to play Wendy, I'm not going to pass up that opportunity, that's all, because what I say about the other characters, It doesn't weaken the other characters because it's a survival game, you know?  I just hope Wendy doesn't limit the maker ideas she should get just because everyone is talking about her being t0.  I mean no harm to anyone, forgive me

7 minutes ago, TabbyTheNeko said:

i said literally nothing of the sort. i hope you have a good laugh looking at those screenshots. it would be quite sad if you were to go through all this effort trolling and not even have fun doing it.

I actually need to have this group of people, because without me, it will only make the producers can not fully play their creativity,

but to satisfy the players who think Wendy is strong, and limit their creativity, I hope the producers can give full play to the creativity, change the wrong perception, and correctly stimulate the creativity, I'm sorry, brother

[Soul7k]

31 minutes ago, TabbyTheNeko said:

While i haven't personally played the beta and used the temporary hp thing, I don't think ill mind. I often spend a decent amount of time at base so setting abigal to chill there when im hanging out won't be a big deal.

That does make me think that that skill should also add an ability to her wheel that lets you call abigail from the sisturn instead of having to walk over to the sisturn and grab her.

Just something like "Call from Sisturn" so that she can float over to you when you're done having her sit there.

summoning from the sisturn could be nice or an increased speed in health gain from the 2 perks. My only thing is once it's gone it's gone and depending on what you are doing that could be quite fast

[IAmAFurrz]

i tried her skills out a bit, and tried to use the 'attack at' thing but it just doesnt make abi STAY there for when there is nothing to attack where the command was inputted

honestly if they made it so she would STAYYYYY in 1 specific spot and run to whatever im attacking occassionally for either the gestalt skill or the vex dmg multiplier thatd be great, instead of just fighting without abi since she does not exist against AOE for even a minute (since devs are making bosses have blind spots behind them, this can be a wonderful and simple adjustment for a skill that i THOUGHT was cool but actually was only useful for when boss spams minions to keep abi distracted)

[Huijing]

1 hour ago, purelove said:

I wanted Wendy to get two sisters, and when one of them died, she could instantly reanimate one of them with full blood for a cheap price, and with over 2000 health, and possibly more, and she could have counter-damage without collecting and crafting, and attract the Shadow Monster's hatred, and make it fit Dreadstone, And her mind control is perfectly suited to her acquired Pettigrew powers

Abigail is unique to Wendy, both in the story and in the game, she is Wendy's closest relative, not an entourage, and should not be split into two.

[purelove]

3 minutes ago, Huijing said:

Abigail is unique to Wendy, both in the story and in the game, she is Wendy's closest relative, not an entourage, and should not be split into two.

I strongly agree

[Soul7k]

12 minutes ago, Huijing said:

Abigail is unique to Wendy, both in the story and in the game, she is Wendy's closest relative, not an entourage, and should not be split into two.

I am fairly certain it was a condescending statement in response to me not wanting bosses to do double damage to Bernie and Abigail